Gender reveals are genuine Darwin award contenders these days. We had a recent thread about a fire\explosion at another one.
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A small plane crashed in Texas during a gender reveal attempt
- Thread starter Syriel
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You could have just asked me as you quoted me.
How do you know the gender of your child before you know your child, and how is it that traditional gender reveal parties leaving no room for a child to be trans in your celebration isn't transphobic?
It isn't a party for babies it's a party for parents celebrating a childs genitals and assigning a gender to them based on that. Many people celebrate having a child in numerous ways without that additional baggage.
Fathers jumping up and down with glee and relief when they peep a penis on a scan because to them it means they're having a boy and thus ______?
That doesn't make the parents taking part in the trend transphobic trash, but they are perpetuating something transphobic and harmful.
Which I say because recognising the harm is important even if it's unintentional, and people here tend to reframe trans concerns as being more emotional or extreme than they are.
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It's like a horror movie/comedy in the making. Now go back in time infinitely to prevent it from happening. The twist is that you are saved if you stop the party from happening in the first place.
Yeah, I read that after. I don't think it's transphobic to think your child as male or female. The problem is if someone has a problem when the child defines themselves differently.
Knowing the biological gender of a child doesn't mean that there's some hidden agenda in limiting their gender choices. I would definitely call my child, if he is biologically male a boy. If he identifies himself otherwise, then it will change.
So yeah, I think gender reveal parties are dumb, but I dont see it as transphobic.
I'm a little out of touch with the discourse on this one, but isn't that explicitly sex, not gender?
Sex is a physical characteristic, gender is a spook? If I'm wrong please, let me know - any mistakes are ignorance not malice.
How did they only come away with minor injuries?
It was worth it for potentially racking up millions of views on Facebook though /s
It was worth it for potentially racking up millions of views on Facebook though /s
I can't wait to hear about a gender reveal party triggering a sinkhole that leads to some lovecraftian nightmare portal. It's the only natural progression at this point.
- Knowing the sex of your child
- Throwing a party about assigning them their gender before they're even born based on that sex
It's also slightly irritating you intentionally cut this part of my post out in the quote..
..before acting as if I believe there's a hidden agenda. I specifically state that it doesn't indicate that the parents are transphobic, but that doesn't prohibit it being transphobic. You're having a party specifically around assigning a gender to a child based on a glimpse of their genitals. What are you celebrating if not having a child?
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I didnt cut it, you edited that in after I quoted it. Pretty much took my time with the post to properly make sure that it came out as why I think a gender reveal event isnt transphobic.
And here's another problem, I tried to keep it as simple as possible, reiterating that I dont see the event as transphobic, so I'm kinda confused on what agenda I am apparently having to switch between those two terms?
If anything, it's more due trying to properly write this post while english is my second language.
Anyway, here's my point. I dont see gender reveal parties as transphobic. It's to me, parents celebrating the biological sex of their baby, as much as they celebrate their first month, first word, first crawl, and first walk. Treating the mundane as a cause of celebration. I dont see anything nefarious with it.
Edit: also if I just realised you added a few more paragraphs into your previous post, i havent had the time to read it yet so apologies if I havent addressed that either.
nah i've seen idiots do it in ireland. they usually fuck it up tho so it's always funny to watch
It's not though, it's a gender reveal party..
What exactly are you celebrating above having a child? Simply that they have a penis or a vagina?
Your insistence on gender reveal parties having nothing to do with gender is odd, that they didn't come about off the back of parents obsessing more and more about their childs gender and entrenching the idea that gender=sex. That it doesn't feed into things like fathers relieved they're having a boy or mothers a girl or painting childrens rooms in blue or pink and adorning them with 'gender-suitable' items.
This is without going into the issues with people that are intersex and that it also abandons them in the celebration alongside trans people.
This isn't some niche view that you'd only find on Era either. Obviously don't expect you to read them all but to highlight the range of places that the topic is discussed, including research into the harms of children being raised within the expected roles of a binary gender from a young age.
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Parents shouldn't even care about the biological sex of their child so much now. We're not back in feudal times where women had only certain roles of housework, and men had certain roles of being the breadwinner. They can be anything. Raise them neutrally, give them options, get out of the blue-pink binary limitation, let them choose their gender expression. Otherwise it seems a case for wanting to stick to "traditional family values" which happens to become LGBTQIA-phobic.
Your power level is determined by how many innocent people were endangered during your gender reveal. We are working to create a generation powerful enough to reverse climate change.
To add on to what other people are saying - the problem here isn't so much "thinking of your child as male or female"; almost everyone does that because we don't live in a genderless society. The bigger problem is the immediate, over-the-top, very public enactment of gender norms, roles, and expectations before the child is even born. These gender reveal parties enforce the idea that gender is binary, that gender = sex, and that gender is the most important trait of a child much more than (for example) just texting your family "we're having a boy/girl!" would do. This all indirectly feeds into transphobia, even if many of the parents holding such parties may not otherwise think of themselves as transphobic.
I would also add that not only transphobic, like you said the public enactment of gender norms and roles is iffy. The public displays, like this one here, are pretty much colour coded (pink is for girls). Therefore the child probably would end up in a pink room filled with princess toys etc. Boys on the other hand will get the blue room with football and car stuff. That leads to the children internalizing not what they like, but what they are allowed to like. That's not good for children.
i'm so glad my friends aren't as demented as these gender reveal event people.
buddy of mine told me he was expecting his 2nd the other day. it went like this:
"oh hey congrats. do you know ...?"
"it's a girl."
"cheers!"
imagine dying over "revealing" a social construct
buddy of mine told me he was expecting his 2nd the other day. it went like this:
"oh hey congrats. do you know ...?"
"it's a girl."
"cheers!"
imagine dying over "revealing" a social construct
Might as well go the whole hog and just throw it down the well if it's a girl. Hand it an Uzi if it's a boy (with the safety off).
These extreme reveals are idiotic. It's one thing to have people over to your house and you cut a cake with a pink/blue inside. It's quite another to blow something up or give it to an alligator.
Are these idiotic disasters just getting overreported are they really as dumb as they appear to be?