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9/11: 102 Minutes That Changed America
- Thread starter BossAttack
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Watched. I remember having to go to work that day, retail on the west coast and it SAS strange. And then the liquor store next to us had Sikh that had to put up with garbage people.
Rip to those of 9/11
Rip to those of 9/11
It did unify the country but instead of passing meaningful reforms, we used once in a 100 years opportunity to go kill brown people.
I agree. I remember it still. I was in High School and it seemed like America had turned insane in the aftermath, including high schoolers around me.
I was a budding antiwar student after learning about Vietnam, lie started wars and regime changes, the lies of the first Gulf war, etc. Being antiwar then meant you were a 'conspiracy' person. And yet Bush and Co committed a lie as it was told to go into other countries.
Usually I just stay away from 9/11 imagery because I don't feel like there's any real benefit to myself personally to relive a collective trauma like that, especially since I was never in a position to do anything significant about the geopolitical response in the aftermath. I'm not going to "forget;" the memories and details are burned into my brain.
But I am mad today, because the senselessness of it all is perfectly clear now that the "war" is over. What was the fucking point to any of this? What are we as a country going to take away from this going forward, that after one of the biggest terror attacks in history, we flushed an incalculable amount of money, time, and human life down the toilet for two fucking decades, only for... the Taliban to just take over Afghanistan anyway?
Seriously, that's it. Everything about this timeline of events is a fucking joke. The victims died for fuck all. Our soldiers died or returned broken for fuck all. So many Afghans, Pakistanis, Iranians, and others died for fuck all. Those of us who suffered under the blight of the nationalistic and racist backlash suffered for fuck all. The people responsible for this suffering are not going to see anything remotely resembling justice, and considering the toll of the devastation and crimes across these 20 years I don't think you could meter enough justice that would make things okay anyway. Ultimately, we had every opportunity and advantage to create a better world than what these poor people were forced to leave behind, and we deliberately didn't.
I'm so fucking pissed off I don't even know what to do with myself.
But I am mad today, because the senselessness of it all is perfectly clear now that the "war" is over. What was the fucking point to any of this? What are we as a country going to take away from this going forward, that after one of the biggest terror attacks in history, we flushed an incalculable amount of money, time, and human life down the toilet for two fucking decades, only for... the Taliban to just take over Afghanistan anyway?
Seriously, that's it. Everything about this timeline of events is a fucking joke. The victims died for fuck all. Our soldiers died or returned broken for fuck all. So many Afghans, Pakistanis, Iranians, and others died for fuck all. Those of us who suffered under the blight of the nationalistic and racist backlash suffered for fuck all. The people responsible for this suffering are not going to see anything remotely resembling justice, and considering the toll of the devastation and crimes across these 20 years I don't think you could meter enough justice that would make things okay anyway. Ultimately, we had every opportunity and advantage to create a better world than what these poor people were forced to leave behind, and we deliberately didn't.
I'm so fucking pissed off I don't even know what to do with myself.
I believe I was in 3rd or 4th grade at the time when this happened. The teacher had the classroom TV on the news and we saw the towers coming down. Since I was young I didn't quite understand the impact of it, but once I developed more on an emotional level I realized just how tragic it was.
It doesn't scare me anymore, cause I know the planes are high enough not to hit anything. Still see the image in my mind though
As someone who had family and friends harassed, threatened, beaten in America. We felt no unification and I imagine the millions of others who shared the religion didn't either.
Unless you want to argue it unified people in their hatred of brown and black American Muslims, Sikh, and anyone who looked remotely like they could be Muslim
I get it. I don't really find jokes about tragedies funny but I know, for some people, it's cathartic. It's a way to deal with trauma. I understand it.
Come on now, you got the bad guy in the end! I remember Obama came out and made a really cool, catchy soundbite statement!
I know you're being sarcastic but you know what's also mind blowing. The Taliban offered to give him up to Bush and he didn't take the deal.
I feel like Gore would have been prepared and it might have possibly been prevented. After all, Clinton did warn Bush and Bush did jack shit about it until after it happened and even then did the wrong fucking thing and fucked the whole world for the next 20 years. I fucking hate Republicans.
I don't know if it's better that it happened so early in the day because had it happened later on the towers might have been a lot more full and the streets would have a lot more people. It could have been much worse. But it really should never have happened.
I don't know if it's better that it happened so early in the day because had it happened later on the towers might have been a lot more full and the streets would have a lot more people. It could have been much worse. But it really should never have happened.
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That's not what happened. I know in hindsight we should've avoided a protracted war, but that is a fiction. They did technically offer but under terms so wild no sane person would accept.
As I mentioned in the other thread, it's astonishing that this tragedy occurred 20 years ago. It's difficult for me to remember exactly what I did that day.
This day still feels traumatic to witness. :(
This day still feels traumatic to witness. :(
Doubt. Clinton had chances to get Osama, but never bothered too. Majority of planning happened between 1999 and 2000. The CIA and FBI had intelligence. They were warned by other countries. Nothing was done. Bush was also warned on August 6th, 2001 about future attacks.
9/11 was a result of failures from both administrations. 9/11 would've happened under Al Gore either way. Response would've been different, though.
Well that's at least a given. Sure as hell wouldn't have taken us to war with the wrong country.
The worst things are we'll never know how different things would be under Gore or Hillary.
Everyone in awhile I'll check out the ATC/FAA/NORAD audio tapes. From the initial understanding of what is going on in the air, to the military scrambling jets.
intense
intense
I was there. The walk back to where my mom and I were staying was the most stunningly quiet mass gathering.
Wow I didn't know this existed. I wonder how they got all the tapes.
New Yorker here. Was only in 6th grade, and the teachers didn't actually tell us until the end of the day. But leading up to dismissal time, name after name was read on the loud speaker as parents came to pick up their kids. The day normally ended at 2pm but they held us until 6pm. Finally the school buses took us home.
Almost every year I still get nightmares about that day. I'm either in a plane that crashes or I'm in the city and the building's windows all burst and shatter. For years after I couldn't even look at the sky when there was a plane flying.
I can't imagine what it's like for survivors that were in the actual vicinity.
Almost every year I still get nightmares about that day. I'm either in a plane that crashes or I'm in the city and the building's windows all burst and shatter. For years after I couldn't even look at the sky when there was a plane flying.
I can't imagine what it's like for survivors that were in the actual vicinity.
You basically summed up my thoughts. Obviously Al Qaeda and those who assisted them should have faced major consequences. But the lack of long term planning, along with the pointless diversion to Iraq and installing puppet dictatorships under the guise of democracy made it all for nothing.