Don't really give a shit just like the kids apparently didn't.That's what gangsters on tv and cops say. Oh, and eye for an eye bible thumpers. Next I'll be hearing shoot them all and let god sort them out.
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Don't really give a shit just like the kids apparently didn't.That's what gangsters on tv and cops say. Oh, and eye for an eye bible thumpers. Next I'll be hearing shoot them all and let god sort them out.
you are right. a lot of people here have seriously never had to leave their insulated internet lives and think law and order is a documentary not a tv show.That's what gangsters on tv and cops say. Oh, and eye for an eye bible thumpers. Next I'll be hearing shoot them all and let god sort them out.
Am I missing something? It kinda feel like it is and adding the smiley face... Well that makes me think I'm right.
Don't really give a shit just like this kids apparently didn't.
Lol just tired of the killing and making excuses
tired of the killing, wants state-sanctioned murder.
They're still alive in prison, can't say that for James.
Am I missing something? It kinda feel like it is and adding the smiley face... Well that makes me think I'm right.
Ok, well then book them danno I guess.Don't really give a shit just like the kids apparently didn't.
We're on the same page.I personally believe murderers can and should be rehabilitated, especially children. If we are not able to rehabilitate a child to the point where we can eventually reintroduce them into society, then we are absolutely failing.
you gonna be the one to put the needle in their arms
Him and Krasner are a joke. They'd rather poke blame at each other than confront the issues and work together. They've both helped the city go down the drain. Even when they were going to receive outside help they just turned it into a pissing match.Philly is a complete mess lately.
Mayor Kenny recently said he is looking forward to not being mayor anymore because of all the violence.
Jeez. I wonder what it is like being a teacher there.Philly is a complete mess lately.
Mayor Kenny recently said he is looking forward to not being mayor anymore because of all the violence.
one of my oldest buddies worked at a school in the "less good" part of the city here and he basically said that the season of the wire where prez became a teacher was underselling how bad it is right now.
So you understand my thought process, I'm assuming that they'd talked about it previously. I'll readily allow that there's a mix of passive and active participants, with one obvious aggressor (that might also be the ringleader and planner), and a host of kids on the spectrum of participation. I agree entirely that there are varying levels of culpability, with the aggressor at the most culpable end. I understand and appreciate the argument that using the same language towards each member of the group erases these differences.
However, if the overt aggressor kid rounded up his friends to jump someone, pointed out Lambert to the group, and initiated the attack, that's cold-blooded killing to me. I would place that child in the same universe of killers as you mention. There are others (e.g., the shocked-looking girl) who definitely went too far in some shit she shouldn't have been doing.
What do you think is a better way to more fairly and precisely describe actions along each node in this spectrum, without contributing to the hateful rhetoric that bleeds over into the rest of society? Do we simply say that the overt aggressor kid (and maybe some of the more active participants) committed a homicide, and the other children were accessories? Can we say that the aggressor's actions were monstrous? Say that he was a monster? Offer a prognosis on his potential rehabilitation (at least after we find out if he's remorseful at all)?
You're right. I don't. It was an emotional response.
Put them in Jail. They should be in jail for 20-25. This country continues to be shit.
Something far worse than murdering a defenseless 73 year old man for the thrill of it and TikTok's? Going to have to say that's pretty hard to top, I feel.Coz I'll tell you what they'll do: something far worse than this because they're gonna be in their 30s with no money, no education, unable to get jobs because they've been sent to prison and have no education, unable to qualify for a bunch of assistance because they've been in prison and have no education.
Just want to say I appreciate your posts and perspective here Royalan. I don't feel like they can be absolved of blame for their actions, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to understand and address why it happened. What led to some of these kids being at the point where they see an old man and they want to repeatedly go at him with a traffic cone, and then mock and laugh about it in the aftermath. There will be answers, but they require someone to care enough to want to look for them and understand them.
Nah there's often deeper answers there when you analyse what might get a kid to the point where their idea of fun is beating an old man to death with a traffic cone."We we're just having fun and thought it would be funny"
I don't think you'll get any deeper of answer here, especially considering it was a traffic cone in use.
I don't understand why they absolutely need to be tried as adults? The whole point of youth justice is that children are tried as children based on their age (and thus a nod to them being minors lacking the understanding, culpability and social responsibility of an adult), rather than solely the severity of their crime deciding that they now face trial as an adult.Good lord. Some of those kids look very young. They absolutely need to be tried as adults.
And RIP to the victim he didn't deserve any of that .
Something far worse than murdering a defenseless 73 year old man for the thrill of it and TikTok's? Going to have to say that's pretty hard to top, I feel.
If you stop thinking emotionally and think critically it's really not hard to imagine something worse than killing 1 person, such as killing 2 people. Or 3. Or more. Split robberies in small family owned places with murders in each. Rape and then murdering the person, or multiple people. I mean the list goes on, really, if you want to get really depraved.
You know what's better than that? Rehabilitating them and giving them the tools to survive after that so instead of sending potentially 7 people to jail fro 20-25 years and giving them nothing so they're essentially forced by the system to commit more crimes to attempt to survive on the outside (on purpose mind, for corporate owned jail profits, woo capitalism) and then go back to jail.
The jail system in this country is pathetic. We already lock the most people up in the world per population. It's clearly not working at staving off terrible things from happening.
Especially stupid when other countries jail less and have less crime per population. It's almost like rehabilitation and government assistance works or something.
Nah there's often deeper answers there when you analyse what might get a kid to the point where their idea of fun is beating an old man to death with a traffic cone.
You know what's better than that? Rehabilitating them and giving them the tools to survive after that so instead of sending potentially 7 people to jail fro 20-25 years and giving them nothing so they're essentially forced by the system to commit more crimes to attempt to survive on the outside (on purpose mind, for corporate owned jail profits, woo capitalism) and then go back to jail.
It speaks to action and not intent, it's what they did. You seem to be misunderstanding the angle I'm coming from as well. I'm not talking about the preceding five minutes before they went at him, I'm speaking to what circumstances in life and society can result in a kid doing what they did to an innocent old man for fun.I mean using language like "beat to death" implies there was intent to do such but then again, why even bother with a traffic cone? Sometimes it's as simple as kids being idiots and it going to far.
If we get caught up in the "let's just wait for the crimes to happen and then rehab the criminals so we can keep the jail population lower" routine, nothing will change for the positive.
Rehab them in prison and charge as adults. They KILLED someone.
Trying to rehab someone AFTER they already committed murder is a fucking joke. It's too late. They already took someone's life. You're giving killers a second chance, when their victims are dead and have no chance. It sends a horrible message.
If we get caught up in the "let's just wait for the crimes to happen and then rehab the criminals so we can keep the jail population lower" routine, nothing will change for the positive.
We have to start making people respect one another's lives again.
It speaks to action and not intent, it's what they did. You seem to be misunderstanding the angle I'm coming from as well. I'm not talking about the preceding five minutes before they went at him, I'm speaking to what circumstances in life and society can result in a kid doing what they did to an innocent old man for fun.
Punishment should be the consequence for serious crimes like rape or murder.
Rehab as a consequence for serious crimes is a failed system and an insult to the victims.
IKR? They've ruined their lives over what, some views on social media or something? So stupid as hell.Couple of them got their cameras out filming their own felony. Fucking pieces of shit.
I think it's time we start realizing that people in general have become much more desensitized to violence over the past couple decades. You can point the finger to whatever you like, but the fact is this society has become much more dangerous top to bottom.
They're not going to spend their entire lives in prison, so you might as well help them on the road to returning to society.Punishment should be the consequence for serious crimes like rape or murder.
Rehab as a consequence for serious crimes is a failed system and an insult to the victims.
Not particularly surprised that's where some people go when thinking about a perfect world. It's not about "soothing" just "removing", difference is the right don't call us out on it like we do to them. Going by semi-popular opinion a good chunk of people are actually non-human and should disappear out of sight (virtually) foreversome of the responses in here man, things will never improve with how much even liberals love the prison system in US
"Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds"
Oh a defense force for a bunch of psychopaths. Miss me with that bull shit. Won't call them animals because animals don't kill for funsies.Shit, am I in the Fox News Comment section all of a sudden? Ya'll need to pass a sociology class or something before posting. I understand being angry after watching the video, but remember we are talking about children as young as 12, CHILDREN. No they aren't "fundamentally broken" or "animals"(holy fuck at this one). There is something deeply and fundamentally wrong with our society for a bunch of children to decide "oh lets go murder an old man," and locking up 12 year olds for their entire lives ain't gonna fix it.
RIP to the victim, condolences to his family, and I hope the kids that tried to stop it come forward, and the ones who perpetrated it are rehabilitated.
Oh a defense force for a bunch of psychopaths. Miss me with that bull shit. Won't call them animals because animals don't kill for funsies.
Won't call them animals because animals don't kill for funsies.
Oh a defense force for a bunch of psychopaths. Miss me with that bull shit. Won't call them animals because animals don't kill for funsies.
Nobody is defending their actions whatsoever, we can all agree what was done was awful.Oh a defense force for a bunch of psychopaths. Miss me with that bull shit. Won't call them animals because animals don't kill for funsies.
You don't know that it's too late though. If anything when they are kids is probably the best time to start rehabilitation efforts because they can still change. How many ex-convicts are out on the public speaking circuit that turned their lives around and are now using their life to prevent other people from going down the wrong path? They don't even have to do the public speaking thing, maybe even mentoring other people in their community.Trying to rehab someone AFTER they already committed murder is a fucking joke. It's too late. They already took someone's life. You're giving killers a second chance, when their victims are dead and have no chance. It sends a horrible message.
You can do both, and one doesn't cancel out the other. Punishment alone sure ain't doing shit to change anything for America.