Finally means we get the Deus Ex + Rabbids crossover we've always wanted.
serious tho it's an odd move, and not necessarily the worst I suppose?
serious tho it's an odd move, and not necessarily the worst I suppose?
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4Chan Rumor: Square Enix might sell off its western division to Ubisoft after the latest disappointment from Marvel's Avengers.
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Yeah, fair point. I didn't mean to defend this rumour, just pointed out funny coincidence.
Don't see it happening -- Tomb Raider is easily their biggest franchise after Final Fantasy.
That said, I do think there's going to be some consolidating. Give Lara Croft back to Crystal Dynamics, get Eidos back on Deus Ex, drop stuff like Just Cause and The Avengers.
That said, I do think there's going to be some consolidating. Give Lara Croft back to Crystal Dynamics, get Eidos back on Deus Ex, drop stuff like Just Cause and The Avengers.
I could see it. When I think of Ubisoft, I think of Montreal and San Francisco. When I think of EIDOS and CD, I think of Montreal and San Francisco. Geographically anyway, it makes sense. Though you could say the same thing about EA, I think.
God, I can only hope. They've handled their Western studios terribly for years now and Avengers is just the outcome of that.
The only thing Tomb Raider currently isn't is open world. Cause it's got the RPG mechanics already.
This rumor isn't bold enough. How about SE sells western assets to Ubisoft in preparation for being acquired by Sony.
Ah yes, a company will sell off 50% of it's workforce and it's entire diverse portfolio because one game underperformed.
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Square Japanese properties are the one that have been more successful in the last few years. Don't know why thy keep pushing their Western Ips so bad.
Even if you buy that SE is selling it's western divisions to Ubi (I do not at this point in time) - they'd have no reason to jettison all that IP, particularly stuff like Tomb Raider.
They could keep some of the more lucrative IP instead and license it out and make more bags of money that way.
This doesn't make a whole bunch of sense in my opinion.
They could keep some of the more lucrative IP instead and license it out and make more bags of money that way.
This doesn't make a whole bunch of sense in my opinion.
Also the following games under performed: Tomb Raider (2013), Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Just Cause 4 (not sure about 3)...basically nothing from those studios has performed well for them in almost a decade.
Wait are you saying parts of Athia are being outsourced to western studios not under Square Enix, or outsourced to western SE studios?
If this happened, I just couldn't see Square making a private deal with Ubisoft. They would turn it into a bidding war for all those studios and IPs because they could easily get a lot of money doing that. Tomb Raider (Lara Croft) is one of the most recognizable names in gaming and Deus Ex and several of the other SE Western IPs have a lot of brand value to them as well (Life is Strange, Thief, Sleeping Dogs etc) so that would easily start a bidding war especially when including the studios that made these games as well.
And either way, I just don't see Ubisoft being the one who would buy these studios/IPs. If anyone were to buy them it would be the Embracer group, Xbox, Sony or Tencent/Google/Amazon/Apple
And either way, I just don't see Ubisoft being the one who would buy these studios/IPs. If anyone were to buy them it would be the Embracer group, Xbox, Sony or Tencent/Google/Amazon/Apple
As unlikely as it is, I'd be pissed leaving Ubisoft and then being forced back in their arms. Those poor devs.
This isn't entirely true. Tomb Raider 2013 did fine and Rise eventually, very slowly though, got to within fine expectations as well once it released on all platforms and after things like sales.
Shadow wasn't so lucky and all the rest of those teams were pulled off "riskier" projects with the intend on putting them on a "sure thing" based on a massive IP which ended up being Avengers.
I do believe there will be fallout for those teams because of that massive miss, but I don't believe this rumor for a second for a variety of reasons, including the IP jettison in a world where IP means everything right now.
All of this rapid consolidation is bad for the industry...but this would be a pretty good outcome.
Obviously this gets into weird territory, but based on the types of games these publishers make and are interested in, somebody like Microsoft seems like a way better fit for these teams than Ubisoft. Especially if the IP/back catalogue rights are up for sale, that's exactly what a company running a huge subscription service would be interested in picking up.
Nah. It should be MS and they should give it to Arkane, series daddy works there anyway.
Ehh, this sounds like someone throwing out something "believable"
You're not wrong in general but I think Spider-Man is actually still considered bigger than the MCU/Avengers brand.
You're not wrong in general but I think Spider-Man is actually still considered bigger than the MCU/Avengers brand.
I doubt they will sell and I doubt this rumor is true, but we all know they will being reconsidering things at these studios. It isn't CD or Eidos' fault that Avengers failed, anyways. It was Square Enix's management that led to this release.
They already knew internally that the game wasn't winning anybody over from day one. The mood over Avengers was sour and lukewarm since its reveal, and the beta was really the only time I ever saw people excited or interested in the game. Once the beta came and went, people knew what this game was and wanted nothing to do with it.
Instead of chasing the trend of live service games, they should have been working toward making a good game. People go to SE, and in particular CD, for their single player games. That is their strength. They needed to just build off of that. MP could have always come later.
Also they shouldn't rush to do anything. If they are allowed and are willing, fix the gamebreaking bugs and do an internal roadmap overhaul. Make this game F2P and/or do a lot of revisions with the gameplay and post-game content and do a soft relaunch on PS5
They can potentially salvage this. Fortnite wasn't a success overnight. It was a fairly okay $60 game then they added battle royal and made it F2P and the game exploded.
They already knew internally that the game wasn't winning anybody over from day one. The mood over Avengers was sour and lukewarm since its reveal, and the beta was really the only time I ever saw people excited or interested in the game. Once the beta came and went, people knew what this game was and wanted nothing to do with it.
Instead of chasing the trend of live service games, they should have been working toward making a good game. People go to SE, and in particular CD, for their single player games. That is their strength. They needed to just build off of that. MP could have always come later.
Also they shouldn't rush to do anything. If they are allowed and are willing, fix the gamebreaking bugs and do an internal roadmap overhaul. Make this game F2P and/or do a lot of revisions with the gameplay and post-game content and do a soft relaunch on PS5
They can potentially salvage this. Fortnite wasn't a success overnight. It was a fairly okay $60 game then they added battle royal and made it F2P and the game exploded.
Ideally I would want Eidos/Deus Ex at XGS, and Tomb Raider/Crystal Dynamics at SIE. Cory already worked on Tomb Raider, and the Lost Legacy directors would do wonders with the IP...
That's horseshit. You list sequel after sequel and yet claim nothing from these studios has done well. Those games got sequels because their predessors sold in several millions. The Tomb Raider trilogy especially. For fucks sake you just called a game that sold over 10 million copies, and it's sequel 7 million, disappointments. What on gods green earth do you consider successful?
These games not meeting SEs absurd short term expectations, (which have become a bit of a joke in sales had/erA) does not make them unsuccessful and unprofitable over their lifetime.
This rumor means the selling off of hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate, studios, and potential profit for a short term gain. SE has spent the last decade trying to diversify and this would basically put them back to 0.
Avengers ONLY selling 3 million in its launch month instead of 5 is not some hit the escape hatch emergency button situation.
Please release those good studios from the absolutely incompetent middle management of Square Enix, thank you
All that over one game?? Yeah, it would take a bigger set of failures for that to even be a consideration.
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