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swift-darius

Member
May 10, 2018
943
man that conquistador was a real piece of work, yikes. good on the protestors. (unfortunately he seems to have been part of the same House as my mum, awkward..)

let's hope that protestor doesn't have any long-lasting injuries. unfortunately I can see this whole thing dismissed as self-defense, just like with that guy in nebraska

Why the fuck are white supremacists trying to protect the statue of a Spaniard?

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off-topic, but do americans really think we're not white...?
 

Midgarian

Alt Account
Banned
Apr 16, 2020
2,619
Midgar
So my guess is the shooter was a White Hispanic (maybe even non-white Hispanic).

From Wikipedia:

"Oñate is known for the 1599 Acoma Massacre. Following a dispute that led to the death of thirteen Spaniards at the hands of the Ácoma, including Oñate's nephew, Juan de Zaldívar, Oñate ordered a brutal retaliation against Acoma Pueblo. The Pueblo was destroyed. Around 800–1000 Ácoma were killed.

Of the 500 or so survivors, at a trial at Ohkay Owingeh, Oñate sentenced most to twenty years of forced "personal servitude" and additionally mandated that all men over the age of twenty-five have a foot cut off. He was eventually banished from New Mexico and exiled from Mexico City for five years, convicted by the Spanish government of using "excessive force" against the Acoma people."

off-topic, but do americans really think we're not white...?
By WASP American standards not all Spanish people would be considered White based on looks and based on language and Catholic religion perhaps none of you are considered White under other definitions.

Remember there is no universal definition of White. Each country, culture and ethnic group has its own definition. White is usually used as a synonym for a majority ethnic group in a European country, but others countries definitions may disagree on who is included. It's not purely based on looks.
 

EVIL

Senior Concept Artist
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,783
I am surprised the shooter didn't get shot by police
not surprised at all
 

Nephrahim

Member
Jun 9, 2018
291
man that conquistador was a real piece of work, yikes. good on the protestors. (unfortunately he seems to have been part of the same House as my mum, awkward..)

let's hope that protestor doesn't have any long-lasting injuries. unfortunately I can see this whole thing dismissed as self-defense, just like with that guy in nebraska



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off-topic, but do americans really think we're not white...?
There's definitely some types who would consider Spaniards and Italians both not "Really" white. Hell, even Germans get excluded occasionally.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,821
www.reuters.com

Militia at violent New Mexico protest linked to white supremacy, domestic terror: mayor

Members of a heavily armed New Mexico militia blamed for sparking violence at a protest where a demonstrator was shot are trying to "prop up" white supremacy and may be connected to domestic terrorism, Albuquerque's mayor said on Tuesday.
(Reuters) - Police in Albuquerque, New Mexico, said on Tuesday they arrested a former City Council candidate and charged him with shooting and critically wounding a protester seeking the removal of a statue of a Spanish conquistador.
Steven Baca, 31, was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon for shooting Scott Williams on Monday night as protesters clashed with members of an armed civilian militia, according to a criminal complaint.
Baca was not immediately available for comment. It was not clear whether he was a member of the New Mexico Civil Guard militia who tried to protect the statue as protesters attempted to pull it down.
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Baca, son of a former Bernalillo County sheriff, ran unsuccessfully for City Council in 2019, calling city leadership soft on crime and criticizing terms of a federal agreement imposing restrictions on law enforcement.





www.rawstory.com

Albuquerque shooter Steven Baca attended Trump rally wearing red #MAGA hat: report

The man who shot an anti-racism protester in Alburquerque has been identified as a supporter of President Donald Trump."A former city council candidate has been arrested and charged after police say he shot and critically injured a protester during a demonstration calling for the removal of the...

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Rice Eater

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,816
off-topic, but do americans really think we're not white...?

This is a confusing one for Americans. Spanish speakers are associated with Hispanics and not the Spaniards of Spain in the US.

The other problem is that a big percentage of the population probably doesn't see people that look like Salma Hayek as white. So when we see Spaniards like Penelope Cruz or Paz Vega, it's ingrained in our heads that that's not what a while person looks like.

Hell, I didn't know the Kardashians counted as white people for years because of how my perception of what white people looked like as a American.
 

Haint

Banned
Oct 14, 2018
1,361
I'm seeing on Twitter people are posting still frames of the (shot) protester brandishing a knife moments before he's shot. Anyone know if it's real or some alt right photoshop?
 

Rampage

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,140
Metro Detriot
These guys have guns. Maybe do not gang up on him, hit him with a skate board over the head and scream 'I'm going to fucking kill you'.
At least nobody died.
Insanity.
Multiple videos leading up to the shooting show shots assaulting multiple people. He grabbed people and threw them to the ground. Pepper sprayed them. Was in in a clump of people, the a women fell needing medical assistance. By the time the skateboard incident happened, the crowd had every right to defend themselves from the shooter.
 

Deleted member 5334

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,815
That fucking update.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. While it appears some of the charges are still on the docket, it's making it seem less likely anything worth wild will go through. Good fucking god.
 

Teh_Lurv

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,098
I remember listening to the story of this statue on NPR, I wish I could share it but I can't seem to find it. The statue itself is little more than 20 years old and there was a bitter local fight over whether it should be erected at all.
 

Terra Firma

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,235
So reading the whole thing, the shooting charge was dropped, but he got hit with four more, less serious charges for unlawfully carrying a firearm and multiple counts of battery...
But a guy still got shot. Is the insinuation here that the shooting was justified?
Apparently, there was a picture of the victim with a knife so the judge thought that the shooter would claim self-defense, which is entirely ridiculous.
 

Tamanon

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
19,729
Videos show Baca, a counterprotester at a demonstration to remove a conquistador statue, tussling with demonstrators before pulling out a handgun and shooting several times.

Torrez said that under New Mexico law, a person cannot claim self defense if they are the first aggressor.

Torrez said his office had put out a call for information on allegations Williams was armed.

"Right now I have no evidence to suggest that he was in any way armed," Torrez said. "The fact that we haven't charged it (shooting charge) today doesn't mean it will not be charged."

I am infinitely confused by this combination of sentences.
 

Guddha

Member
Sep 5, 2019
1,203
Of course there won't be dropped charges when a protester injures or even kills some violent inbred nazi in actual self defense. America is a broken farce of a nation, just a giant tacky casino for racist thugs and their rich employers.
 

Bizazedo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,624
There's video out of the shooting which probably shows why the charges were dropped for now. Unsure if should link it here.
 

Magni

Member
Did you guys read the article? They're not saying the charges are permanently dropped. They also added a bunch more.

I'm not too hopeful, but it's not like they came out saying he's innocent and permanently dropping all charges against him.
 

Daphne

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,690
Maybe it's because I'm not in America now, but I think if you turn up to a protest in a group armed to the fucking teeth, then any violence, especially shooting, that happens after that is your fault.

And the shooter was instigating violence all over the place before it happened anyway.