OP, you should have just kept quiet. Parents get really touchy when other people question their parenting decisions.
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A friend cut me off over my stance against circumcision
- Thread starter Liquid Plejades
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Ah, the pro-circumcision wackos are here again. Because it's extremely common in their (American) culture and most users are from America the rest of us is supposed to treat this particular genital mutilation as reasonable.
Laughable health arguments and made up statistics are welcome!
Laughable health arguments and made up statistics are welcome!
Digestible info about circumcision from Science Vs. Studies currently indicate it doesn't necessarily affect sensitivity. They also indicate there's absolutely no good reason to do it in the developed world.
Then OP wouldn't have known their friend was this unreasonable, and likely made a lucky escape.
Ah yes, let's not hurt the feelings of people who take part in a practice that's child abuse.
Religion isn't a good enough reason for me I'm afraid but then I'm not religious. People do all kinds of things in the name of religion. Baffling to those of us looking in from the outside.
This. Do you guys really think women care about the SHAPE of your dick in 2020?!?!?
Plenty of people in the US absolutely care. They should feel bad about it though.
No they shouldn't. It's child abuse. People should always speak up about it. Doesn't matter what religion it's from.
That's your opinion. They are not breaking the law
It's not child abuse. No laws are being broken and it's a medically accepted procedure.
Furthermore, all these responses saying that OP is better off that the friendship is broken is just dumb. Like plenty of people think spanking is child abuse and I personally am not in favor of it. But I'm not going to throw a friendship away because parents want to discipline their kids in a way that I disagree with. It doesn't affect me and it's not my business.
It's not child abuse. No laws are being broken and it's a medically accepted procedure.
Furthermore, all these responses saying that OP is better off that the friendship is broken is just dumb. Like plenty of people think spanking is child abuse and I personally am not in favor of it. But I'm not going to throw a friendship away because parents want to discipline their kids in a way that I disagree with. It doesn't affect me and it's not my business.
Given how distressing some posts about hygiene that pop up from time to time sound I can't really get fully on board with people claiming it's a myth with no benefits, there's definitely an audience for this so called mutilation. OP's friend is a nut job though and no one should feel bad about dropping crazy people from their life.
You're right; it's completely subjective. I always think it's sensible to affirm that there's nothing wrong with cut junk when I advocate for not cutting babies (and to be clear, I personally prefer the aesthetic of cut cocks on others, although usually there are a ton of other factors that make a dick pretty/not-so-pretty that are unrelated to presence/absence of foreskin).
Yeah, that's because the US is a shithole country. Nobody in Europe cares.
They ended the friendship not the OP. Did you even read the post?
And OP wasn't even as harsh with them as some are being on here. Furthermore I don't really hold it against my parents at all but just because it's medically accepted doesn't mean it's ok either.
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So it wasn't rape when a man had sex with a woman without her consent, because at one point that wasn't illegal either? Amputating your arm is an accepted procedure also, should we be doing those to infants too for no reason?
No current laws being broken doesn't mean it's not abuse. What sort of metric is that fuck sake.
Committing male genitalia mutilation on an unconsenting new born baby is absolutely abuse.
The scenario is the friend dropping off the friendship and claiming they're disappointed in OP, are you saying you would go apologize to your friend and tell him you regret saying you're not in favor of hitting kids in an attempt to save the friendship?
You really have to wonder if circumcision would exist at all if it wasn't some weird religious practice. It seems like it got ingrained into the U.S.'s "mainstream culture" via religion and now people have to create non-religious reasons to justify it.
I can't imagine my parents would have gotten me circumsized if my dad had a perfectly working circumsized penis. It's such a ridiculous line of thought to say 'hey, we should cut off a normal, functioning part of our son's penis!'
I can't imagine my parents would have gotten me circumsized if my dad had a perfectly working circumsized penis. It's such a ridiculous line of thought to say 'hey, we should cut off a normal, functioning part of our son's penis!'
Console wars for penises, but in this case you also force your children to be Xbox fanboys for life.
Must be why numbers everywhere in the western world continually went down and every medical association in the western world outside the US is against it, with even the US one now taking a neutral stance on it.
But what do they know ...
Your friend is projecting his lack of tolerance onto you. If it wasn't this issue it could have been something else.
Yeah, but would you kick someone out of bed because he is uncircumcised? That's what I meant. Plus the extra bit of skin will produce some extra friction.
Your friends had a pretty severe over reaction for sure. Circumcision is actually really good for long term health of the child however, I work in a nursing home and have seen what happens when uncut penises don't get taken care of well. They are more prone to infections and bacteria.
Your foreskin is gonna get gangrenous sooner or later tho. Brought to you by the American Snippers Association.
Yep, far better to mutilate genitals than have a conversation about hygiene.
Circumcision rates in most of Europe and Latin America are below 20%. In Asia, they're even lower. We're all doing just fine, somehow. American exceptionalism never fails to surprise.
I wish it were that simple. Unfortunately kids growing up aren't exactly known for their hygiene, and while there can be a discussion about whether you feel circumcision is justified I don't think you can look at the data/research and come away saying there is no increased risk for medical complications/health issues if you aren't circumcised even if those issues are relatively minor.
Maybe there is some correlation between cultures that rarely have their kids circumcised and it refutes these statistics. If so I'd be interested to read them. But let's not act like it's some religious conspiracy. The actual data supports my reasoning for believing in it. I hope I won't be castigated for them, especially considering the premise of the thread.
The presence of foreskin is not something that needs to be corrected, holy crap. You are dumb as hell.
No, you provided a single link that doesn't do what you think it does... It IS nonsense that it's more healthy.
Did you read my post? I said OP should have just kept quiet. There are plenty of things that are brought up in conversation with me by parents wrt to raising kids that I don't agree with and I don't say anything. Like does voicing my disagreement going to actually change the parents mind? No, all it does is cause people to get mad because it sounds like you are criticizing their parenting skills.
If I valued the friendship, yes.
Of course... no one is suggesting that you NEED a circumcision. People are merely posting evidence that indicates there MIGHT be medical benefits with minimal drawbacks.
It's not a big deal if you don't get one. Nor is this an example of "Amercian exceptionalism" or whatever.
Not only you're meddling into their religion and culture, but you're also meddling into their parental decisions. So, yeah.
His friend literally asked him. How is that meddling?
Some people on this forum are unbelievable. Do yall get outside at all?
I know this isn't the argument that you personally are making, but copping off a part of your child to avoid an issue that can be fixed with good hygiene and a round of antibiotics at worse just seems mental to me as someone from the UK.
The idea that "women prefer circumcised dicks" is a complete myth too. American women maybe "prefer" it because to them it's what looks normal, but I've banged a few Americans and I assure you they had no issues with my ant eater.
You probably came off a lot more condescending than in your OP because the story isn't adding up - not likely they would get that mad over what you posted you said. Parents make the choices they feel is best for their kids. It's not your place to tell them what to do or offer unwanted advice. Next time try being more tolerant of other people's views.