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PennyStonks

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May 17, 2018
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Tobin Bell must be loving the money Saw brings him. Dude has got it made.

I'll probably watch it.


Isn't that just the plot to Five Nights at Freddy's VR? All you're missing is data John hypnotizing people into being his followers.
Nah that game had weird soul shit in it. The bad guy was originally trapped in Fnaf VR, but tricked a beta tester of Fnaf VR into giving him a real body to escape with. IIRC anyway.
 

maigret

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Jun 28, 2018
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tbf id the performances are supposed to be bad, but I can understand everything else. I don't like traps that are not winnable to some degree.

There's a certain charm to the bad performances in the earlier Saw series (like Costas Mandylor, Agent Strahm, etc.) but seeing people like Chris Rock and Sam Jackson turn in bad performances just made it feel like some imitation of Saw without the authenticity.
 
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Vinc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, while the writing could have been tightened up for sure- I think a lot of the movie's problems themselves stem from Bousman as a director. In the decade plus or whatever since his run on the franchise, he just hasn't developed much as a director, and that hurt Spiral quite a bit.

Now, that being said, we also had the Spiering (?) brothers do Jigsaw, and while they infused some actually good cinematography and color into the movie... that movie was even worse than Spiral. So, maybe it really does fall on the writing? Idk.

I think you can blame a lot of Saw's shortcomings on Mark Burg and Oren Koules having an absolute iron grip on the creative side of the franchise as its sole owners, unfortunately.
 

OneTrueJack

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Aug 30, 2020
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I really want them to bite the bullet with this franchise and just bring Kramer back to life. Either by saying he never died and it was an elaborate con (very believable for this series) or by introducing supernatural elements.

Come on, just jump the shark and get crazy with it already. You know you want to.
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 27, 2017
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Can we bring a director with a cool vision that isn't attached to the current franchise? That's the only way to truly continue a franchise (reboot) and feel different. Like Creed is the blueprint.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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After this many sequels, isn't it time for the obligatory space entry for the series.

Saw in Space, set in the far future, they clone Kramer and that's how he comes back lol
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 27, 2017
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After this many sequels, isn't it time for the obligatory space entry for the series.

Saw in Space, set in the far future, they clone Kramer and that's how he comes back lol

Nah. Some kids discover a device in the first abandoned building. One of the kids is a tech genius and activates the device (invented by jigsaw) and discover it's a time machine that zaps them back to the first movie.
 

gforguava

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really want them to bite the bullet with this franchise and just bring Kramer back to life. Either by saying he never died and it was an elaborate con (very believable for this series) or by introducing supernatural elements.

Come on, just jump the shark and get crazy with it already. You know you want to.
It is honestly the only logical move at this point, the people making these seem hellbent on keeping Tobin Bell around so just do it already.
 

That1GoodHunter

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Oct 17, 2019
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Am I going to get another 3 of these shitty films before Final Destination 6 comes out?

I'm fully conviced the execs just hire a round table of writers to write random ideas for traps 24/7, and whenever they like 3-5 of the pitches, they greenlight another movie.
 

The Silver

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Oct 28, 2017
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Was Saw 3 originally supposed to be the final movie or something? That's the only I can of for them killing him off only to have each subsequent film twist itself backwards trying to tie in and put in more Jigsaw.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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Not a fan of torture films so I never really got the appeal of these movies but, reading this thread. This dude in movie 3 and there are six more films??
 

Sunster

The Fallen
Oct 5, 2018
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it's torture porn and i cant stand watching that stuff but lmao i love to hear new Saw plot developments.
 

Gaia Lanzer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm surprised they just didn't bite the bullet and turn Jigsaw into a supernatural killer. Doesn't have to go all-out supernatural slasher (Freddy-style), but a slight ghost-like presence san realism (or whatever realism is present in the Saw franchise).

Go full pants on head. John Kramer was part of an experimental mind upload test after being diagnosed with cancer. The year is 2121 and a copy of his brain has been stolen from w/e corp while w/e corp members start ending up in Jigsaw traps. John has literally become Billy the Puppet
For some reason, when I read this I thought of The Mangler 2:
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gforguava

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not a fan of torture films so I never really got the appeal of these movies but, reading this thread. This dude in movie 3 and there are six more films??
As someone who doesn't like the series(Part 3 is half a really interesting story and half trash, and that is the best the series ever got) but watched them all anyways, what I found so appealing was the idea of a heavily serialized horror series(I don't know if there is another film series as serialized as the original Saw flicks), full of twists and cliffhangers that other film series don't/can't really do.

The fact that it is done so poorly sucks of course, the writing is generally poor, the direction all over the place, the characters almost all disposable. The series had two major problems with the biggest being that the series could never hold onto a protagonist for very long, it really made the narrative way harder to care about. You'll see a couple people in this thread asking for more Hoffman which is hilarious because the character and Costas Mandylor's performance were both terrible...but he was something you could latch onto.

The other major problem was the torture stuff. Not only is it just unpleasant but it also starts to feel so divorced from the bigger story, later films start to feel like two stories stapled together: A) Cops trying to get to the bottom of the mystery and B) Random people and death traps.

Part 3 really fucked everything up by killing both Jigsaw and Amanda. Amanda was the perfect character to keep in play as the foil for Hoffman but without her it was a rotating list of cops and Jigsaw's wife(am I remembering that right?).
 

nicoga3000

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Oct 25, 2017
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The first Saw film was absolutely the best. Only time I've audibly gasped in a theater...The ending was SO good.

But I've seen all these stupid movies many times and will definitely watch a new one.
 

OneTrueJack

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Aug 30, 2020
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As someone who doesn't like the series(Part 3 is half a really interesting story and half trash, and that is the best the series ever got) but watched them all anyways, what I found so appealing was the idea of a heavily serialized horror series(I don't know if there is another film series as serialized as the original Saw flicks), full of twists and cliffhangers that other film series don't/can't really do.
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If you're looking for a serialised horror series, then I heavily recommend Child's Play/Chucky. With the exception of the non-canon remake, every entry has been overseen by the same creator. Seven films (an original trilogy and two duologies) and new TV series on SYFY. All tightly connected together with ongoing storylines, character arcs and narratives.

There's nothing else like it in the genre.
 

big_z

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Nov 2, 2017
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An fbi detective uncovers a USB stick that says play me only to discover it's encrypted. Seeking the aid of NASA they decrypt the file only for its contents to be uploaded to the International space station. On the station screens flicker and a familiar "do you want to play a game" question is heard by its crew.
 

nicoga3000

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Oct 25, 2017
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An fbi detective uncovers a USB stick that says play me only to discover it's encrypted. Seeking the aid of NASA they decrypt the file only for its contents to be uploaded to the International space station. On the station screens flicker and a familiar "do you want to play a game" question is heard by its crew.

If I were stuck in space with space Jigsaw, I'd just call it and deuce.
 

Saucycarpdog

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Oct 25, 2017
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He died like 4 or 5 films ago...
I was talking about the franchise but I like your interpretation.

Also, this series will last a lifetime when,so far, the worst performer made 2x it's budget.
Few horror movie don't make back their budget. The issue comes when each sequel suffers from diminishing returns.

Same thing happened to Paranormal Activity. Ghost Dimension made 7x it's budget but was a third of PA3's gross. Hence why it took 4 years before another sequel started development.

I'm sure Next of Kin would have made a profit too but clearly the studio didn't have enough confidence in the brand to give it a theatrical release.
 

Hektor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Will it be called The Saw and be a direct Sequel to the first movie, ignoring all others like it's in nowadays?

Cuz that'd be a shame, i love the dumb twists
 

Patitoloco

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love Saw.

Im not sure how this can work. We know pretty much everything that happens in the Saw timeline, I don't know where it can fit.

If it's truly between Saw 1 and 2, I hope they show Jigsaw having moments with his apprentices (which I guess at that point there were 4 or them)
 

Cipher Peon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I want a ton more Saw movies but not sequels with Kramer in it. I would hate for them to bring a super extremely dead character back to life. Prequels? Sure, I guess. As long as they're not as bad as Jigsaw.

Spiral was good, that was the movie that brought me back to theaters!
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Just bring him back from the dead. The franchise is trash anyway, so who's going to complain?

He faked his death with elaborate dummies or had a twin brother or some shit.

This time jumping is needlessly confusing.
 

scottbeowulf

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Oct 27, 2017
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The only way I watch this is if it stars a bunch of cancelled assholes like Spacey and Matt Lauer, all their salaries go to charity, and they all die in the end. And it's in space of course.
 

Bus-TEE

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Nov 20, 2017
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I believe the rumour is that this film will be about....

SAW in the future. SAW, who was frozen in a block of ice at the end of the previous film by Rob Lowe, is awoken in the year 3000 where he gets cyborg attachments to become Circular SAW. But little does SAW, now Circular SAW, realise that his old nemesis screwdriver and hammer are also in the future with him. And then.....car chases?

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LiS Matt

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Jan 19, 2018
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I'm always drawn back to these films to see how they tie-in/retcon stuff especially after 3
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Not a fan of torture films so I never really got the appeal of these movies but, reading this thread. This dude in movie 3 and there are six more films??

Me neither really, although the first one is a pretty solid mystery with some grisly traps. I don't think I have seen any of the sequels because the series very quickly seemed to focus mainly on elaborate and violent death traps.
 

Pokémon

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love Saw so give me more Saw. I don't care how much others think this franchise is stupid. Gimme.