A Critique of Red Letter Media’s Bigoted Content (See Staff Post)

Dio · Jul 15, 2019

I tend to use them as a test, most of the time. i disregard whenever they dislike a movie, as most of the time, it comes of as ''in my time'', or the "everything is hero movies, shit sucks now". when they actually like a movie, i watch it, tho it's never based solely on them.
that said, since Ghostbusters, and recently Cap Marvel, ive started to get more and more bothered. Because Rich rarely appears on HitB(all i watch from them), i wasn't aware of this. eesh

Santini said:
Haven't watched them in years, but didn't know they were trash until today. Thanks for the heads up, OP.

It'd be great if YouTube had an "ignore content by these creators" feature, as the film stuff I do watch sometimes throws up a RLM thumbnail. Never clicking on those again.

they actually implemented it last month, i think. if not, there's multiple blocking addons for browsers.

Vincent Alexander · Jul 15, 2019

PhoncipleBone said:
Oh please do.

I found it and updated post. Was a little slow, sorry! Should've waited to post.

Doomguy Fieri · Jul 15, 2019

RLM is some of the funniest stuff on Youtube, but Mike definitely has woman hating energy, Jay can be a weird little creep, and Rich has not grown out of that phase where saying something really gross or inappropriate is comedy. The occasional unfortunate take but mostly harmless. This isn't red pilling or white nationalism disguised as movie reviews.

excelsiorlef · Jul 15, 2019

BassForever said:
Most of those films were bad, and the few that were good you can qualify as part of the endless sea of super hero films or remakes.

Lol

"They were wrong but in a way that makes them right"

IT and Wonder Woman were literally the hits of the summer.

Power Rangers put a ton of heart into the characters and was hardly trash

Please

Sanjuro · Jul 15, 2019

PhoncipleBone said:
Oh please do.

There is a joke about the audience assuming Godzilla's gender, which is taken from a very active and spirited discussion.

Sanjuro · Jul 15, 2019

excelsiorlef said:
Lol

"They were wrong but in a way that makes them right"

IT and Wonder Woman were literally the hits of the summer.

Power Rangers put a ton of heart into the characters and was hardly trash

Please

That wasn't the point though.

Icemonk191 · Jul 15, 2019

Lashley said:
Rich Evan's being a shit heel doesnt make the BotW videos any less entertaining.

Just like Mel Gibson being a cunt didn't make Lethal Weapon suddenly bad.

If you're still watching someone who's racist and sexist because you still find them entertaining that says alot about you.

PhoncipleBone · Jul 15, 2019

Vincent Alexander said:
I found it and updated post. Was a little slow, sorry! Should've waited to post.

Added thread mark. Thank you.

DevilMayGuy · Jul 15, 2019

Icemonk191 said:
If you're still watching someone who's racist and sexist because you still find them entertaining that says alot about you.

It literally only says they enjoy that content. Anything else is you projecting.

Surfinn · Jul 15, 2019

Vincent Alexander said:
You should add their shitty remarks from review of Godzilla. I will try to find the specific quote.

Found it.

These guys suck. Add it to the pile

Icemonk191 · Jul 15, 2019

Doomguy Fieri said:
RLM is some of the funniest stuff on Youtube, but Mike definitely has woman hating energy, Jay can be a weird little creep, and Rich has not grown out of that phase where saying something really gross or inappropriate is comedy. The occasional unfortunate take but mostly harmless. This isn't red pilling or white nationalism disguised as movie reviews.

No it's not. How do you think sexist and racist ideas spread?

ZattMurdock · Jul 15, 2019

I don't remember really when I stopped giving them clicks or even the reason why, but it was around 2 years ago and for the reasons enlisted by PhoncipleBone on his OP, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

knightmarre · Jul 15, 2019

I like their content but Rich Evans does come off as very ignorant on certain subjects.

PhoncipleBone · Jul 15, 2019

Icemonk191 said:
No it's not. How do you think sexist and racist ideas spread?

Death by a thousand cuts. It shouldn't be spread no matter how minor.

Khanimus · Jul 15, 2019

NoMoreTrolls said:
It literally only says they enjoy that content. Anything else is you projecting.

So in a thread about their history of bigoted comments, your response is "I enjoy their content" and think that in no way reflects upon you?

Icemonk191 · Jul 15, 2019

NoMoreTrolls said:
It literally only says they enjoy that content. Anything else is you projecting.

And like I said if someone being a racist and sexist doesn't stop you from watching them that says something about you. Not very good things.

Kuro · Jul 15, 2019

RLM has always been wack. I really can't stand youtube channels that aren't related to food anyways. Never understood the love for gaming and film/tv based youtube personalities. I'll enjoy the occasional video breaking down a game or film but I don't see the reason why they end up with cult followings.

StallionDan · Jul 15, 2019

CenturionNami said:
A bunch of angry neckbeards that want to hate everything new. No thanks.

It's so clear they hate the new Star Wars films because they don't degrade women anymore.

They like Force Awakens though. Solo too.

Lashley · Jul 15, 2019

Icemonk191 said:
If you're still watching someone who's racist and sexist because you still find them entertaining that says alot about you.

Piss off with this shit

Mandius · Jul 15, 2019

I was radicalised by Lightning Fast VCR Repair.

Seesaw15 · Jul 15, 2019

NoMoreTrolls said:
Also what's with this push to ban discussion of e every single thing that a portion of the site disagrees with? Just ignore threads about those things; it's not like the forum is totally riddled with RLM threads other than the community OT and the multiple threads we've had today to call them out.
I understand some serially problematic people getting silenced here, like Boogie, but I don't think RLM has nearly the problem/content ratio that Boogie does, given that they mostly talk innocuous shit about movies outside of the few instances in the OP.

I think with youtubers its less about banning discussion outright and more about not wanting to use the forum to make threads that promote videos that gives them ad revenue. Like if Mike or Rich posted the stuff they said on Era they'd be banned so its seems reasonable not to host their content.

Tanerian · Jul 15, 2019

No thanks Jeff. Fucking love RLM.
HitB and Best of the Worst are great. So are their Re:views.

Their opinions on movies are closer to mine than any other reviewers, making them the most reliable reviews for me.

BassForever · Jul 15, 2019

excelsiorlef said:
Lol

"They were wrong but in a way that makes them right"

IT and Wonder Woman were literally the hits of the summer.

Power Rangers put a ton of heart into the characters and was hardly trash

Please

This is a good job of avoiding context of the video in question and only reacting to the gif. The whole point of the video was the creative bankruptcy of Hollywood largely because of endless remakes, sequels, and super hero movies.

And power rangers was awful, so they got 5/7 right even isolating that gif, that puts them at a better ratio for predicting if something will be good or bad then the average era user.

DevilMayGuy · Jul 15, 2019

Icemonk191 said:
And like I said if someone being a racist and sexist doesn't stop you from watching them that says something about you. Not very good things.

Watching content is not endorsing their every viewpoint, of which they have more than a few bad ones. You are free to have that standard for yourself that you will not consume any content by anyone who has ever had a problematic viewpoint, but I don't elect to do the same. If that means that Icemonk191 from ResetEra thinks less of me, then I'll have to find a way to cope.

SushiReese · Jul 15, 2019

So we cancel RLM now?

Cpt-GargameL · Jul 15, 2019

I don't watch them because I don't enjoy their content or find them funny. I rather watch Double Toasted any day over them.

Griselbrand · Jul 15, 2019

super anime man 64 said:
the RLM OT will not like this topic lol.

but I agree. I just find them obnoxious now. Their fanbase is even worse.

I went there after the last thread was closed. Some people quickly making excuses but at least they got called on it.

Pretty embarrassing to see people caping for RLM so hard, even in an RLM OT.

MMarston · Jul 15, 2019

Sanjuro said:
What is a valid source of film critic on YouTube?

I mean, you got Tony Zhou, Lindsay Ellis, Dan Olson, Lessons from the Screenplay, etc.

I feel like you would know this lol

Blader · Jul 15, 2019

Kitad said:
Or the Brie Larson thing, they mostly complained about how she is acting like a bastion of gender equality while just being a rich white actress from Hollywood who made a mediocre movie and nothing else. They also praised Daisy Ridley constantly when TFA came out and if they were sexists wouldn't they have joined the hate against her?

Brie Larson might be a rich white actress but whatever bearing you think that has on her, or anyone's, feminism is irrelevant to a review of Captain Marvel.

Khanimus · Jul 15, 2019

Tanerian said:
No thanks Jeff. Fucking love RLM.
HitB and Best of the Worst are great. So are their Re:views.

Their opinions on movies are closer to mine than any other reviewers, making them the most reliable reviews for me.

Cool, so no comment on the bigotry then?

Brewm0nt · Jul 15, 2019

I tend to think of them the same way I view some of the dumb shit my band mates would say in the van while on tour. Half of what makes it funny to them is the idea of who can "out-awful" each other the most. Especially Rich Evans. He reminds me of so many people I've known who...while knowing what's right...will just say the contrarian thing because it gets a rise out of people.

DevilMayGuy · Jul 15, 2019

Seesaw15 said:
I think with youtubers its less about banning discussion outright and more about not wanting to use the forum to make threads that promote videos that gives them ad revenue. Like if Mike or Rich posted the stuff they said on Era they'd be banned so its seems reasonable not to host their content.

Okay, but how often does that happen, really? All I've seen for some time are threads shitting on the channel (rightfully in most cases) for problematic viewpoints. I haven't seen much in the way of promotional threads, as most of that just goes on in the OT.

Tzarscream · Jul 15, 2019

I knew something was off when they disliked Rogue One, the joint best Star Wars film.

Icemonk191 · Jul 15, 2019

PhoncipleBone said:
Death by a thousand cuts. It shouldn't be spread no matter how minor.

Exactly. It's amazing how in this day and age people still try to pretend that shit like this doesn't normalize sexism and racism.

Ashlette · Jul 15, 2019

NoMoreTrolls said:
Also what's with this push to ban discussion of every single thing that a portion of the site disagrees with? Just ignore threads about those things; it's not like the forum is totally riddled with RLM threads other than the community OT and the multiple threads we've had today to call them out.
I understand some serially problematic people getting silenced here, like Boogie, but I don't think RLM has nearly the problem/content ratio that Boogie does, given that they mostly talk innocuous shit about movies outside of the few instances in the OP.

Their popularity or racism/non-racism ratio doesn't obscure the bigoted things they've said. Someone can write thousands of reviews and out themselves with a single sentence. Why is redlettermedia suddenly the exception?

Deleted member 8561 · Jul 15, 2019

Almost all of their criticism is aimed at corporate cynicism that is about coopting progressive topics for movie sales and marketing.

And you're also getting mad at Plinkett, who is literally a character. His character is an old, racist, sexist, murderer who kidnaps people and chains them to his heater and forces them to watch Star Wars movies. It's a caricature.

Einchy · Jul 15, 2019

MMarston said:
I mean, you got Tony Zhou, Lindsay Ellis, Dan Olson, Lessons from the Screenplay, etc.

I feel like you would know this lol

Every Frame a Painting spawned a lot of really cool channels that took inspiration from his style. RLM spawned a lot of endless cynical and abrasive trash that took inspiration from their style.

petethepanda · Jul 15, 2019

I used to follow them pretty closely (I still have a Half in the Bag bottle opener just a few inches from my keyboard), but there were a handful of "sjw" references where I couldn't tell if they were being jokey or not, and then that Ghostbusters video that seemed to be using a somewhat valid point to smooth over some tellingly defensive feelings, and I finally had to tap out after they got to the "forced diversity" nonsense with TFA.

Even if that side of the group hadn't started to come out, I think I still would have drifted away by now. Like many people I found my way to them via the Plinkett TPM review, but those videos eventually seemed to become the final step along the path of online Star Wars fandom as a whole defining itself by hatred of half of Star Wars, sneering and cynical. See also that Nerd Crew thing going from a one-off gag to being a recurring series needlessly dunking on people who have the nerve to be enthusiastic about something

Gentlemen · Jul 15, 2019

Illithid Dude said:
cancel them just because they aren't as far left progressive as some might want them to be.

'not as far left progressive' is certainly a way to downplay the unchecked bigotry of Rich Evans all right.

TAJ · Jul 15, 2019

excelsiorlef said:
Lol

"They were wrong but in a way that makes them right"

IT and Wonder Woman were literally the hits of the summer.

Power Rangers put a ton of heart into the characters and was hardly trash

Please

Is this about the endless trash meme?
Those movies weren't out yet when they did that.
EVERYONE thought that IT 2017 was going to be awful at one point.
Wonder Woman was coming off of BvS.
The previous attempt at a Power Rangers movie was a massive failure.

Oh, and they ended up liking all three of those movies.

DevilMayGuy · Jul 15, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Almost all of their criticism is aimed at corporate cynicism that is about coopting progressive topics for movie sales and marketing.

There is certainly a lot of that, but they also certainly say some objectionable shit outside of that lens.

That said, I still find BotW to be some of my favorite content on YouTube. Sometimes my buddies and I will hunt down the best (the Last Vampire) to get blitzed and watch together. It's a good format.

SweetNicole · Jul 15, 2019

I, for one, am truly shocked that someone by the name of NoMoreTrolls would, in fact, a be troll.

SushiReese said:
So we cancel RLM now?

they been cancelled for years bruh

TheLostBigBoss said:
Almost all of their criticism is aimed at corporate cynicism that is about coopting progressive topics for movie sales and marketing.

And you're also getting mad at Plinkett, who is literally a character. His character is an old, racist, sexist, murderer who kidnaps people and chains them to his heater and forces them to watch Star Wars movies. It's a caricature.

you failed to even read the OP:

PhoncipleBone said:
Rhetoric like this would not be tolerated by anyone on this forum, joking or not, and we shouldn't continue to promote those who say such rhetoric. And if it is just a joke, then why do the themes and values continue into their non-character reviews and casual conversations about what they truly believe?

somehow I doubt you clicked on a single link

Deleted member 5666 · Jul 15, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Almost all of their criticism is aimed at corporate cynicism that is about coopting progressive topics for movie sales and marketing.

And you're also getting mad at Plinkett, who is literally a character. His character is an old, racist, sexist, murderer who kidnaps people and chains them to his heater and forces them to watch Star Wars movies. It's a caricature.

They have directly attacked Brie Larson and her feminist views. She isn't a corporation.

Rich Evans attacked women who take part in the women's march. They aren't a corporation.

adj_noun · Jul 15, 2019

Gentlemen said:
'not as far left progressive' is certainly a way to downplay the unchecked bigotry of Rich Evans all right.

Now I'm half-expecting RLM to do a video entitled the Unchecked Bigotry of Rich Evans.

Khanimus · Jul 15, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Almost all of their criticism is aimed at corporate cynicism that is about coopting progressive topics for movie sales and marketing.

And you're also getting mad at Plinkett, who is literally a character. His character is an old, racist, sexist, murderer who kidnaps people and chains them to his heater and forces them to watch Star Wars movies. It's a caricature.

What does the Women's March have to do with corporate cynicism?

What about this?

Deleted member 2109 · Jul 15, 2019

CenturionNami said:
A bunch of angry neckbeards that want to hate everything new. No thanks.

It's so clear they hate the new Star Wars films because they don't degrade women anymore.

That's not why they don't like Star Wars. Look at their review of Annihilation. It's glowing and that's a new unique idea with a diverse all woman cast.

Kitad · Jul 15, 2019

Blader said:
Brie Larson might be a rich white actress but whatever bearing you think that has on her, or anyone's, feminism is irrelevant to a review of Captain Marvel.

Huh? But they've always made fun of the personalities beneath the films. Did you not see the Plinkett reviews and how much they tear into George's psyche? Same thing with TLJ. Rian Johnson was almost the star of that review. They also shitted on both Bill Murray and Paul Fieg on the Ghostbusters review.

DevilMayGuy · Jul 15, 2019

SweetNicole said:
I, for one, am truly shocked that someone by the name of NoMoreTrolls would, in fact, a be troll.

they been cancelled for years bruh

you failed to even read the OP:

somehow I doubt you clicked on a single link

I am sharing genuine views about the channel, which I have already stated to have problematic views. What part of my posts in here constitute trolling? Is anything you find disagreeable trolling?
If this is the way the discussion is headed from here on out, I'll bow out of this thread before further accusations fly. I'm happy to continue talking about it over DMs, with the assurance that I have been genuine in this thread about still enjoying the majority of their content despite their sometimes problematic views. I'm truly nonplussed at the trolling accusation, and apologize if anyone mistook my posts as a dishonest or bad faith argument.

Ashlette · Jul 15, 2019

Khanimus said:
Cool, so no comment on the bigotry then?

Them in a nutshell:

Seductivpancakes · Jul 15, 2019

Don't these guys weave racist and sexist jokes into their content?

If that's the case, I don't know how anyone can watch those videos and claim it's just entertainment and doesn't affect them, unless you tolerate that kind of behavior.

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