These fucking hacks. This is downright laughable.To further fuel the fire: I received a code for Control UE on PlayStation 4. I own the base game + season pass. I went to redeem the new code and it says I already own the game.
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It is wild that I own the $60 version of the game that's on the store now, but I do not own the same exact product (other than the next gen upgrade) that is on the store for $40. Like seriously WTF.
Sony says its the same game and shares the same license
Oh boy. 505 look like such fools.
Check the threadmarks. We've got a long list of gaming press covering it.
What if they didn't have much choice but to chose 505 games and any terms they offered? They are hardly the first publisher you think of to publish a game like Control.
From the way I look at it the PR damage for Remedy seems hardly worth it to sell an edition for a game that, let's face it, hardly set the sales chart on fire and I see no reason to think it is going to sell any better on the rerelease.
This has got to mean 505 Games is making some changes, right? How could they enforce their rule if PSN understands the UE and the base + single pass as being the same thing? I suppose the only way to do this is if both versions of the game were different SKUs, which this seems to suggest they're not.
Sony says its the same game and shares the same license
We don't know is my point however you would rather create a hypothetical where Remedy is some small, desperate developer with no track record and gets every benefit of the doubt where the details we do know makes it highly unlikely and they likely had some options and leverage in negotiations. Regardless, it's one thing to think Remedy had no say in this decision their publisher made, however it's another thing to think Remedy would somehow be against this decision and if given the choice they would have chosen the free upgrade option to everybody based on nothing but because, I'm assuming, you like them as a developer.
But wasn't my original point was for people to keep in mind this is very likely a publisher decision, so don't automatically rage at Remedy who probably has little say even if they own the IP because they don't own the publishing rights.
On the balance of probabilities this is probably 505's call, with them being the publisher, so it's them people should be complaining to if it is going to be anyone.
My issue specifically was you saying:
Hence me replying with:
and initiating this dialogue with you
Absent other evidence, the only sensible conclusion is that the publisher is responsible for publishing decisions. It's kind of the whole reason they exist.
Arguing if Remedy has a say, if any, in any of the publishing decisions is one thing but believing Remedy's hands are completely clean of this issue or that they would be against this decision as a public company that likely financially benefits from this decision intended to generate more revenue based on nothing but simply giving them the benefit of the doubt because people like them as a developer is another.
Did your read what I wrote? Occam's Razor tells me Remedy's hands aren't completely clean of this situation, as much as people want to believe so, until I'm shown otherwise. They're not getting let off the hook that easy.
Shown what exactly? Remedy themselves can't openly go against their publisher, it's simply bad business and can damage potential future dealings with anybody else. They might even have some contractual obligations to stay quiet during situations like that.
As far as power dynamic is concerned, usually if not always it's the dev that gets the short end of the stick.
Oh I understand the situation and it's highly unlikely they can show otherwise, but it's not enough for me to give them the benefit of the doubt either knowing what we know so far. People keep viewing this through a binary lens between the 2 extremes of the all powerful, money hungry, evil publisher and the all passionate, artistic integrity, good developer with no subtlety or nuance in-between especially given what we do know.
This is a muddled question and accusation because we simply don't know how much - if any - leverage Remedy would have for the publisher's decisions. I remember speaking with someone from Netherrealm Studios once about some of the stuff that Warner Bros did that they just had to go along with if they wanted to do something they actually did want to do. It could've been a compromise between an even worse decision. Game development between developer and publisher can be messy, and whether a developer agrees with and supports their publisher or not isn't always something they are at liberty to discuss. And a "developer" is many moving parts, with many possibly disagreeing with other parts of the staff. Ultimately, we just don't know, but we DO know that 505 Games is the publisher with the higher responsibility to "publish" the game and likely the ones who made the final call.
That's not a total defense for Remedy, but their history isn't rife with these sort of "punish the early adopter" tactics. They actually have had more positive history of support and release, including giving out free copies of some of their beloved games. As someone previously from 505 Games said earlier, the staff of 2019 isn't even the same staff of 2020 - people come and people go - and a brand, developer, and publisher's identity can shift along with it.
Regardless, I've emailed feedback to 505 Games, and I'm sure Remedy is well aware of the situation.
To further fuel the fire: I received a code for Control UE on PlayStation 4. I own the base game + season pass. I went to redeem the new code and it says I already own the game.
Holy shit.
I really hope this picks up in the press.
New article by consolecreatures.com - Details everything that has happened.
Tried to include what we've learned but my article is live:
505 Games Is Triple Dipping with Control Ultimate Edition
505 Games Is Triple Dipping with Control Ultimate Edition
Because it's rarely that simple, and I've spoken with enough developers over the years to know that publishers push back against a lot of developer wishes. I don't know Remedy's developers personally and I don't know what their pay structure is like. I know many developers might get a bonus for a certain amount of copies sold or hitting a certain critical reception, but most are already paid for the work they do and don't get substantial residuals from another copy of the game sold. These sort of tactics are more the kind of business decisions meant to appease shareholders and executives looking for short-term profit over long-term sustainability, and the way that Remedy talked about the game - particularly "good word-of-mouth" - as part of their plan for future Control support and support for future endeavors makes me feel that these business decisions run counter to what their intended goal was for branching out and building up a stronger community for bigger, better ventures.
Again, I don't know anyone on Remedy personally, and they may have some involvement in screwing over their most loyal and devoted fans, but this feels far more like a publisher mandate. Because nobody at 505 or Remedy has been clear about any of the "issues" that made upgrading "impossible" in the first place, I doubt we'll ever get clarity on the matter.
But if you want something done or changed, 505 would certainly be the ones with the larger muscle to reverse course than Remedy themselves.
Adding it to the pile.
I'm not saying I want to do this but I wonder what would happen if a digital deluxe edition owner tried to buy the ultimate edition?
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vidaisonline Thomas Puha When yall going to adress this? Shits getting outta hand
I bought Control and the season pass ages ago, just platinumed it an finished both expansions. An amazing game, but I won't be buying shit from Remedy or 505 until they adress this.
Feels really shitty when I've bought every Remedy game there is and now I have to buy the Ultimate Edition even though I own the game and season pass which cost me more than just buying the Ultimate Edition. Really shitty.
Feels really shitty when I've bought every Remedy game there is and now I have to buy the Ultimate Edition even though I own the game and season pass which cost me more than just buying the Ultimate Edition. Really shitty.
They work for Remedy, there's not a lot that they can do. 505 has the publishing rights for Control for 20 years.
It's possibly Remedy will never adress the situation as they might have little or even no say in the matter. And saying"it's all the publisher's fault" might be problematic. It would be cool to know more details about the interior of this awful decisions.
I don't think Remedy has much of a say on the matter, but they're not blameless either.
But I agree that it would be nice to know what the hell happened.
is this just exclusively to PS4 or all platforms? I was eyeing the game after watching a live stream but now i feel like i need to just wait this out first.
Wait, so 505 may have messed up so bad, us original owners may now own the ultimate edition anyway?
I can't check right now.
I can't check right now.
To me it sounds like 505 messed up so bad that even if someone WANTED to digitally buy the Ultimate Edition when they already had the base game + season pass, they can't, because PSN thinks it's the same game?
Ah, it's weird how they can do that if it's true Sony sees it as the same game.
I'm understanding the same. They're fucking amateurs my god !
To further fuel the fire: I received a code for Control UE on PlayStation 4. I own the base game + season pass. I went to redeem the new code and it says I already own the game.
They got yo ass, lmao.
Nice article. I hope other outlets cite you when they eventually pick this up.
Maybe that would also mean that owners of the standard edition + season pass will get the free next-gen update nevertheless. This would be kind of hilarious if they would screw that up, too.
Assuming it's 505's call, what do you think they could have done differently? Public condemn 505 and say that choice was outside their... control?
I don't think they've could have done much about it. And that's probably how it played out, this seems like typical publisher thing to do.
Indeed, which is why I think blaming Remedy is unfair, especially because they could hardly have antecipated this problem when the deal was signed... although I'm speaking out of my love for Control more than anything. It's an ugly story, but hopefully time will make it less nebulous.
Supreme Leader Galahad I would edit that post.
I got an infraction for tagging them in another thread about this situation, because even just tagging another member in a "negative" thread is seen as antagonising another member, even if those members are community managers or in charge of communications.
I got an infraction for tagging them in another thread about this situation, because even just tagging another member in a "negative" thread is seen as antagonising another member, even if those members are community managers or in charge of communications.
I think there's a possibility that we might never know what's going on, as this issue involves three different companies: Remedy, 505 Games, and Sony. It's hard to accuse or defend any of them because there could be a lot of reasons this happened. As someone stated before, this happened with Overwatch. It could be a bug with how the store deals with these different editions, something related to how the game's package was done all the way back to the original release last year, or it could be other stuff.
It is undeniable that it's a huge mess-up, regardless of the cause. Maybe this will result in making the Ultimate Edition given for free to owners of the game and its season pass. But then you have to figure out what you'll do with those who had that and bought the UE (refunds? something else?), and then you also have to deal with that on Xbox, even if nothing happened there, since I'm sure customers wouldn't like to hear they're paying for something that should be free for them. Suddenly, you're dealing with four companies, different payment options for different regions, contracts that might complicate the situation even more, and not to mention physical edition owners.
So yeah, even if we hear something, it might take a while.
(In the mean time, it's too bad the Ultimate Edition wasn't named the Director's Edition. Oh, well.)
It is undeniable that it's a huge mess-up, regardless of the cause. Maybe this will result in making the Ultimate Edition given for free to owners of the game and its season pass. But then you have to figure out what you'll do with those who had that and bought the UE (refunds? something else?), and then you also have to deal with that on Xbox, even if nothing happened there, since I'm sure customers wouldn't like to hear they're paying for something that should be free for them. Suddenly, you're dealing with four companies, different payment options for different regions, contracts that might complicate the situation even more, and not to mention physical edition owners.
So yeah, even if we hear something, it might take a while.
(In the mean time, it's too bad the Ultimate Edition wasn't named the Director's Edition. Oh, well.)
Thing is, the Deluxe Edition is not and has never been available for purchase on Xbox. Hell, the season pass was also not available until this past June when the 3-month exclusivity on PS4 for The Foundation DLC ended.
This is probably the reason all this kerfuffle about "owning" the Ultimate Edition has only ocurred to people that bought the game on PS4.
This is probably the reason all this kerfuffle about "owning" the Ultimate Edition has only ocurred to people that bought the game on PS4.
To further fuel the fire: I received a code for Control UE on PlayStation 4. I own the base game + season pass. I went to redeem the new code and it says I already own the game.
Sony says its the same game and shares the same license
Wow, what a mess.
I guess they forgot telling Sony that they have planned to make the Ultimate Edition a different SDK, so they just put them both as the same, the same way Steam does sometimes when you own all the DLC from a game and the complete edition gets released without any drastic changes to the game.
