When you play an older game on pc and the pre rendered cutscenes are lower res and fps.
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60fps+ is terrible for cutscenes
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Gotta a money maker here. Goggles that let you view everything in the perfect 24fps. No longer will you have to look out in disgust when viewing the world in motion irl.
MGSV's 60fps cutscenes look fantastic.
Gears 5 on PC also lets you uncap the cutscene framerate.
More 60fps cutscenes please.
Gears 5 on PC also lets you uncap the cutscene framerate.
More 60fps cutscenes please.
One thing I do dislike about cutscene framerate is when the effects are turned to 11 and the framerate just can't hold, which happens quite a bit in 60fps games. So I do appreciate them at least giving the option to cap cutscene framerate, like in Gears 5.
Fluctuating framerates during dramatic moments is distracting as hell, but I'm not about to cap the whole game at 30 just because of cutscenes either. So I'll just deal with it if it's not an option.
Fluctuating framerates during dramatic moments is distracting as hell, but I'm not about to cap the whole game at 30 just because of cutscenes either. So I'll just deal with it if it's not an option.
Red Dead Redemption 2 cut scenes looked awful at 60fps. Like you said, the soap opera effect. It cheapens the scenes, at least in RDR.
Yeah and I mean in 60fps the cutscenes look so sharp and angular
Gotta lock it down to 22fps for that real organic cinematic look
Gotta lock it down to 22fps for that real organic cinematic look
Live action and maybe CGI, you could see this more often, but... 2D Animation? Probably not. Just isn't feasible.
95% of the time people complain about the soap opera effect in 'high framerate' situations, it is actually motion interpolation. This is usually an issue with TV settings or the actual content being interpolated (which seems more rare) by the designer. The former can be turned off in TV settings. The latter you can't really do much about.
High frame rates themselves shouldn't induce the soap opera effect if it was designed that way.
High frame rates themselves shouldn't induce the soap opera effect if it was designed that way.
Controversial gaming opinion:
30FPS cutscenes are more "filmic"
I prefer 30FPS for cutscenes specifically.
30FPS cutscenes are more "filmic"
I prefer 30FPS for cutscenes specifically.
Well I, am not saying it's better.
I was agreeing on the how I also don't like it, not the "it is terrible" which would look like a "fact".
And since you seem to like it, it means you already have examples, so I don't you would ask for any.
Maybe one is better, that's another topic and I don't know the answer.
The reason films look bad at 60fps+ is that they look staged because everything is too real. Cutscenes in game don't have that downside because they're not realistic, they're not actual people and real world environments. They look far, far better at 60fps.
This isn't just people not being able to let go of an outdated standard, there's a quality that is lost at higher reams as much as there are other qualities gained.
High frame rate film does loose something though, it looks like it's being performed on a stage, effects stand out more, costumes look more like cosplay, everything feels a little too real, like a documentary.
This isn't just people not being able to let go of an outdated standard, there's a quality that is lost at higher reams as much as there are other qualities gained.
will have to agree to disagree op haha if its ingame and the game has been running at 60 I prefer the in engine cut scenes to do the same, its a bit jarring when it switches back and forth on pc with a 60fps+ monitor sometimes
Completely agree 60fps video looks terrible. Hell I even find it distracting in game looking at animations sometimes.
Has Pixar ever put out a 60fps version of one of their movies? I'd be interested in watching a piece of cinema I'm familiar with, at a higher framerate.
Interpolation is never the right answer.
Interpolation is never the right answer.
Yes, and in reality, it just looks more lifelike when the fps is higher. People are so used to low fps that it an improvement actually looks wrong to them.
If something looks off when there are more frames, blame the animations themselves, not the frame rate they play at.
This is a fair point, degrading your video quality on purpose for artistic reasons is totally fine, like shooting a movie in b/w or with altered colors or dirt/scratch effects. However, I think part of the problems of high framerate are merely technical, effects look bad because we need better effects, better sets, better costumes, etc.
No.
I think the only HFR features movies releases on disc are the 2 Ang Lee movies - Billy Lyn's Long Halftime Walk which was 60fps for it's home release (but 120FPS for theatres)
And Gemini Man, which is the same.
Famously they actually made the 2nd and 3rd movie in the Hobbit Trilogy (which was 48fps) "softer"
Gemini man is a really interesting example of the challenges that Hollywood faces, the HFR is actually not as jarring as the Hobbit movies were, but the quality of the CG occasionally falls below the threshold of acceptability, something that perhaps might not show itself at 24fps. There are are a couple of shots that look like Will Smith is in Uncharted 3
I thought the 24fps "magic" was referring to how every motion is a little bit slower than real life which gives it a different look than what we see in reality.
It's not like you need to draw every single frame of animation (it's not economically feasible even with 24fps), for example most japanese animation are a mix between 24, 12 and 8fps.
60fps would be used for camera movement mostly, which would be a visible improvement to the current stuttering panning.
It's not like they can open Renderman and just set the output to 60fps, they would need to adjust, at least, all the motion blur of the movie and check if all the movements looks good at 60fps.
Otherwise it would be just like TVs motion interpolation (well, motion blur could probably be automatically adjusted based on the output fps, I'm not sure it would look good without manual correction though), which looks awful.
Dropping from 60fps gameplay to 30fps cutscenes is pretty jarring to me. The drop is immediately noticeable.
Oh lord, ,no. It'll create an effect very similar to what we see with games that have motion capture at 30, but everything else is significantly higher frame rate. You can already see this on some 30i anime and it looks distracting/awkward sometimes. Normally frame rate judder and stuff doesn't bother me, but there are times where the camera movement being much higher than the actual animation frame rate makes it extremely nauseating to me. That's NOT a good idea, especially given a lot of animation, notably Japanese animation, are animated with less frames.
What if I told you that I prefer this effect in movies and games. I enjoy it and welcome it. In live action films, this soap opera effect makes me feel like I am there as it was getting filmed, as if it was happening. Not that it looks fake.
Just my opinion though. I have the HF mode on Smooth on my oled tv for films.
Just my opinion though. I have the HF mode on Smooth on my oled tv for films.
30fps scenes interpolated to 60fps (what occurs in The Last of Remaster, and on TVs that have Smooth Motion mode), is bad nobody is denying that.....thats the only place that I see a logical reason someone would say the cutscenes should 30 because 60 looks bad.
Now you agree with the OP.
Which means there is atleast a few 60+fps games you have played that when the cutscenes roll out at 60+fps you didnt like the experience.
So now I would like to know what these games are so I can test them in case its the games that are borked....maybe you are blanket agreeing to something that only affects 1 game.
Also note that this whole quote chain started from this post v
So since it looks so wrong, i wanted to see which games you had played that had bad 60+fps cutscenes.
People just post but have nothing to back up what they are saying....even if its your own opinion....you formed your opinion on something....I want to see that something, maybe we are on the same side.
The soap opera effect is amazing in nature documentaries. But for movies with stage makeup? 🤢
I saw 2 of the 3 Hobbit films in theaters with the HFR mode, and the first thing I said .. "oh this just looks like everything on a tv that is 120hz, with smoothing".
Another example, in Star Wars when ships fly, I just like to have it feel super smooth with no judder. But also smooth enough to not have artifacts. Of course I prefer no artifacts
Why would it look awkward?
Anime already mixes 8fps animation,12 fps animation, 24 fps animation with 60 fps CG (in the 00s some CG parts were done at 60i, if I remember correctly Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is one of those cases).
It also mixes 24fps panning with limited animation character movement.
I'm not saying it can look bad, but it's not an inherent problem of the medium, it's the way the directors work with the technology, if they're good I'm pretty sure they can get fluid panning and the usual character animation, if they're bad... they can already do disasters, I've seen my fair share of 24fps panning coupled with 12fps CGI (it stutters like crazy as you can imagine).
It's just because console gamers are used to play at 30 fps.. every game should be 60+ in gameplay and cutscenes in the future ( I hope ).
60fps are always noticeably better than 30fps, doesn't matter where in the game, or genre. Gameplay, cutscenes, first person shooter, walking simulator etc.