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720p no longer listed as "HD" in Youtube

BasilZero

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Anyone notice this?

Kinda interesting that they dont consider it HD even if it is a lowest standard of HD, shouldnt it still be considered HD since what comes after 1080p is considered as "4K" and "8K"?


Edit: 1440k is also HD - forgot about that lol.
 
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ILikeFeet

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Switch is no longer an HD system!

also, it still is HD since what is HD is determined by a group (kinda dumb, but whatever)
 
Arc

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HD and "Full HD" was always confusing. If it's not full HD then how can you call it HD?
 
Potterson

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Is it because they promised to lower everything to SD and they will just lower it to 720p cause "its not HD"? :D
 
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BasilZero said:
Anyone notice this?

Kinda interesting that they dont consider it HD even if it is a lowest standard of HD, shouldnt it still be considered HD since what comes after 1080p is considered as "4K" and "8K"?


Edit: 1440k is also HD - forgot about that lol.
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Resolution/DCI standard/PR speak to sell tellies. No wonder my nan still doesn't know what HD is :D
 
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I think there is much of a difference I can tell between a 720p or 1080p youtube video anyway to be quite honest.
 

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John Kowalski said:
There's no standard... it's a colloquial notion. It's like saying the fifth generation of consoles or lofi technology. It's not a standard, but contextually agreed nomenclatures.
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The Advanced Televisions Systems Committee actually does define "high definition" broadcasts as being roughly twice as much resolution as SD broadcast (defined by the NTSC standard, referred to as "conventional" in this exerpt because it's the ATSC 1.0 standard, i.e. 480 vertical lines) in a 16:9 aspect ratio:

High-definition television (HDTV) – High-definition television has a resolution of approximately twice that of conventional television in both the horizontal (H) and vertical (V) dimensions and a picture aspect ratio (H × V) of 16:9. ITU-R Recommendation 1125 further defines "HDTV quality" as the delivery of a television picture which is subjectively identical with the interlaced HDTV studio standard.
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720p meets this definition.
 
julia crawford

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Krejlooc said:
The Advanced Televisions Systems Committee actually does define "high definition" broadcasts as being roughly twice as much resolution as SD broadcast (defined by the NTSC standard, referred to as "conventional" in this exerpt because it's the ATSC 1.0 standard, i.e. 480 vertical lines) in a 16:9 aspect ratio:

720p meets this definition.
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Huh. Well, that's not very good standard naming to be honest. There's only so many superlatives.
 

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good. 720p video is bad. the only 720p i use these days is on my Switch which is fine there.

all videos should default to 1080p unless 720p is the highest available quality.
 
TheOne

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It's really not all that complicated nor confusing now, is it? Why would you change this common nomenclature that has been used for decades now? I don't see the benefit from doing so. In fact, in light of the corona virus outbreak, it would actually make sense to rename 480p as "HD" to fool people into thinking they are watching HD content, in order to diminish bandwidth use.

480i = SD
480p = ED
720p = HD
1080p = FHD
1440p = QHD
2160p = 4K
4320p = 8K
 
DiipuSurotu

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You can complaint all you want, but YouTube (AKA Google) has the power the change the standard. If they say 720p is not HD then everyone else will progressively follow suit.
 

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WillJoe said:
good. 720p video is bad. the only 720p i use these days is on my Switch which is fine there.

all videos should default to 1080p unless 720p is the highest available quality.
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Not nearly as bad as native res displays that suck at it and aren't made for it whereas 720p or 240p on crts do just fine.
 

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720p can be a good resolution to use if you have a 1440p monitor as 720p can be integer scaled to 1440p. If you have a 1440p monitor and want something to look as sharp as possible, a 720p video will actually look sharper than a 1080p video.
 
ILikeFeet

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wonder how long until Youtube (and others like Netflix) does AI Upscaling to preserve bandwidth
 

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DiipuSurotu said:
You can complaint all you want, but YouTube (AKA Google) has the power the change the standard. If they say 720p is not HD then everyone else will progressively follow suit.
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No they don't. The standard is adopted and enforced by the FCC, and regulated by the ATSC, which is a non-profit entity that is comprised of members of several large entities, kind of like the DVD Forum.
 
Steiner_Zi

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Krejlooc said:
720p can be a good resolution to use if you have a 1440p monitor as 720p can be integer scaled to 1440p. If you have a 1440p monitor and want something to look as sharp as possible, a 720p video will actually look sharper than a 1080p video.
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Is this really true? Despite the integer thing 1080p still has so many more pixels than 720p.
 
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Krejlooc said:
720p can be a good resolution to use if you have a 1440p monitor as 720p can be integer scaled to 1440p. If you have a 1440p monitor and want something to look as sharp as possible, a 720p video will actually look sharper than a 1080p video.
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Isn't this only noticeable with 2D, pixel art graphics?
 
Sacrilicious

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Steiner_Zi said:
Is this really true? Despite the integer thing 1080p still has so many more pixels than 720p.
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It causes artifacts like the bottom one in this image, with inaccurate edge colors due to pixel interpolation, so integer multiples will look significantly cleaner. Going down to 720p would mean dropping every third row/column. The artifacts are about as common so it depends if you want a crisp, accurate image with some added pixelation or an (often not very well) interpolated one at higher resolution.

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RedHeat

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Good. 720 should've never been called "HD" in the first place.
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It causes artifacts like the bottom one in this image, with inaccurate edge colors due to pixel interpolation, so integer multiples will look significantly cleaner. Going down to 720p would mean dropping every third row/column. The artifacts are about as common so it depends if you want a crisp, accurate image with some added pixelation or an (often not very well) interpolated one at higher resolution.

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I probably already know the answer, but why does 1080p on 4k still have "blurred" edges on text and stuff despite it seeming a 'perfect' fit scaling-wise?
 
Sacrilicious

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RedHeat said:
Good. 720 should've never been called "HD" in the first place.

I probably already know the answer, but why does 1080p on 4k still have "blurred" edges on text and stuff despite it seeming a 'perfect' fit scaling-wise?
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Integer scaling is just one option, so it isn't always used to upscale 1080p to 4k. Sometimes interpolation is still applied to reduce pixelation, it's just not required the way it is with non-integer scaling.

What form of scaling is used depends on the monitor/hardware. From quick googling it seems like Nvidia and AMD GPUs will only use bilinear filtering so most people recommend letting the monitor handle upscaling instead.

EDIT: it seems like most displays don't use integer scaling either, but those that do shouldn't contribute any blurring
 
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