70 year old Asian American attacked in San Francisco

[Bengraven]

I don't think you're generalizing. The problem is that there are more Asians in SF. More Asians mean more chances of seeing stuff like this. There are also bad faith arguments about how red states like Mississippi (this is just a random example) where stuff like this doesn't happen. Probably because there are maybe 5 Asians living there in total.

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This makes sense. I was also wondering why the west coast, especially places like California and Oregon, had so much Asian hate crimes at least in comparison to other states when I read the news.

But also even in my small Midwest town, my friend had to escort his wife to Walmart every week to protect her for a few months during COVID. Both are Laotian but accused of being Chinese even by people in my small fucking town who KNEW THEM THEIR ENTIRE LIFE.

 

[ccbfan]

But also even in my small Midwest town, my friend had to escort his wife to Walmart every week to protect her for a few months during COVID. Both are Laotian but accused of being Chinese even by people in my small fucking town who KNEW THEM THEIR ENTIRE LIFE.

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So are you saying its OK for them to be hate crimed if they were Chinese?

 

[Aurora]

So are you saying its OK for them to be hate crimed if they were Chinese?

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This is not the gotcha you think it is.

 

[ccbfan]

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

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If you think thats a gotcha then no wonder all the asians left.

 

[Bengraven]

So are you saying its OK for them to be hate crimed if they were Chinese?

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Do you seriously think I was trying to imply that? Are we grasping at straws that badly to demonize people or "catch secret racists" on the forum?

No I do not. I was pointing out that the hate was due to the coronavirus and ignorance about Chinese people spreading it to the point that even people who knew someone's ethnicity were "conveniently forgetting it" to verbally harass a man and his wife for what the racists believed to be just causes. That by calling them Chinese it proved the root of their hatred and ignorance was in regards to the virus.

 

[Disco Infernal]

So are you saying its OK for them to be hate crimed if they were Chinese?

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Thats what you took from their post?

 

[g23]

So are you saying its OK for them to be hate crimed if they were Chinese?

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If you think thats a gotcha then no wonder all the asians left.

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Holy shit, people really need to learn how to contextualize and read the room before posting.....

Do you seriously think I was trying to imply that? Are we grasping at straws that badly to demonize people or "catch secret racists" on the forum?

No I do not. I was pointing out that the hate was due to the coronavirus and ignorance about Chinese people spreading it to the point that even people who knew someone's ethnicity were "conveniently forgetting it" to verbally harass a man and his wife for what the racists believed to be just causes. That by calling them Chinese it proved the root of their hatred and ignorance was in regards to the virus.

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I'm truly sorry you even had to explain this...

 

[Aurora]

If you think thats a gotcha then no wonder all the asians left.

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Should I disclose the fact that I'm ethnically Hong Kong Chinese? I typically don't engage in irl threads or disclose anything about my real life identity but if you're wondering why the asians left, maybe look in a mirror for a start.

 

[mbpm]

What a derailment

 

[ccbfan]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

 

[Wil Grieve]

So are you saying its OK for them to be hate crimed if they were Chinese?

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Quite literally no one here suggested this until you showed up.

 

[Aurora]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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As annoyed as I am right now I know this energy will pass, and I hope you will take the moment to cool off as well.

 

[valuv]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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You're treating lifelong neighbours suddenly taking a racist approach by generalizing all asian people = Chinese to meaning there was a micro aggression against the Chinese? What education system resulted in such a failure of critical thought and understanding so I can get where you're coming from?

 

[g23]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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I'm Asian and I'm still here.

& where exactly are you pulling this crazy notion that the Asian community left from? Let's see some receipts. How would you even quantify that since as far as I know most people don't even disclose their race on this forum.

 

[Disco Infernal]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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They didn't leave based on anything as stupid as what you're currently engaged in. Good lord.

 

[Bengraven]

I don't want to contribute to any marginalization of Asian communities. As I mentioned, I grew up alongside people of Laotian as well as Vietnamese descent and would rather not be taken as a racist for pointing out how racist my white hometown is.

So if what I said was taken badly by the Asian community I am okay having my account banned. You all have had it hard enough the last few decades.

 

[Leafshield]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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The person you responded to was saying 'my stupid racist neighbours can't tell Asian peoples apart and accused Laotians they've known their entire life of being Chinese when they were trying to blame Chinese-Americans re. Covid'. They weren't saying 'it would have been totally fine if those racists were attacking the latter instead.'

 

[Dreams-Visions]

It appears that another attack happened over the weekend in NYC:

Man Arrested in Hate-Fueled Box Cutter Ambush of 59-Year-Old Woman in Times Square

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WTF

 

[Pet]

The person you responded to was saying 'my stupid racist neighbours can't tell Asian peoples apart and accused Laotians they've known their entire life of being Chinese when they were trying to blame Chinese-Americans re. Covid'. They weren't saying 'it would have been totally fine if those racists were attacking the latter instead.'

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It's depressing that it needs to be said, but here we are I guess.

I've certainly read enough posts where people think certain things can be said about other people and it's okay because they're the right type of wrong Asian, unfortunately.

And I've *definitely* seen the sentiment expressed where someone goes "they aren't even Chinese," without realizing what they're implying was that it would have not been a problem if they were.

Plenty of Chinese people are a bit on edge thanks to the increased sinophobia that has resulted in, among other things, the very attack that this thread is about.

I always think about WW2 as one of the more blatant examples of this. Chinese people wore pins that said "I'm Chinese" or "Not Japanese," because there was so much anti-Japanese sentiment. Unfortunately, in some ways "don't attack me, I'm not Japanese" is sort of saying "I don't care if you attack Japanese people, just leave me out of it."

& we see that same (unintentional, hopefully) mindset now. Obviously not everyone and everywhere, but it shouldn't exist at all.

I didn't get that impression of "it would have been fine if the racists were attacking Chinese people instead of unrelated Laos people," but maybe someone else did since that sort of rhetoric is quite common.

 

[krazen]

Ehh, Ignore the bad faith troll guys.

There's been a long history of anti-Asian crimes in America since the first Asians settled to literally build this country. That said, this current 'racist and proud' wave is strictly at the feet of politicians who spent years effectively blaming China for our late stage capitalism woes and subsequently the pandemic. I don't know a way around it since sadly the othering is so effective and not called out at all, its weird how the media will call out a gory incident as the usual 'bleeds = leads' ratings grabber but when someone in power says some blatantly racist shit kinda play it off as patriotism and politics and not call it out.

 

[Hoa]

What do you mean by this?

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Probably meant that it seems like a lot of these hate crimes (or at least the major reported ones) have been taking place in California and New York, although I'm sure it happens often in other states as well.

Hope they can find them and arrest them, tired of dumbass people and the unnecessary violence they bring.

 

[Powdered Egg]

Let's keep in mind the post George Floyd anti-Blackness going on.

The powers that be don't actually care about Asian people. The news signal boosts the hell out of anti Asian attacks when the perps are Black, so that anti-Black sentiment can fester. They tried the whole "see Blacks are the REAL racists!" thing two years ago with signal boosting anti-Semitism in the Black community but that didn't stick. So they moved on to footage after footage of Blacks attacking Asians when whites are the ones lopsidingly commiting those crimes.

New report analyzes race of perpetrators in anti-Asian attacks (Debunking the Black/Asian scapegoat) News

I saw this report last night, but wanted to make a dedicated thread about it, because I've noticed that the discussion on Era seems to be continually framed as "How can Black and Asian folk amend their relations?" I feel like this immediately implies that Black folk have been disproportionately...

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[Dreams-Visions]

I don't want to contribute to any marginalization of Asian communities. As I mentioned, I grew up alongside people of Laotian as well as Vietnamese descent and would rather not be taken as a racist for pointing out how racist my white hometown is.

So if what I said was taken badly by the Asian community I am okay having my account banned. You all have had it hard enough the last few decades.

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You didn't say anything that poster implied. Don't let the troll discourage or silence you.

Let's keep in mind the post George Floyd anti-Blackness going on.

The powers that be don't actually care about Asian people. The news signal boosts the hell out of anti Asian attacks when the perps are Black, so that anti-Black sentiment can fester. They tried the whole "see Blacks are the REAL racists!" thing two years ago with signal boosting anti-Semitism in the Black community but that didn't stick. So they moved on to footage after footage of Blacks attacking Asians when whites are the ones lopsidingly commiting those crimes.

New report analyzes race of perpetrators in anti-Asian attacks (Debunking the Black/Asian scapegoat) News

I saw this report last night, but wanted to make a dedicated thread about it, because I've noticed that the discussion on Era seems to be continually framed as "How can Black and Asian folk amend their relations?" I feel like this immediately implies that Black folk have been disproportionately...

www.resetera.com

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Always good to keep back of mind.

 

[Ashhong]

I can't bring myself to read the article or watch the video. This shit is maddening.

 

[Deleted member 4461]

I don't think you're generalizing. The problem is that there are more Asians in SF. More Asians mean more chances of seeing stuff like this. There are also bad faith arguments about how red states like Mississippi (this is just a random example) where stuff like this doesn't happen. Probably because there are maybe 5 Asians living there in total.

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Ahhh, in retrospect, that makes sense. Demographics should have been the first thing I thought about. But I was also wondering about the reports of increased crime around there in general.

What do you mean by this?

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Exactly what I asked!

What's up with California is the question, and the answer is that due to the elimination of Prop 47 as well as several other changes, crimes (especially theft) have risen tremendously. Combine that with rising prices in gas, food and more and it's becoming a recipe for madness. My neighbor's car was stolen recently, they caught the guy that did it but he was out the next day. There aren't any consequences for stealing unless you're robbing a bank it feels like.

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That tracks. Plus it's Summer and all.

 

[Pet]

Also since we have a ton of Asians in this thread, I will plug the Asian-ERA since pretty much all the active members in that thread left or were banned.

Asian ERA |OT| We don't AGE

First-- you don't have to be Asian to post here. Second, every kind of Asian is welcome. Welcome to AsianERA, a space intended for, but not limited to, English speaking people of Asian descent/ethnicity. As many, but not all, of us are not far removed from the cultural influences of our family...

www.resetera.com

 

[Isilia]

Cruel/Racist people can be any age

Hope she recovers. Though, mentally, she may never will

 

[Keuja]

70-year-old woman brutally beaten, kicked in head by 4 attackers in SF housing complex

Link to Article

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FYI that thread got locked because it was a shock thread.

But yes, this is just awful

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For other communities, it would have been considered a thread to raise awareness about racist/xenophobic/anti LGBT attacks. When it is about asians and the exacerbated violence they face since COVID, it is a "shock thread". I guess the mod might not have seen the big picture but it's sad to be honest.

Edit: thanks Mods for clarifying.

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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Maybe learn to contextualize before putting words in people's mouth. You're not helping by throwing wild accusations...

 

[hanshen]

For other communities, it would have been considered a thread to raise awareness about racist/xenophobic/anti LGBT attacks. When it is about asians and the exacerbated violence they face since COVID, it is a "shock thread". I guess the mod might not have seen the big picture but it's sad to be honest.


Maybe learn to contextualize before putting words in people's mouth. You're not helping by throwing wild accusations...

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Oh they know full well what they're doing. People in Asian ERA OT raised a lot of these issues like how double standard in moderation is applied when it comes to Asian related topics. And they got banned.

 

[Advance.Wars.Sgt.]

Disgusting abhorrent and unacceptable behavior. Whenever the culprits get caught I hope they get the fullest extent of the law applied to them.

 

[S-Wind]

A lot of people left in 2019 due to the frustration over how Asia related discussions often go down here.

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That, and how such incidents were handled, or not handled, by some of the mods.

As I've said before this place's "progressiveness" is overwhelmingly White People Progressive™

This place is progressive for issues that affect White People: LGBTQIA, ableism, fatphobia, etc. The mods here can have hair-trigger reactions to stamping out transgressions that affect the aforementioned, but when it comes to issues that affect Asians....

 

[S-Wind]

I'm Asian and I'm still here.

& where exactly are you pulling this crazy notion that the Asian community left from? Let's see some receipts. How would you even quantify that since as far as I know most people don't even disclose their race on this forum.

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Are you new here?

It was a big deal among Asian-Era when it happened. Go read about it is the [mostly dead] Asian-Era thread in the Community sub-forum. A massive chunk of Asian-Era left for Discord

 

[Wackamole]

I just don't understand how you are able to do a thing like this. I really can't.

 

[Midramble]

Monstrous cowards.

The theft and mugging in the bay feels like it's out of hand. You have whole massive pawn shops and street venders dedicated to selling stolen goods. They've gotten brazen about it.

C-town civilian patrols and cameras seem to have little to no effect.

 

[hanshen]

That, and how such incidents were handled, or not handled, by some of the mods.

As I've said before this place's "progressiveness" is overwhelmingly White People Progressive™

This place is progressive for issues that affect White People: LGBTQIA, ableism, fatphobia, etc. The mods here can have hair-trigger reactions to stamping out transgressions that affect the aforementioned, but when it comes to issues that affect Asians....

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Didn't some Leftist communities here also leave, mostly because of how unbearably centrist this place can be? I mostly avoid talking about politics here now, it's just not worth it.

 

[S-Wind]

Didn't some Leftist communities here also leave, mostly because of how unbearably centrist this place can be? I mostly avoid talking about politics here now, it's just not worth it.

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That I am less familiar with.

 

[Pet]

Monstrous cowards.

The theft and mugging in the bay feels like it's out of hand. You have whole massive pawn shops and street venders dedicated to selling stolen goods. They've gotten brazen about it.

C-town civilian patrols and cameras seem to have little to no effect.

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It's sad- even five years ago, SF was one of the cities I liked visiting just to do some overpriced shopping, eating, and chilling.

Now, I honestly have little interest in returning. Sounds like there's so much crime, especially targeted Asian crime, that it's not worth the risk.

 

[swimming]

shit like this makes me so scared for my family. blood is boiling. just so sad.

 

[SecondNature]

My mom is going to SF soon for a work trip but now Im concerned. Im generally concerned when she goes to America, but is there specific spots she shouldnt go? All i know is she saw the golden gate bridge last time, so I guess she was around that area

 

[B-Dubs]

OK, so that first thread should not have been locked. It was a mistake on our part and we apologize. There were a number of issues concerning the poster who made the thread that were trying to be cleaned up at the time and that thread was mistakenly caught in the crossfire. Again, we admit that it was a mess up and apologize for that. We already have a carve out in the shock threads policy for threads and topics like this and will be reviewing it with the entire team at our next staff meeting to ensure this doesn't happen again.

Again, this was a mistaken on our part and we apologize for that and will work to try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

And with that said, let's try to keep it on topic. It's true that this deserves attention and discussion, so let's give it that.

 

[nilbog]

My mom is going to SF soon for a work trip but now Im concerned. Im generally concerned when she goes to America, but is there specific spots she shouldnt go? All i know is she saw the golden gate bridge last time, so I guess she was around that area

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I say try to avoid anywhere after dark, especially the Tenderloin. Tourist areas should be fine during the day.

The best tip I can give you is be very careful of where you park, as vehicle smash and grabs are rampant all over the city. Try to park in a visible, open location. If you see broken glass in every parking space, that's not where you want to park.

 

[Arugala]

That I am less familiar with.

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The tankies left or were banned

 

[Richiek]

Let's keep in mind the post George Floyd anti-Blackness going on.

The powers that be don't actually care about Asian people. The news signal boosts the hell out of anti Asian attacks when the perps are Black, so that anti-Black sentiment can fester. They tried the whole "see Blacks are the REAL racists!" thing two years ago with signal boosting anti-Semitism in the Black community but that didn't stick. So they moved on to footage after footage of Blacks attacking Asians when whites are the ones lopsidingly commiting those crimes.

New report analyzes race of perpetrators in anti-Asian attacks (Debunking the Black/Asian scapegoat) News

I saw this report last night, but wanted to make a dedicated thread about it, because I've noticed that the discussion on Era seems to be continually framed as "How can Black and Asian folk amend their relations?" I feel like this immediately implies that Black folk have been disproportionately...

www.resetera.com

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Sadly, r/asianamerican on reddit is full of anti black posts with the recent news of of these attacks. Hell, even my own family (Dad, sister and brother in law) have bought into the whole "blacks are out to get Asians" rhetotic.

 

[NexusCell]

Let's keep in mind the post George Floyd anti-Blackness going on.

The powers that be don't actually care about Asian people. The news signal boosts the hell out of anti Asian attacks when the perps are Black, so that anti-Black sentiment can fester. They tried the whole "see Blacks are the REAL racists!" thing two years ago with signal boosting anti-Semitism in the Black community but that didn't stick. So they moved on to footage after footage of Blacks attacking Asians when whites are the ones lopsidingly commiting those crimes.

New report analyzes race of perpetrators in anti-Asian attacks (Debunking the Black/Asian scapegoat) News

I saw this report last night, but wanted to make a dedicated thread about it, because I've noticed that the discussion on Era seems to be continually framed as "How can Black and Asian folk amend their relations?" I feel like this immediately implies that Black folk have been disproportionately...

www.resetera.com

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Everytime I see an Asian American attack and I see an black person as the attacker I can only shake my head because I know how much it will get amplified in the Asian American community. My dad (who is a first generation immigrant) has basically become full on racist against black people because the older Asian community is constantly sharing these anedotes and stories about feeling unsafe.

Sadly, r/asianamerican on reddit is full of anti black posts with the recent news of of these attacks. Hell, even my own family (Dad, sister and brother in law) have bought into the whole "blacks are out to get Asians" rhetotic.

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Exact same story as my dad.

A lot of the older 1st generation Asian communities have become incredibly anti-black in the past two years. Even if you can convince them that attacks aren't being carried out by only black people, it only takes another new story for them to slide right back into attacking black people. My siblings have given up on trying to change my dad's mind, since for every minute we spend talking, he spends another 10 minutes being exposed to new stories by his friends.

 

[Thordinson]

That tracks. Plus it's Summer and all.

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It's much less Prop 47 and much more visible poverty. Crime is no longer just in the areas for the poors so other folks are finally seeing what we have always seen.

 

[rokkerkory]

This is just so sad :(

 

[Vex]

OK, so that first thread should not have been locked. It was a mistake on our part and we apologize. There were a number of issues concerning the poster who made the thread that were trying to be cleaned up at the time and that thread was mistakenly caught in the crossfire. Again, we admit that it was a mess up and apologize for that. We already have a carve out in the shock threads policy for threads and topics like this and will be reviewing it with the entire team at our next staff meeting to ensure this doesn't happen again.

Again, this was a mistaken on our part and we apologize for that and will work to try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

And with that said, let's try to keep it on topic. It's true that this deserves attention and discussion, so let's give it that.

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Just saw this. This is progress. I'm glad you all are open to change/correction. Outstanding.

Thank you, Mr. Dubs. 👍

 

[S-Wind]

OK, so that first thread should not have been locked. It was a mistake on our part and we apologize. There were a number of issues concerning the poster who made the thread that were trying to be cleaned up at the time and that thread was mistakenly caught in the crossfire. Again, we admit that it was a mess up and apologize for that. We already have a carve out in the shock threads policy for threads and topics like this and will be reviewing it with the entire team at our next staff meeting to ensure this doesn't happen again.

Again, this was a mistaken on our part and we apologize for that and will work to try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

And with that said, let's try to keep it on topic. It's true that this deserves attention and discussion, so let's give it that.

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When I saw that the previous thread was locked with the dismissive message from the mod about not making threads to shock it felt like a huge slap in the face., especially with the massive spike in anti-Asian hate and violence towards Asians over the past 2 years. I believe that if the victim black or brown then the thread wouldn't have been locked, and, there would have been a substantial amount of discussion, or at least a lit of replies. It felt like yet another case of us Asians being viewed as "White adjacent", and therefore not worthy of the consideration that virtually all other POC get.

It felt like yet another case of our issues and our plight not being viewed as important.

So I really do appreciate you stepping up to own a mistake that your fellow mod made and reassuring us that you will try to prevent it from happening again.

I have repeatedly voiced my disappointment in the conduct and performance of the mod team and how it lead to the exodus of a significant number of Asian Era.

But credit is given where credit is due.

Thank you for owning up and trying to make this right.

I really do appreciate it.

 

[Sam Bridges]

Again if Era can't even see the micro agression racisms then no wonder the asian community left.

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I really don't think that's what they were saying at all. I'm pretty close to 100% certain that the point was that racists don't really bother trying to figure out *who*, exactly, they are attacking with their racism, because what's really important to them is hating on people they perceive as different. My son's mother is Chinese (I'm white), and my son and his half-siblings have been on the receiving end of some incredibly racist verbal attacks by people who are too stupid/apathetic to even understand who they're attacking. My son has been called slurs that are used to denigrate Latino people, my stepdaughter was once called a slur used to denigrate Japanese people, etc.

Racists don't really care if the southeast Asian person they are attacking is of Chinese heritage, or Japanese, or Laotian or Thai or what, because they hate all Asian people and don't really give a shit about details. When Trump and Republicans started calling COVID "the China virus" or "the Wuhan virus" it gave these racist fucks an excuse to openly hate (more than usual, anyway) on ANYONE of southeast Asian descent by lumping them all together as "Chinese".

 

[Pet]

I really don't think that's what they were saying at all. I'm pretty close to 100% certain that the point was that racists don't really bother trying to figure out *who*, exactly, they are attacking with their racism, because what's really important to them is hating on people they perceive as different. My son's mother is Chinese (I'm white), and my son and his half-siblings have been on the receiving end of some incredibly racist verbal attacks by people who are too stupid/apathetic to even understand who they're attacking. My son has been called slurs that are used to denigrate Latino people, my stepdaughter was once called a slur used to denigrate Japanese people, etc.

Racists don't really care if the southeast Asian person they are attacking is of Chinese heritage, or Japanese, or Laotian or Thai or what, because they hate all Asian people and don't really give a shit about details. When Trump and Republicans started calling COVID "the China virus" or "the Wuhan virus" it gave these racist fucks an excuse to openly hate (more than usual, anyway) on ANYONE of southeast Asian descent by lumping them all together as "Chinese".

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Which is why it's always so baffling to see people say "they got attacked and they aren't even Chinese."

Or, as the original person said, without any malice I'm sure, "they're worried for their safety and they aren't even Chinese." It's kind of like, okay, why even tack on that last part? Every time someone feels the need to highlight the distinction in what kind of Asian you are (not Chinese is the most common one recently), especially in a topic about anti-Asian hate crime, it's always a bit like....why? Why does it matter in this context? Isn't anti-Asian racism the problem? Why does it matter if they're not even <specific Asian ethnicity>? Again, don't feel like the poster had any bad intent when pointing out Asian people he knew were worried for their own safety even though the racists "knew" (supposedly) or were "supposed to know" that the Asian people weren't the Chinese kind of Asian, but another kind of Asian. But, it can make you wonder why that's important to even bring up. Why would that even matter? If they *had* been Chinese, they'd also still be worried about their safety. Would it somehow be less notable? Less of a problem? More "understandable"?




Also not related to above, but do we *really* need posts in *this thread* about how racist Asians are? I mean seriously, why spit in the river of your grandma's blood from your ivory tower. What possible purpose does that serve.