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Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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First of all, this is NOT a knock against the LGBT community.

They are making a movie about Mary Anning, a pioneer of natural science. She discovered fossils such as Plesiosaurs, Icthyosaurs, and Pterosaurs. She lived in a time where women weren't allowed to vote, or participate in the scientific community. She lived during the time when the concept of evolution and extinction was causing uproar in a deeply religious society. Other scientists used her discovery to boost their own fame. Gideon Mantell discovers the first dinosaur. Charles Darwin was making his trip on the HMS Beagle. Richard Owen was being a bastard (and coining dinosauria). People questioned the authenticity of her Plesiosaur skeleton. Despite being a women, she was able earn respect from the Geological Society.

Anning's discoveries became key pieces of evidence for extinction. Georges Cuvier had argued for the reality of extinction in the late 1790s based on his analysis of fossils of mammals such as mammoths. Nevertheless, until the early 1820s it was still believed by many scientifically literate people that just as new species did not appear, so existing ones did not become extinct—in part because they felt that extinction would imply that God's creation had been imperfect; any oddities found were explained away as belonging to animals still living somewhere in an unexplored region of the Earth. The bizarre nature of the fossils found by Anning, — some, such as the plesiosaur, so unlike any known living creature — struck a major blow against this idea.

So what is the movie going to be about?

Set in a UK coastal town in the 1840s, the drama will follow the unlikely romance between palaeontologist Mary Anning and a London woman of means to whom she must unexpectedly play nursemaid. Production is due to start in March.

https://deadline.com/2018/12/kate-w...ngs-speech-lady-macbeth-producers-1202520081/

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Personal Edit - The GIF that was removed was a GIF satirizing how men view same sex relationship between women works.

I'm not going to comment on the non-existent records of Mary Anning's personal life, but is that really what we're going for when you think about a story based on a woman who's life is really damn interesting without needing any embellishment? A story about a woman making her mark during a revolutionary period of science isn't interesting enough that we need a romance sub-plot? Hell, for all we know, her life's achievements are the sub-plot. I would feel the same way about it if it's about her romance with a man. There's just something about it that feels disingenuous. It feels like they just wanted to spice up the story by making it about a romance between 2 women, and not a story about someone rocking the fabric of society.
 
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Hollywood Duo

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Seems like you are overreacting with so little knowledge of the production. The people involved are some of the highest rungs of the film industry and are not likely to make a softcore porn movie.
 

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Platy

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To be FAIR, it is not the kind of science that is interesting and can carry a whole movie. I think they can do a fast montage of the slow parts, have a scene with the discoveries or eureka moment and then show society going against her not only because she is lgbt in the 1700's

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Volimar

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It can be about both. The struggles of being a lesbian and a pioneer in natural science at that time seems like it would be pretty compelling.
 

Olaf

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Oct 27, 2017
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You want a movie solely based on science stuff? Boring! Give me a love subplot any day of the week. Especially lesbian, it's not like we see those too often.
 

Hollywood Duo

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Another thing, why do you presume that the only important thing in this womans life was her scientific work? Why would your relationship with the person you love not be a crucial part of anyones life story regardless of gender?
 

Tbm24

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I mean, there's no reason to think it can't be about both. The Imitation Game managed to be about both.
 

nded

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Most movies about scientists or other famous figures focus on their personal lives rather than the specifics of their work. A Beautiful Mind isn't a movie about mathematics.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If you want an education about someone's true life story, go to the library and read books about them. Movies always focus on the things that are most likely to win Awards or garner publicity. That's not always a bad thing though because us publicity can lead to more interest in the individual.

Seems like a strong reaction considering there's not much information about the production so far, but I understand where you're coming from. The Theory of Everything didn't focus on Stephen Hawkings scientific achievements so much as his personal life either.
 

Border

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People rather enjoyed The Theory of Everything, and that focused on Hawking's personal life a great deal.

I think it's kind of hard to make a biography film that is entirely focused on the subject's work and professional life. We want movies to humanize people, not just be a laundry list of their accomplishments and trials.
 

Figgles

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Oct 30, 2017
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It's the hook to get people to watch. Most movies about scientists and mathematicians are the same setup. A Beautiful Mind, The Immitation Game, and The Theory of Everything are the same kinds of movies.
 
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I get wanting a movie about the other aspects of her life. But movies are just made by people and someone felt inspired by this particular aspect of her story.
 

Autumn

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I'm surprised Saoirse is playing a secondary character. She always plays lead or ensemble role.

I bet it will be a 50/50 split like MQOS with Saoirse getting a lot of screen time.
 

Bleu

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Sep 21, 2018
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We know nothing about this movie and it's final script.
Wait for at least some modicum of real information about the movie to drop before entering the indignation phase.
It might turn out good.
 

nitewulf

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I'm not going to comment on the non-existent records of Mary Anning's personal life, but is that really what we're going for when you think about a story based on a woman who's life is really damn interesting without needing any embellishment? A story about a woman making her mark during a revolutionary period of science isn't interesting enough that we need a romance sub-plot? Hell, for all we know, her life's achievements are the sub-plot. I would feel the same way about it if it's about her romance with a man. There's just something about it that feels disingenuous. It feels like they just wanted to spice up the story by making it about a romance between 2 women, and not a story about someone rocking the fabric of society.
Sounds like a similar take as The Imitation Game, I thought Turing's extremely interesting life was just compressed into a failed romance with Keira Knightley's character, a lot of the WW2 achievements overlooked and his sexual orientation and punishment due to it also somewhat glossed over. That's mainstream movie business I guess.
 

makonero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Having read a biography of Anning's life, this is a bizarre choice. Her sexuality isn't something that is even hinted at. Her relationship with her father would be a more interesting route to take rather than making up a lesbian romance.
 

calder

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Oct 25, 2017
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It is almost impossible to make a movie that is solely about an academics professional work. It's simply not interesting enough without the human element "hook".
 

Messofanego

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What was the gif OP used that was inflammatory?

And yeah it can be both about Mary's discoveries and her personal life, like many other biographical films about scientific figures.

I saw her work at the Natural History Museum here in London, pretty awesome.
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BLEEN

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Another thing, why do you presume that the only important thing in this womans life was her scientific work? Why would your relationship with the person you love not be a crucial part of anyones life story regardless of gender?
Asking the real questions here.

Also, I love fossils and shit but it's wayyy too preemptive to judge this flick lmao C'mon, OP
 
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Cow Mengde

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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It is almost impossible to make a movie that is solely about an academics professional work. It's simply not interesting enough without the human element "hook".

Having her father die when she was a little girl. Supporting her family by selling her discoveries. Climbing dangerous cliffs to find fossils. Being conned out of her money. Having her credit taken away by men. Dying from breast cancer doesn't add human element to it? Her life is really interesting. There's so much about her struggles that we can talk about.
 

ahoyhoy

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Oct 25, 2017
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As long as they don't gloss over or underwrite her accomplishments I don't see the problem with focusing on the romantic angle, especially an 1800s same sex one.
 

SweetNicole

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Having her father die when she was a little girl. Supporting her family by selling her discoveries. Climbing dangerous cliffs to find fossils. Being conned out of her money. Having her credit taken away by men. Dying from breast cancer doesn't add human element to it? Her life is really interesting. There's so much about her struggles that we can talk about.

You can do all that, and still have romance in it.
 

Legacy

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People rather enjoyed The Theory of Everything, and that focused on Hawking's personal life a great deal.

I think it's kind of hard to make a biography film that is entirely focused on the subject's work and professional life. We want movies to humanize people, not just be a laundry list of their accomplishments and trials.

This, I also felt Theory of Everything was a great film and did a great job.
 

julia crawford

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The movie can very easily be about both. The framing on her relationship with someone intimate is a good place to talk about her achievements too.
 

Aselith

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I dont see an issue. The recent Hawking biopic was mostly about his romance with his wife. Its extremely common to write human stories about humans.

Edit: I see this was mentioned right before me lol
 

Sgt. Demblant

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This is not mentioned in the article but I assume the movie will be loosely based on Tracy Chevalier's Remarkable Creatures, which is one of my favorite novels of all time and does focus on that relationship. With these actresses involved, it sound like an incredibly exciting project to me.
I highly recommend that book.
 

Hollywood Duo

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Having her father die when she was a little girl. Supporting her family by selling her discoveries. Climbing dangerous cliffs to find fossils. Being conned out of her money. Having her credit taken away by men. Dying from breast cancer doesn't add human element to it? Her life is really interesting. There's so much about her struggles that we can talk about.
Ok, and how do you know these things won't be in it? Again, the people involved in this production are very high quality artists and are not likely to have signed on to some trash tier T&A film.
 

Hazzuh

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100% of films about scientists are about their personal lives rather than the science.
 
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It's almost as if when you're telling a story about a person what ends up standing out above all of their achievements is their personal life and interactions with other humans. Who knew that that could form the basis of the the drama of the picture?
 

Maurice Hamblin

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Chill out man. You're reading a brief synopsis and basically writing an imaginary script in your head based on your own shit. Romance subplots don't always hurt a narrative. I'd argue that Titanic wouldn't have been as great of a movie if it didn't follow Rose and what's his face.
 

MikeHattsu

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This is not mentioned in the article but I assume the movie will be loosely based on Tracy Chevalier's Remarkable Creatures, which is one of my favorite novels of all time and does focus on that relationship. With these actresses involved, it sound like an incredibly exciting project to me.
I highly recommend that book.

 

'3y Kingdom

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There's a way that biographical information can enhance one's career and accomplishments, particularly if said information (i.e., a lesbian relationship) was suppressed (or would have been suppressed) during and immediately after one's life. This is a big reason why Wild Nights With Emily is a much more affecting and insightful Emily Dickinson biopic than the rather cliche and maudlin A Quiet Passion.

We'll have to wait and see on this biopic, but it certainly helps when there is already a well received novel (Remarkable Creatures) on the very same topic. That work's title alone should give a hint as to how such biographical interplay can potentially enhance the themes of a life.
 

excelsiorlef

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Having her father die when she was a little girl. Supporting her family by selling her discoveries. Climbing dangerous cliffs to find fossils. Being conned out of her money. Having her credit taken away by men. Dying from breast cancer doesn't add human element to it? Her life is really interesting. There's so much about her struggles that we can talk about.

Why do you want to erase her gayness so badly?
 

Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
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People rather enjoyed The Theory of Everything, and that focused on Hawking's personal life a great deal.

I think it's kind of hard to make a biography film that is entirely focused on the subject's work and professional life. We want movies to humanize people, not just be a laundry list of their accomplishments and trials.
The Theory of Everything is generally based on true events, this is just fanfic.
We really know nothing about her love life.

Now I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with telling made up stories with real historical characters, but considering that Mary Anning is someone who did not get the recognition she deserved for her discoveries, I think it's understandable why people would be a bit worried about that.
 

Common Knowledge

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Wait, so we know nothing about her love life, much less her possibly being gay? That kind of changes things, I think.