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Forerunner

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Oct 30, 2017
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www.npr.org

German Woman, 95, Charged With Complicity In More Than 10,000 Murders During WWII

Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court, because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

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German prosecutors have filed charges against a 95-year-old woman they say was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people at the Stutthof concentration camp during World War II. The woman worked as a typist and secretary. Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court, because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

In a statement sent to NPR, Senior Public Prosecutor Peter Müller-Rakow said the woman helped those in charge of the camp carry out "the systematic killing of Jewish prisoners," along with Polish partisans and Russian prisoners of war.

The former secretary is also accused of aiding and abetting attempted murder – a charge that refers to the tens of thousands of people who survived despite the brutal conditions and cruel treatment that were imposed on them.

The Stutthof concentration camp was established in 1939, east of Gdansk along Poland's Baltic coast. The secretary worked there from June of 1943 to April 1945, as a close aide to the commandant. By that time, the facility had been expanded and was using Zyklon B gas chambers to exterminate prisoners, according to the Death Camp Memorial Site.

Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp. It wasn't until after the war, she said, that she learned of the horrific acts that took place inside. Before that revelation, she said she had assumed that anyone who was executed in the camp had done something to deserve it.

Irmgard F. said she testified about the camp in the 1950s; a few years later, Stutthof's commandant Paul-Werner Hoppe was sentenced to prison. Hoppe dictated letters to his secretary, who also handled correspondence and radio traffic, according to NDR.
 
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Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp.

hmmm
 

ToddBonzalez

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Imagine if the US was a serious about prosecuting Nazis as Germany is.
 

zon

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If they knew of her involvement in the 50s it seems weird they've waited 70 years to prosecute her.
 

shnurgleton

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Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp. It wasn't until after the war, she said, that she learned of the horrific acts that took place inside. Before that revelation, she said she had assumed that anyone who was executed in the camp had done something to deserve it.

these arguments are not as good as you think, maam
 

Zyae

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Imagine if the Chicxulub Impactor missed Earth, denying our mammalian ancestors the opportunity to rapidly diversify in the face of the rapid decline of the dinosaurs, resulting in the human species never evolving and fascism never being invented.
 

jelly

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Did a lot of Nazis get prosecuted after the war?

Thousands or many more or just the high ranking ones that survived?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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If they knew of her involvement in the 50s it seems weird they've waited 70 years to prosecute her.

Only high-ranking nazis were really prosecuted after WW2. 1950s Germany was more concerned with forgetting that people had ever supported Hitler than charging his supporters.

But yeah, these trials should have happened long ago, and before the accused are 90+ and can't remember a thing.
 

hobblygobbly

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I don't understand, why now after 70 years?
In Germany we have an agency that investigates nationalist socialist crimes/involvement. This agency after the war was used to investigate ranking nazi officials like SS, gestapo, politicians, military, etc, not necessarily people like typists or gate guards, etc.

In late 2000s, this changed. There was a precedent set for prosecuting a guard and so ever since then the agency has been investigating people like typists for Nazi operations. Quite frankly it was never concerned with low level nazi staff

In Germany for decades the agency has been criticised for this
 
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Did a lot of Nazis get prosecuted after the war?

Thousands or many more or just the high ranking ones that survived?



www.npr.org

How Thousands Of Nazis Were 'Rewarded' With Life In The U.S.

After World War II, thousands of Nazis became informants in the Cold War against the Soviet Union — and then got entry into the U.S. Eric Lichtblau's new book, The Nazi Next Door, tells the story.

Only a few Nazis were actually prosecuted. A lot of them worked for the CIA or KGB in intelligence, trained South American dictators/police states, and I think some trained our very own policemen here though I gotta dig up sources for those.
 

BobbeMalle

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In Germany we have an agency that investigates nationalist socialist crimes. This agency after the war was used to investigate ranking nazi officials like SS, gestapo, politicians, military, etc, not necessarily people like typists or gate guards, etc.

In late 2000s, this changed. There was a precedent set for prosecuting a guard and so ever since then the agency has been investigating people like typists for Nazi operations. Quite frankly it was never concerned with low level nazi staff

In Germany for decades the agency has been criticised for this

Thank you for giving context, this is way clearer now.
 

sibarraz

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Zombine

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I don't think that he is criticizing the trial. He is wondering why it took Germany 70 years to prosecute her considering that she played a role on those 10000 murders

I would assume that they had to first tie some evidence to her where her involvement was more explicit than just being the secretary. I would assume that in order of importance she was not the first person on their list and also had to go through the trouble of locating her and whatnot.
 

Nepenthe

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Eggiem

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'Sorry, sir, I missed that genocide. I had the window seat.'
That was the most common excuse, a collective, defensive attitude.

"Sorry sir, I didnt notice anything. What happened to my jewish lawyer, the carpenter, postman, baker, barber, doctor, farmer,..."

The truth is: Everyone noticed.
 
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WrenchNinja

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You implied that's where they must have learned it from.
Not implying anything. The Nazis learned from White Supremacy laws in America.

amp.theatlantic.com

What America Taught the Nazis

In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in legal racism—the United States.

This whole chain started cause someone got annoyed that America was getting called out for not going after Nazis too and blamed the Germans for creating them in the first place, so I figured I'd point this out.

Well you're misreading.
 

Eggiem

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www.npr.org

How Thousands Of Nazis Were 'Rewarded' With Life In The U.S.

After World War II, thousands of Nazis became informants in the Cold War against the Soviet Union — and then got entry into the U.S. Eric Lichtblau's new book, The Nazi Next Door, tells the story.

Only a few Nazis were actually prosecuted. A lot of them worked for the CIA or KGB in intelligence, trained South American dictators/police states, and I think some trained our very own policemen here though I gotta dig up sources for those.
This is completely wrong, US-centric and you probably shouldnt post stuff like that. Tens of thousands of nazis died in the Soviet occupation zone.
 

Saucycarpdog

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It's incredibly admirable how there's still investigations to this day to bring Nazis to justice.

Wish America's justice system was the same.
 

KimiNewt

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All these "the nazi party party rose to power in great part due to America" posts are some of the biggest eye roll posts I've seen here. Some of you Americans just can't view anything outside the lens of your own politics.

Europe has a rich and varied history of racism and totalitarianism and doesn't need your help.
 

JABEE

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Imagine if the US was a serious about prosecuting Nazis as Germany is.
Didn't a lot of Germans who committed horrific crimes just re-integrate back into society like judges, business owners, etc who were directly involved in the operation of the genocide? The USA brought over Nazi scientists to help start NASA. There was a lot of money made by multi-national businesses that were somehow allowed back into polite society.

The post-war political forces weren't as clean as Americans are traditionally taught. The USA also left behind fascist forces in European countries to sabotage and fight socialism and communism taking hold following the end of WWII.
 
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All these "the nazi party party rose to power in great part due to America" posts are some of the biggest eye roll posts I've seen here. Some of you Americans just can't view anything outside the lens of your own politics.

Europe has a rich and varied history of racism and totalitarianism and doesn't need your help.
Pretty much
 

arcadepc

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Imagine if the US was a serious about prosecuting Nazis as Germany is.


Or so they want you to believe

In the case of Max Merten, a convicted war criminal, both German parliament and public opinion wanted him to be released when he was arrested in Greece

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