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AuthenticM

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From Aljazeera

Popular American game show Jeopardy has been plunged into controversy after a contestant was told she had the wrong answer after identifying Jesus's place of birth, the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, as being in Palestine.

The incident took place in round one of the game broadcast on Friday, when Katie Needle was given the clue: "Built in the 300s A.D., the Church of the Nativity", under the category "Where's that Church?".

Needle, a retail supervisor, from Brooklyn, responded that it was in Palestine, but was told her answer was wrong.

One of the other two contestants, Jack McGuire, then buzzed in with the reply "Israel", which host Alex Trebek accepted as correct.

"This [jeopardy incident] just shows how normalised the occupation and cleansing of the Palestinian people from the historical record has become," Imraan Siddiqi, executive director of Council of American Islamic Relations Arizona chapter, told Al Jazeera.

James Zogby of Zogby Analytics, who is also a US public opinion pollster, said the incident was "an insult to history, reality, the thousands of oppressed Palestinians of Bethlehem".

Zogby recently wrote: "Suffering under Israeli military occupation since 1967, Bethlehem has slowly been strangled. It has lost most of its land to settlement construction. It is hemmed in by a 30-foot-high concrete wall, stripped of its resources, and denied access to external markets."

The United Nations says Israeli settlements in Bethlehem and other parts of occupied West Bank are illegal, and has called them a "flagrant violation" of international law.

However, fans of the show noted that following an ad break Ms Needle, who ultimately won the episode, appeared to have been reimbursed the $200 she had lost out on through her answer – although no explanation was given for the decision.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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actually saw this live the other night. katie knew that israel was going to be the accepted answer so she hesitated for a moment and decided to forfeit that question for the greater good, and props for that. she still won the night handily
 

jml

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It's pretty baffling to me that Jeopardy decided to include this question at all when they could have easily just used something uncontroversial instead.
 

Myradeer

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From Independent article
However, fans of the show noted that following an ad break Ms Needle, who ultimately won the episode, appeared to have been reimbursed the $200 she had lost out on through her answer – although no explanation was given for the decision.

Glad to see that Katie wasn't completely punished for staying her ground, though this is yet another evidence that Jeopardy producers just didn't want Palestine as "public" answer.
 

Finale Fireworker

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It's pretty baffling to me that Jeopardy decided to include this question at all when they could have easily just used something uncontroversial instead.

I wonder if the person/people in charge of questions included it to make a pro-occupation statement or if they didn't even suspect the answer to be controversial because they take the occupation at face value. 🤔

I don't really know how the questions are determined and I'm sure we'll never know. I would guess it was probably the latter, though.
 
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AuthenticM

AuthenticM

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Um yes? Do people just assume hostility on this forum?

I was saying in case anyone thought it was a "mistake". Her facial expression should allay fears.
I watched the video; I'm not 100% sold on the idea of her knowing the answer was going to be controversial. I think it's possible she just wasn't sure she was giving the right answer.

But if she knew that was the right answer while knowing it was going to be rejected by the game, good on her.
 

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Considering Bethlehem was in the Roman province of Palestine, seems like Jeopardy created a far bigger headache for themselves than they needed to.
 

godofcookery

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I watched the video; I'm not 100% sold on the idea of her knowing the answer was going to be controversial. I think it's possible she just wasn't sure she was giving the right answer.

But if she knew that was the right answer while knowing it was going to be rejected by the game, good on her.

Honestly her smile and look afterwards makes me feel it was. She also might have debated between the right and answer and the accepted right answer.
 

Heshinsi

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Bethlehem is in the West Bank. Did Israel annex the West Bank and only informed the people running Jeopardy (and that one contestant)?
 

thewienke

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I watched the video; I'm not 100% sold on the idea of her knowing the answer was going to be controversial. I think it's possible she just wasn't sure she was giving the right answer.

But if she knew that was the right answer while knowing it was going to be rejected by the game, good on her.

I'm not 100% sold because in the 5 seconds she had to read/hear the question and respond with an answer I don't think there was necessarily time to also think "I'm going to protest the answer they want to hear with the answer they don't want to hear". I'd think it was more like "I have a 50/50 shot here at the right answer so here's a guess"
 

sapien85

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Why the fuck would jeopardy even have this question knowing the conflict on the identity of the land? Seems like someone had an agenda.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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From Independent article


Glad to see that Katie wasn't completely punished for staying her ground, though this is yet another evidence that Jeopardy producers just didn't want Palestine as "public" answer.
Did the show itself make a point of it publically (usually when somebody gives an almost answer and they judge it wrong, if they change their mind during the break Alex will publically say so afterwards before starting the next round), or is it clear the question was meant to tow the line?
 

Cor

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Including the question is alright. Making the answer israel is wrong.
 

Green Mario

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Honestly I'd like to hear Trebek's thoughts on it. I know he's just the host, but I'm still curious.
 

Siggy-P

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Someone tell me if I'm wrong here but it litteraly is called palestein in the Bible is it not?
 

Failburger

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How the hell can it be Israel? Why the duck are we so eager to suck up to Israel every chance we get?
 

HomokHarcos

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It's in the West Bank which is considered to be a Palestinian territory. Maybe the person who set up the answer should have stuck with Jerusalem.
 

Chikor

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Someone tell me if I'm wrong here but it litteraly is called palestein in the Bible is it not?
The Philistines and their land are mentioned in the bible quite a lot, though their land is called pleshet (I am not 100% sure how it is translated to English exactly).
So only kinda.

I don't think any of it has any bearing on the current political situation by the way.
 

HeySeuss

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I'm not 100% sold because in the 5 seconds she had to read/hear the question and respond with an answer I don't think there was necessarily time to also think "I'm going to protest the answer they want to hear with the answer they don't want to hear". I'd think it was more like "I have a 50/50 shot here at the right answer so here's a guess"
This is where I land too. Being in the moment of trying to win the game you don't really have time to decide within 5 seconds if an answer is going to be used as an opportunity for protest. He face looked more like she wasn't quite sure which answer was the correct one.

Anyways...shitty on them to give her her money back during the commercial without saying anything.
 

PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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Saw this live and I wondered if she did that on purpose.

The problem with appealing to history to decide who owns it is that conquest was how Muslims, Romans, and Jews etc. came to claim it in the past and so it's not really helpful if you don't want to apply that now.
 

Y2Kev

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Possibly Jeopardy's audience being largely older people who have been taught through church to take offense at the idea of Palestine being a thing at all.
I think its primary audience is also educated people so I'm not so sure. Not like Trumpers watching.

edit: I should say not like MAGAs watching. Trumpers can definitely be educated and wealthy.
 

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The Roman province Bethlehem was in was called Judea and later Syria Palaestina.
Roll eyes

Palaestina is Palestine, and the empire that we call Byzantine but they knew only as Rome called the province Palestine In various forms. It's unlikely a knowledgeable Roman of the time would be confused by the term. Under this logic Judea would be an acceptable answer as well, or even Israel as a reference to the original Kingdom of Israel.

The point is, it would have been a smarter move on Jeopardy's part to just take the answer as one of a list of acceptable answers If they wanted to avoid the current day political question entirely.

But obviously if they only wanted to accept the current day political designation, Palestine would be the only correct answer.
 

Chikor

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Roll eyes

Palaestina is Palestine, and the empire that we call Byzantine but they knew only as Rome called the province Palestine In various forms. It's unlikely a knowledgeable Roman of the time would be confused by the term. Under this logic Judea would be an acceptable answer as well, or even Israel as a reference to the original Kingdom of Israel.

The point is, it would have been a smarter move on Jeopardy's part to just take the answer as one of a list of acceptable answers If they wanted to avoid the current day political question entirely.

But obviously if they only wanted to accept the current day political designation, Palestine would be the only correct answer.
It's obviously come from those words, but in the context of Jeopardy I don't think they would have accepted Palestine if they were looking for Syria Palaestina or Palaestina Secunda. Though it was the name of the British colony there, so I guess there's that.

Anyway, I think we can all agree it's a shitty question.
 

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Yeah the really baffling thing here is why did they include the question? The person who wrote the question and answer must have known that it was controversial at the very least, and it's not like Jeopardy! is typically in the business of trying to make political statements.
 

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It's obviously come from those words, but in the context of Jeopardy I don't think they would have accepted Palestine if they were looking for Syria Palaestina or Palaestina Secunda. Though it was the name of the British colony there, so I guess there's that.

Anyway, I think we can all agree it's a shitty question.
That's certainly true.