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Deltadan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Alright, I have given pretty much all of the main modes their due (with the exception of VR as I don't have a headeset) and I think I'm ready to deliver my final thoughts.

Heavy spoilers for all parts of the game

I enjoyed the story well enough, but I felt like some aspects of it could have been expanded upon. For example, I kinda wish you spent more time with the penal unit and I wished they developed the characters in there more, before they were killed off.

As for your main wingman, Count, I actually really like him in the later missions when his more snarky/sardonic personality starts to shine through.

I also feel like the enemy ace was poorly fleshed out. I mean he sounds cool and says cool things, but I don't know anything about him at the end of the day other than he is a good fighter pilot and has two daughters. One of which happens to be Homura for some reason. I wonder if she was the one rewinding time every time my pilot bit the dust 🤔. Anyways, I feel if they just spent a little more time fleshing him out and explaining his motivations a little more thoroughly he could have been one of the top enemy aces in the series for sure.

There also should have been more enemy aces, but maybe I was spoiled by AC 0.

In addition, I agree with whoever in this thread argued that it needed a "Gimmick" mission. Maybe you have to fly a passenger jet or maybe you could go into space like AC 3.

Multiplayer feels oddly bare-bones, Its missing so many modes from previous games. It doesn't even have coop missions, which I would argue are some of the most fun missions to play in Ace Combat multiplayer. Its also not very well balanced at higher tiers.

As far as things I like; I like the weather system, I like how varied the missions are, and I like the feeling of flight in this game.

I also love the music in this game. Somehow Keiki Kobayashi manages to deliver another stellar soundtrack that manages to have its own identity, while also being able to pay homage to previous games.

I like the challenge present in the game, though maybe it was too much given how much players seem to be struggling (I played on normal for reference). Hell even I struggled for about an hour on missions 6, 11, 19, 20.

At normal, the campaign is about 10 hours which is pretty solid for a single player game. And as I've stated this previously in this thread, I did really like the Arsenal Bird fight (despite my struggles with it) as well as the music that plays during it.

VR sounds cool from what I hear, but I cant play it so I don't know how it is myself.

Overall I did enjoy my time with it, but I hope it gets post launch support to fill out the game a bit more. Maybe have Infinity style updates for the multiplayer to flesh it out a bit.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'm in the market for a flight stick myself, and have been doing some research into this. Whether you're on PS4 or Xbox One, there are "only" 2 official flight stick options for AC7 at the moment.

What's available are the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 / One Flight Stick and the Hori Ace Combat Flight Stick. If you want good PC compatibility for games like Elite Dangerous or War Thunder, then your best choice is the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 / One. The Hori AC Flight Stick, while aesthetically pleasing to look at, is not that great.

Looks aside, the Hori is detected on PC as a gamepad/controller, and not as a proper flight stick; the throttle won't work like it should. Unless Hori makes an updated Windows driver or you want to play with PC controller remapping, I would recommend passing on it for that reason alone.

Here are two Reddit posts on the Hori, which were informative.

Hori Review 1
Hori Review 2

Cost wise, the Thrustmaster goes for around $80, and the Hori retails for $200. At the moment, Best Buy has the Thrustmaster currently on sale for $56.99, but it's been as low as $35. And if you were gaming on PC exclusively, you could buy a far better flight stick/throttle setup what the Hori costs.

Beyond that on console, there is potentially the option of picking up a converter device like the CronusMAX Plus or the Titan Two in tandem with a better PC compatible flight stick/controller, and attempting to make that setup work on your console of choice.

Not AC7, but here's someone on YouTube who took a CronusMAX Plus and an old PlayStation One dual analog joystick, and made it work with RIGS for PSVR.




I wish there were more choices, and this route might be the solution for what I'm looking for (a good console/PC combo).


Thanks! Much appreciated. I'm considering buying one just exclusively for PC, so I guess I will have to take a look at some of the other options that are available as well.

edit: The Logitech X52 looks like a good choice as well, might go with that.
 
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Tortillo VI

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May 27, 2018
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I will eventually do a machine gun only run for the medal. Was wondering what the best plane would be for this objective. I guess the best fighter I have, with parts to make the gun more powerful.

Still, it will be rough.
 

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Is there VR free flight mode? Sorry if this has been asked a million times; I can't play my copy until tomorrow at the earliest.
 

Datrael

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finished the campaign yesterday and unlocked the
X-02S. The EML is friggin OP in MP. One hit kill...

I enjoyed the campaign a lot, had some poor story telling some times and left me with some questions regarding Trigger mostly but oh well.

Some bullshit moments during the game too like

The mission where you gotta escort that plane and protect it from a huge load of hidden SAMs.... ughhhhhhh

The first annihilation mission where you gotta get 17K points. Did not manage to beat it until I farmed for the F22 raptor online.

TOO MANY DRONES. Darnit.

Very little bosses or memorable moments maybe?

Once you finish the campaign, you can use skins and emblems in single player. I wonder how to spawn the named pilots, only managed to spawn one and don't know how.
My main complaint is that Allied AI is nonexistent. I feel completely alone in this game. They don't do anything, ever. Just talk.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Finished the campaign yesterday and unlocked the
X-02S. The EML is friggin OP in MP. One hit kill...

I enjoyed the campaign a lot, had some poor story telling some times and left me with some questions regarding Trigger mostly but oh well.

Some bullshit moments during the game too like

The mission where you gotta escort that plane and protect it from a huge load of hidden SAMs.... ughhhhhhh

The first annihilation mission where you gotta get 17K points. Did not manage to beat it until I farmed for the F22 raptor online.

TOO MANY DRONES. Darnit.

Very little bosses or memorable moments maybe?

Once you finish the campaign, you can use skins and emblems in single player. I wonder how to spawn the named pilots, only managed to spawn one and don't know how.
My main complaint is that Allied AI is nonexistent. I feel completely alone in this game. They don't do anything, ever. Just talk.
Wiki has a guide for the Aces.
 

SmartWaffles

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Nov 15, 2017
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Finished the campaign yesterday and unlocked the
X-02S. The EML is friggin OP in MP. One hit kill...

I enjoyed the campaign a lot, had some poor story telling some times and left me with some questions regarding Trigger mostly but oh well.

Some bullshit moments during the game too like

The mission where you gotta escort that plane and protect it from a huge load of hidden SAMs.... ughhhhhhh

The first annihilation mission where you gotta get 17K points. Did not manage to beat it until I farmed for the F22 raptor online.

TOO MANY DRONES. Darnit.

Very little bosses or memorable moments maybe?

Once you finish the campaign, you can use skins and emblems in single player. I wonder how to spawn the named pilots, only managed to spawn one and don't know how.
My main complaint is that Allied AI is nonexistent. I feel completely alone in this game. They don't do anything, ever. Just talk.
17K in Mission 6 is really easy if you get the A-10C, or use either F-14D/Mig-29A's AOE anti ground weapons, finish ground attacks as soon as you can and then focus on air.
The game doesn't lack epic moments though. The first time Arsenal Bird shows up, all 3 boss fights with Mister X, fighting Arsenal Bird alongside Stonehenge and the final boss battle.
 

Valkerion

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Oct 29, 2017
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I've seen the AI attack things in a barrage of missiles but never actually take anything out. Feels like some targets just disappear as the mission moves on.
 

Datrael

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Oct 25, 2017
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17K in Mission 6 is really easy if you get the A-10C, or use either F-14D/Mig-29A's AOE anti ground weapons, finish ground attacks as soon as you can and then focus on air.
The game doesn't lack epic moments though. The first time Arsenal Bird shows up, all 3 boss fights with Mister X, fighting Arsenal Bird alongside Stonehenge and the final boss battle.
I had no problems once I got the F-22.

I had no problems in any other mission of the game, in fact. Just a couple retries in some of them due to my errors, but that's it.

And yeah, the epic moments are epic, but IDK. I just wanted more. I loved the game overall. Felt really badass a lot of the time. The last 2 missions were Star Wars worthy lol.
 

Skyball Paint

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Nov 12, 2017
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Kind of annoying your wingmen's missiles are made of paper. I've seen my wingmen hit an enemy fighter with half-a-dozen missiles and they STILL can't take it down.
 

Santini

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Oct 25, 2017
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The one upside to the Hori stick is it will be more usable on the PS4 since it appears to be replicating a DS4. The Thrustmaster will have limited compatibility by comparison. An example would be if you want to use it for Wipeout PSVR, the Thrustmaster won't work but the Hori one will.

But like you said, you might be better off with a converter and a better PC stick.

Good point. There are some other upsides to it: Haptic feedback (vibration), a headphone jack, and PS3 compatibility. There's a post on Reddit that also claims the Hori controller works with AC5; the Thrustmaster does not. For PS4, the number of games the Thrustmaster controller supports natively is around 8 or so. If the Hori does indeed support non-Hotas games, that's a big plus. The price and lack of proper PC support for sim games, however, make it a no-go for me.

In case anyone wanted to read them, here are the manuals for the Hori and Thrustmaster controllers. AC7 does not support Thrustmaster's rudder pedals, it seems.

Hori PS4 Flight Stick Instruction Manual
Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Instruction Manual

Thanks! Much appreciated. I'm considering buying one just exclusively for PC, so I guess I will have to take a look at some of the other options that are available as well.

edit: The Logitech X52 looks like a good choice as well, might go with that.

The X52 looks great. Hope it works out for you! I'm leaning towards the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS myself, along with a Titan Two adapter so I can use it for AC7 and some other PSVR games. However, the estimated cost and work it takes for this setup keeps the relatively inexpensive and plug-and-play Hotas 4 in the running.
 

L4DANathan

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Oct 26, 2017
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I will eventually do a machine gun only run for the medal. Was wondering what the best plane would be for this objective. I guess the best fighter I have, with parts to make the gun more powerful.

Still, it will be rough.

Just finished mine earlier today. It's pretty rough, especially the dogfights with Mister X and the drones on the final mission. My tips, use the two parts that power up the gun (and seem to give you infinite ammo, though that might just be because I did it on Easy), and the one that makes the machine gun lock on. Remember to check the stat screen at the end of each mission to make sure you get the "Guns only" bonus. Oh, and the mission where you have to use the bunker buster, you're allowed to use it for the bunkers.
 

Railgun

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wonder, did you play on easy, skip cutscenes, or are just that damn ace at the game lol.

My playtime on the campaign was no where near 6 hours. Heck I did the last 6 missions straight last night and that was like 4 and some change for me on normal.

fake edit- Guess that also included my time on the credits screen. Only know this since I was streaming it.

Probably going to start an easy mode play through tonight after work to just blast through it one more time before RE2. Seriously just a fun game, some frustrating mission moments aside.
That's the flight time so doesn't include cutscenes, played on easy and died a fair few times throughout and had to restart a few levels. When each level has a 20 minute timer unless you're redoing it over and over because you put the difficulty too high it couldn't possibly be a long game.
 

mogster7777

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Oct 27, 2017
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This game is really good hope it sells. It's fun and looks fantastic. What is the best way to make money? I notice it drops off if you repeat competed missions again.

Been playing AC games since no. 4 and this is more like the best ones from that era tonight. Absolutely exhilarating flying. Haven't even tried VR mode yet. I'm using standard controls just easier to play than pitching and turning.

Do I need to constantly be buying new planes? Is there a good all rounder plane to use most of the time or just keep switching depending on the situation.

Lastly I'm confused with changing targets. Is there a faster way of targeting something I'm looking at rather than pressing triangle to cycle through all the targets until the one in front of you is being targeted? Seems a bit fiddly to do in the middle of a dogfight.

Also what's up with the music? It is amazing? Like mission 3 has three tracks throughout it that play and they are all superb.

When is the soundtrack out?
 

Valkerion

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Oct 29, 2017
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This game is really good hope it sells. It's fun and looks fantastic. What is the best way to make money? I notice it drops off if you repeat competed missions again.

Been playing AC games since no. 4 and this is more like the best ones from that era tonight. Absolutely exhilarating flying. Haven't even tried VR mode yet. I'm using standard controls just easier to play than pitching and turning.

Do I need to constantly be buying new planes? Is there a good all rounder plane to use most of the time or just keep switching depending on the situation.

Lastly I'm confused with changing targets. Is there a faster way of targeting something I'm looking at rather than pressing triangle to cycle through all the targets until the one in front of you is being targeted? Seems a bit fiddly to do in the middle of a dogfight.

Also what's up with the music? It is amazing? Like mission 3 has three tracks throughout it that play and they are all superb.

When is the soundtrack out?

Multiplayer is where its at for MRP, you get quite a lot for beating the game, maybe enough for one and a half or two complete lines on the tree.

Think the plane choice is mostly up to you. I went for the Russian planes which is fighter heavy (only one multirole and one attacker) but they kinda rip through anything in the air thanks to their high speed. Makes ground target missions a bit of a hassle. relatively that is.

Target changing is more or less whatever is closest/in your field of view+height consideration. It makes it more finnicky than it should be but its kinda how it always is.

Yeah, Ace Combat is known for its music. Multiplayer uses classic tracks too!



Oh yeah... forgot I got AC5 with this, might put the replay for another time lol.
 

Datrael

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Oct 25, 2017
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This game is really good hope it sells. It's fun and looks fantastic. What is the best way to make money? I notice it drops off if you repeat competed missions again.

Been playing AC games since no. 4 and this is more like the best ones from that era tonight. Absolutely exhilarating flying. Haven't even tried VR mode yet. I'm using standard controls just easier to play than pitching and turning.

Do I need to constantly be buying new planes? Is there a good all rounder plane to use most of the time or just keep switching depending on the situation.

Lastly I'm confused with changing targets. Is there a faster way of targeting something I'm looking at rather than pressing triangle to cycle through all the targets until the one in front of you is being targeted? Seems a bit fiddly to do in the middle of a dogfight.

Also what's up with the music? It is amazing? Like mission 3 has three tracks throughout it that play and they are all superb.

When is the soundtrack out?
F-22 Raptor is the best all rounder plane I've tried out. Its good for air to air and air to ground, and air to air vs a lot of targets too.
 

Tortillo VI

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May 27, 2018
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Just finished mine earlier today. It's pretty rough, especially the dogfights with Mister X and the drones on the final mission. My tips, use the two parts that power up the gun (and seem to give you infinite ammo, though that might just be because I did it on Easy), and the one that makes the machine gun lock on. Remember to check the stat screen at the end of each mission to make sure you get the "Guns only" bonus. Oh, and the mission where you have to use the bunker buster, you're allowed to use it for the bunkers.
Awesome. Thanks for the tips, really helpful for preparing for this painful experience haha.
 

JamboGT

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Oct 25, 2017
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Had held off trying the VR until I had finished the single player and then yesterday had a pretty bad headache but tonight after work will be VR time. Can't wait, so many good impressions of it.
 

SmartWaffles

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Nov 15, 2017
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This game is really good hope it sells. It's fun and looks fantastic. What is the best way to make money? I notice it drops off if you repeat competed missions again.

Been playing AC games since no. 4 and this is more like the best ones from that era tonight. Absolutely exhilarating flying. Haven't even tried VR mode yet. I'm using standard controls just easier to play than pitching and turning.

Do I need to constantly be buying new planes? Is there a good all rounder plane to use most of the time or just keep switching depending on the situation.

Lastly I'm confused with changing targets. Is there a faster way of targeting something I'm looking at rather than pressing triangle to cycle through all the targets until the one in front of you is being targeted? Seems a bit fiddly to do in the middle of a dogfight.

Also what's up with the music? It is amazing? Like mission 3 has three tracks throughout it that play and they are all superb.

When is the soundtrack out?
Early game: F-16C into F-14D or Mig-29 then F-15C or Su-33, you can try grind a bit for F-15E since it's an anti ground monster as well as a dogfight master. Both endgame planes F-22 and Su-57 will last you very very long till you are working on some of the harder objectives on Ace, especially F-22A which has virtually no downside.
 

JamboGT

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There are loads of small touched that I love in this game, even basic things like the menu music, when you go deeper in the menu the music builds a little bit, adds a beat, it's a small thing but I really appreciate stuff like this.

Bandai Namco have really been bringing it with their classic franchises, Tekken 7 and AC7 both nailed it, really hope they do the same for a new Ridge Racer.
 

mogster7777

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Oct 27, 2017
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Multiplayer is where its at for MRP, you get quite a lot for beating the game, maybe enough for one and a half or two complete lines on the tree.

Think the plane choice is mostly up to you. I went for the Russian planes which is fighter heavy (only one multirole and one attacker) but they kinda rip through anything in the air thanks to their high speed. Makes ground target missions a bit of a hassle. relatively that is.

Target changing is more or less whatever is closest/in your field of view+height consideration. It makes it more finnicky than it should be but its kinda how it always is.

Yeah, Ace Combat is known for its music. Multiplayer uses classic tracks too!



Oh yeah... forgot I got AC5 with this, might put the replay for another time lol.
There is this track that played in the multiplayer which I've never heard in any AC game before. It was really good and had a choir but it wasn't any music from the PS2 games afaik. Is there a tracklist of all the classic tracks that play I. The multiplayer so I can pinpoint what it was?
 

JamboGT

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The one in multiplayer I heard wit a choir was Megalith Agnus Dei from AC 4.



Am guessing you have heard this one though...
 

CypherSignal

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just want to share one snippet I captured from the campaign. Not a super elegant skill showcase, and I'm not sure how much of it was the game dropping its plot armor, but... doing a minute and a half of typical chasing the Impossible AI and futilely throwing missiles at it; then deciding to just sit back for a full minute and wait for an opportunity; and successfully finding it first try, all felt extremely cool in the moment.

 
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SneerfulOwl

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Nov 4, 2017
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Any good flightstick recommended? I've heard Hori Ace Combat 7 flightstick is a stinker and is receiving a lot of negative reviews, according to reddit.
 

SpiritSlayer

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Were Project Aces trying to make some kind of relationship between Count and Huxian? Their interactions felt weird and outta nowhere.
 
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Jroc

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Do you think the VR missions were limited due to development constraints, or due to performance issues?

If performance was the main thing holding it back, then I wonder if they could have rigged up the HD version of AC5 as a VR game. If it really is a port, then it should be able to hit 90FPS or whatever it takes to work well. I suppose the PC version could probably run the main AC7 campaign in VR assuming it doesn't require any extra level design work.
 

mute

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Or why not have "Normal" -> Beginner and "Expert" -> Normal (and default) or something.
 

Sketchsanchez

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Loving the game so far because, well, it's fucking Ace Combat. My only disappointment, and it's minor, is that the multi didn't have an Ace Combat Infinity style mode. I'm more of a PVE person tbh. I hope it gets ported over one day.

Also I'm on chapter 10, how much more game is left?
 

SmartWaffles

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Nov 15, 2017
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Do you think the VR missions were limited due to development constraints, or due to performance issues?

If performance was the main thing holding it back, then I wonder if they could have rigged up the HD version of AC5 as a VR game. If it really is a port, then it should be able to hit 90FPS or whatever it takes to work well. I suppose the PC version could probably run the main AC7 campaign in VR assuming it doesn't require any extra level design work.
It's highly unlikely they could keep the intensity of the campaign missions and maintain 60+fps on PS4s. And from a business perspective they probably don't want to alienate the other platform players by making the PS4 version that much superior in content either.
 

FF Seraphim

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Oct 26, 2017
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End game question:
The hell is going on with the princess? Did she die? I am so god damn confused. Like I finally mangaed to break away from the MP and running missions to finish the game and I get pass mission 19 and see who I assume was the princess get t-boned by a plane.
If anyone knows whats up with that please explain to me. My wife watched me play the whole thing and she is equally baffled.