Yes, I guess the word is rushed.
Something wrong has happened in the development of this game and maybe we will knew in a year or so.
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A Technical Question FF 7 Remake " 2D Backgrounds"
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Yes, I guess the word is rushed.
Something wrong has happened in the development of this game and maybe we will knew in a year or so.
this isn't an oversight or a bug -- my bet is this performance problems were the reason for the month or two delay. this is a super safe way of reclaiming memory and GPU time in a pinch.
lmao
It's a texture streaming bug you see in a lot of games, Monster Hunter World even had it in the PC version(at launch) when textures worked fine on consoles. Doubt it's related to performance in FF7r when it even happens in obviously less taxing areas(like Cloud's apartment door).
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Can anyone identify what chapters these two skyboxes were used in? In-game you'd still only ever be looking at a tiny segment of them at once, so I'm trying to figure out if they're actually higher res here than what we got.
What about the static helicopters just sitting in the air
Sounds like a them problem. Everyone uses UE and are able to release games with out these issues.
It's fine if you ran into problems, but blaming the most popular game engine on the planet, yeah I'm not sure about that
i don't know how else to say this, but the idea what the programmers at square were unable to identify and fix a mips bug before launch is... a real, true, stretch of the imagination
A lot of Unreal Engine games do release with this issue, but it's not just an UE4 issue, a lot of games in general have it. It's obviously a more extreme case in this game though.
Textures eventually load in. I can't think of many games where the textures just NEVER properly load.
It's also a stretch of imagination that SE's programmers weren't able to implement a brightness filter for HDR mode in the game, yet the game shipped without one. Answer you're looking for is what they had time to implement or fix, not what they could or couldn't do.
Ah there it is. Hope they get a patch out for this. Been taking it real slow through the game in hopes of one dropping to address this very issue (texture work in general, not just the door).
Something is seriously wrong with their project management if 5 years wasn't enough time to ensure their assets actually loaded into the game. Let alone include HDR settings.
Or there was some significant roadblock during development that resulted in them scrambling at the end.
Pick one.
Chapter 15
This is NOT looking at a hidden place out of bonds or anything, it's straight in your face.
I loved this personally. Unintended OG FFVII vibes.
The time arguments here are nuts to me. The game was in development for at least 5 years, wasn't it? "We just didn't have time to make the high res textures" seems nuts to me.
The last flagship title that wasn't in development hell was FFX, a game that was released almost 2 decades ago, that'
s longer than their "golden age" period. It's time people took a good hard look at SE as a prestigious developer. They need new blood at the top !
It does happen, as I mentioned, MHW on PC launched with this problem for all armors during cutscenes, they just never loaded the highest model when it did so on consoles:
Vuze on Twitter
“Pic 1: Bugged texture streaming on PC that Capcom hasn't even acknowledged Pic 2: Full Res Mip Workaround 🤔 #MHWorld”
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Though the more popular iteration of this bug are textures that sometimes load, and sometime doesn't.
I mean it results in the game looking like dogshit for significant portions, but then it's really beautiful in other instances. We definitely don't want it to be this way.
I already bought the game and finished it. The time to fix it was a day one patch.
Okay. Tried this for myself through guesswork.
I cropped a section might be visible as a background for the game (I assume it's from one of the areas where you can look down on the slums) and blew it up to the PS4 Pro resolution of 1620p.
That seems about as fuzzy as the game had them, so I don't know if those assets are actually displaying any extra detail.
edit: Oops. There's a download link for a higher res 8192px skybox. Checking it now.
Okay. This is from the full res skybox. Doesn't look much better.
The problem is giving such prominent assets to the skybox at all. They're always going to lose definition behind actual geometry in the foreground.
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I think that's something even SE can agree with, they even talked about in some of their financial reports, this company is one of the worst in the industry at managing big AAA projects and have been so since the PS2 days.
Armor during the cutscenes for a multiplayer focused game is extremely insignificant compared to the visual hiccups FF7R had.It does happen, as I mentioned, MHW on PC launched with this problem for all armors during cutscenes, they just never loaded the highest model when it did so on consoles:
Vuze on Twitter
“Pic 1: Bugged texture streaming on PC that Capcom hasn't even acknowledged Pic 2: Full Res Mip Workaround 🤔 #MHWorld”
Though the more popular iteration of this bug are textures that sometimes load, and sometime doesn't.
As I mentioned on another thread,
I think this is what happen in FFVIIR:
1. SE already delayed the game from March 3rd to April 10th.
2. SE knows that some area still need to be fix (texture bugs etc). But the game it self already running ok.
3. Some lockdown scenario looming around Japan/Tokyo (and other parts of the world) at the time.
4. SE cannot delay the game anymore. They took the hard decision to ship it at whatever cause.
5. SE knows players around the world will notice the discrepancies.
6. SE told all the staff to be quiet about this.
7. and said "we're going to release it on other platform eventually, so we can fix it at that time"
8. The end.
I think this is what happen in FFVIIR:
1. SE already delayed the game from March 3rd to April 10th.
2. SE knows that some area still need to be fix (texture bugs etc). But the game it self already running ok.
3. Some lockdown scenario looming around Japan/Tokyo (and other parts of the world) at the time.
4. SE cannot delay the game anymore. They took the hard decision to ship it at whatever cause.
5. SE knows players around the world will notice the discrepancies.
6. SE told all the staff to be quiet about this.
7. and said "we're going to release it on other platform eventually, so we can fix it at that time"
8. The end.
It's still the same bug, and it happening on the main points of interest during cutscenes was really jarring, it even was one of the biggest complaints about the game in the PC performance thread here.
As a console player this is the first time I've experienced it across an entire game for a major title.
Yea, this is by far the biggest offender of this bug that I know of. A lot of the instances in FF7r are probably real low textures too, not a bug.
They changed developers but I really doubt they thrown a lot of work done since that considering the Cyberconnect2 Bombing Mission looks the same as the final version.
Holy shit I completely forgot about this. Makes a little more sense now that this game has some issues.
Yeah it doesn't seem like everything was thrown out, but an entirely different developer taking over mid development seems just about as fucked.
Depends, older versions of UE4 (released around the same time-frame FF7R development may have migrated to UE4) did have LOD bugs like this one which resulted in improper automatic LOD when using Build Scale. It looks rather similar to what could be happening with that apartment door and other examples which entirely fail to load a lower LOD. Either way though, even bugs such as that could be workaround when developers are aware of them, but I wouldn't really consider UE4's automatic LOD system to be flawless when it comes to visual fidelity without any additional effort by artists. It's part of what makes the tech in the new UE5 demo so interesting.
Make no mistake, video game development seems like fucking black magic to me. It's definitely not easy to make sure everything works and behaves exactly the way you want it to. Some seriously talented people making games that look as insane as they do now.
Oh yes perfect. I've been wanting a copy of that "man and woman dancing" texture.
So, these posts are from 2014; there is no way that Square-Enix locked engine anytime before 2017 (I would guess a custom build of 4.21, if I had to). There are key improvements and important console SDK updates that are crucial to releasing any modern game.
In addition, what you posted isn't really a *bug* in the traditional sense, it's simply Unreal reading texel size from the original vertex data rather than looking at in-engine import scaling. Maybe it works either way nowadays, I'm not sure, but it would be very simple for a team to be like "hey we need to make sure everything is scaled properly in our modeling software", which they should frankly be doing anyway.
Unreal, like any engine, has bugs that pop up from time to time. You fix them or find workarounds or wait for the new version. Nothing should be a "surprise" that late in the game to any even remotely competent team.
That said, Square Enix made decisions to do what they did with the current technology available. I don't doubt they could have managed texture memory and pop-in better in certain areas, but I also understand they were under significant release pressure.
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Pretty much the only gigantic background structure that's actually a model is the Shinra building in the opening of Chapter 16.
I love them. Using high fidelity pre-rendered art is much more preferable to me than individually modeling every single texture and detail in the background. It gave the game a really cool visual identity and I hope Square and other companies follow suit with this because it would most likely help reduce development time and cost!
Yeah, it's pretty jarring. I would've rather preferred they use low-detail 3d rendering for those parts (which should still be feasible, performance-wise, if other UE4 games are to be believed) than high detail backgrounds which will make me stop to think "what the hell man" each time I come across them.
Good thing is, apart from maybe Junon and the Golden Saucer, they probably won't need to convey that kind of scale again for part 2.
Good thing is, apart from maybe Junon and the Golden Saucer, they probably won't need to convey that kind of scale again for part 2.
I thought they were fine?
Yeah, they aren't perfect. Like the texture load-in.
But they didn't bother me at all.
In fact, the actual artwork and what they are depicting was incredibly impressive to me. They were designed really well.
Yes, it takes you out of it a little bit knowing they are just 2D, but I genuinely felt it worked.
Yeah, they aren't perfect. Like the texture load-in.
But they didn't bother me at all.
In fact, the actual artwork and what they are depicting was incredibly impressive to me. They were designed really well.
Yes, it takes you out of it a little bit knowing they are just 2D, but I genuinely felt it worked.
Chapter 15
This is NOT looking at a hidden place out of bonds or anything, it's straight in your face.
I'm sure it'd look fine if we have just 1 or 2 layers of buildings between the player and the background, eg, more of the buildings on the left. The problem is them just using basically a 2D image to simulate all of the ground, wall, and ceiling part of the background with nothing inbetween lol
It's not noticable when you're playing on the ground level because it's covered by walls of buildings.
See this, compare 4:15 and 4:21. There is nothing between you and the background so the flatness is jarring :P If you see from 4:47 things look better because there's seperation with elements of background before we go to the 2D background.
Again, probably time and resource (manpower) limitation at play
Yeah, except they don't load in is the big problem. Literally everywhere between chapter 3 and 15 it's problematic.
I couldn't believe how bad it looked and they were calling attention to it. It's looked like a low res painting as a backdrop.
They looked like they were fine for me, but I was playing in 1080p on my standard PS4. I don't know what it was like for players on PS4 Pro or anyone playing in 4K, but they looked more than OK to me.
I think these kinds of graphical imperfections just don't bother players like me. Especially when the character models and general image quality and performance of the game was so impressive.
EDIT: Like, take this:
I mean, yes, if you look at the background image on a pixel level, then obviously there is some pixelation.
But considering this is the background and not what the eye is focusing on at all while playing unless you actively stop and look at it, it's not even a problem. It's more than fine to me.
You can basically start here and go through the rest of the thread just looking at the posted images, there's tons.
Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 7 Remake - Tech Review - Beautiful, But Not Flawless
If the whole game was low resolution textures it would be fine... but low resolution texutres becoming high resolution textures right in front of our eyes... probably the worst graphical flaw along with pop-in scenery, imo.
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No, they just. Don't load. Ever. No matter how long you stand there or get right up next to it, a lot of things just never load. Pro or not doesn't matter.
Nevermind the blurry skybox. You don't need a magnifying glass to look at it so close, you can just see the stark blurry contrast to everything in the foreground, and how it doesn't move in relation to anything else as you move.
That's not how this works, at all.
In UE4 you can go to the texture and check its properties. If you can't fix it there, then you're probably running out of memory and a higher mipmap can't be loaded. That would be a whole different issue, but again, this is probably that single texture having the wrong setup or some other fuckery going on. You just go to that one texture and/or that one model and debug it.
Nobody goes through all textures one by one for anything at all, and that person on Twitter is sadly talking out of his ass on this one.
Can someone help me find this please? (and the other in-game posters please).
I couldn't find it while sifting through the HDR files from the .zip folder.
Looks like they might be the skyboxes for chapter 4 (parachuting part) or chapter 6.
Actually, looking up at the plate from the Sector 7 slums at night is one of the most astonishing visuals I've seen in games. I wasn't sure at first if it was 2D or 3D -- it looked 3D, but way too detailed to actually be modeled. I just stood there at the train station, my jaw on the floor. Quite impressive. And while some of the later backgrounds are more obviously 2D, they still conveyed the sprawl of Midgar.
I was thoroughly impressed overall, despite the small graphical inconsistencies. The sky boxes actually felt like a neat throwback, I didn't mind them in the least.
Im actually impressed that the game is still on ver 1.00 and hasn't had a single post-release patch. Game is surprisingly stable in my experience and nothing really detracted from the experience. I bet they are saving their energy for the PS5 patch/version
Im actually impressed that the game is still on ver 1.00 and hasn't had a single post-release patch. Game is surprisingly stable in my experience and nothing really detracted from the experience. I bet they are saving their energy for the PS5 patch/version