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3d audio for PS5 event
- Thread starter chris 1515
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I'm not the right person to be explaining this, but watch Mark Cerny's Road to Playstation 5 (Or Digital Foundry analysis)
Basically, The PS5 has a dedicated audio chip a.k.a Tempest Engine.
It basically will allow for proper 3D audio. The kind of where you feel like sound is coming from somewhere in real life. (Well that's the goal at least).
Its enables hundreds of sound sources, their intensity/position/dimensionality that would normally require a good amount of computing power.
Oh and everyone has a different hearing profile, so there will be an option to choose a profile that matches yours to the closest HRTF (the way you perceive sound).
An example that was used was it's raining in game, and being able to differentiate the sound of each drop and the feeling of actually being there, in the game world.
See this is where I'm lost again. I understand it's on a whole other level, but I could always tell when a player was above me using my Surround Sound headphones so that's what made me think all audio was 3D.
Ok, I'll hold out until closer to or even after launch. Thank you for explaining all this.
If you have a surround sound headset/headphones and they allow you to, just turn off the "virtual surround", "3d audio" or "5.1/7.1" functionality.
Some "surround sound" headphones will feature multiple small drivers (speakers) in each ear to better simulate virtual surround; and while this may not be ideal, I don't expect it'll break down a real 3D audio effect too much as long as any additional processing is turned off and you getting the left audio channel to your left ear and the right audio channel to your right ear..
I'm just going to have a look into seeing if I can turn it off just now. Thank you all for the replies, a simple pleb truly appreciates it lol.
So, that's just an audio trick, as far as the actual speakers (physical or virtual) were aware, the sound was never above you. We have just discovered a way to make stuff sound like it was.
With surround sound each sound is told a direction and the sound comes out of the speaker (or speakers) that are in that direction. When a sound passes overhead or underneath it isn't actually doing that, instead its passing through you and the visuals on screen help your brain to put that audio above or below you.
Spatial sound, on the other hand, doesn't really acknowledge speakers but rather gives each sound a source in 3D space, the tech (be it Atmos, Sonic, Tempest, etc.) then assigns that sound to speakers that exist around that place. A spatial sound set up can have 5 speakers or it can have 50. And the system knows the approximate location (both height and directional) and makes those speakers play the sound at the right volume to make it sound like its coming from where its coming from.
Headphones are slightly more complicated since it still relies on just two headphones so the actual method of conveying the audios location to the listener hasn't really changed except that instead of the stereo speakers simulating 5-7 virtual speakers, it is now simulating infinite(ish).
Right, I'm slowly getting it lol. So that's truly insane. Why aren't people making a bigger deal than they are? This is huge!
Out of those PC most likely will have best audio output quality.
Oh shit oh shit. I'm hyped.
Also whenever I see any of you mention Silent Hill, I fuckin blur it out. I AINT GETTING MY HOPES UP.
Also whenever I see any of you mention Silent Hill, I fuckin blur it out. I AINT GETTING MY HOPES UP.
The tech has existed for a few years now, and people made a bigger deal when it started appearing on PC or Xbox but because not all platforms supported Spatial audio it wasn't widely adopted (I think there is also a licensing fee if you want to use specific tech) so excitement sort of fell off once it failed to take off. Hopefully now that Sony has finally joined the Spatial Audio party we might see wider adoption, though sadly it seems they still are extending support to existing tech, instead deciding to have their own independent tech meaning that it may not see much adoption for multiplatform games.
TL;DR: The tech is amazing and those that have experienced it have been fawning over it for ages but the lack of adoption in games and movies has sort of killed it.
Ready!
If Sony makes the push for more 3D audio in games im all for it.
Well implemented Spatial Audio with a good set of cans is a god send.
I dont think im ever going back to dedicated surround sound.......till I can afford theater quality shit.
If Sony makes the push for more 3D audio in games im all for it.
Well implemented Spatial Audio with a good set of cans is a god send.
I dont think im ever going back to dedicated surround sound.......till I can afford theater quality shit.
Just shows how buried in the sand my head really is! Haha. The tech truly sounds amazing, I can't wait to experience it.
The last two Gears games have used it and so did the last Tomb Raider. Both experiences were amazing for the audio alone.
No problem! These companies have kinda shot themselves in the foot with the overuse of different terms. The vast majority of it is heavily virtualised or faked. Now they're actually doing the real thing it's gonna be confusing. I can see a lot of people going out and buying "3D Audio" headsets now so that they can get 3D audio on the PS5, when in reality all that's needed is basic stereo headphones.
Best way to think of it is...we have two ears, we only need 2 channels of audio. The problem however is that our ears can't "decode" the locality of the audio without an hrtf being applied to the audio.
Standard Stereo Headphone/Headset, 3.5mm headphone jack, stereo audio with any "virtual Surround", "spatial sound" or "3D audio" type stuff disabled.
If you need to use a headset with USB, just make sure, as above, that all processing is turned off and you're just getting stereo.
I expect plugging into the DS4 should be fine if you're watching via PS4. Though if you're going that route, a headphone jack on the tv or a receiver will probably give you better general sound quality.
That's what I like to see. Keep ui talk /hardware talk for another time. Games games games haha
I have these headphones:
www.hyperxgaming.com
Silve model. Would they be enough to enjoy this?
HyperX Cloud Core - Gaming Headset + 7.1
The Cloud Core is the essential gaming headset for those who are looking to team up and beat the competition. Available with DTS Headphone:X spatial audio.
www.hyperxgaming.com
Silve model. Would they be enough to enjoy this?
If you're playing games with Atmos support, or playing on Playstation Platinum (iirc) headsets on the like three fully supported titles, then what the PS5 is doing is largely similar, just with probably a lot more processing power for higher quality. Otherwise, you're probably just good at picking out context clues and area awareness.
I just found this quote double-checking Sonic on Windows.
https://reddiamondaudio.net/windows-sonic-vs-dolby-atmos/
The Tempest engine on PS5 is not only doing full 3D surround, but they're interpolating between hundreds (iirc) of virtual speakers, including overhead and apparently underneath (have fun horror fans!).
The differences with what PS5 is doing is that it'll work with any normal stereo headphones (unlike the PS Platinums), it'll support more sound sources with less work from devs, and Sony (and by extension, us) doesn't have to pay for an Atmos license. It'll also be higher quality with more HRTF options, where the difference between getting the right HRTF profile ranges from "It sounds like better stereo I guess" to "Damn, that is good surround sound" to yanking the headphones off your head to figure out what's in the room with you.
Anything stereo that can be plugged into the PS5 should work. Since all but one has a 3.5mm jack, all of those will work thanks to the Dualsense having a 3.5mm jack. The one that doesn't is the original headset they released; I have a pair and they supported it on PS4, so it'll probably work on PS5 too.
Whatever you use, just make sure they're in stereo mode. :)I have these headphones:
HyperX Cloud Core - Gaming Headset + 7.1
The Cloud Core is the essential gaming headset for those who are looking to team up and beat the competition. Available with DTS Headphone:X spatial audio.
Silve model. Would they be enough to enjoy this?
I hope the 3D audio is the only gimmick. However, the Jim Ryan portion of the blog post makes me worry otherwise D:
Thanks! They actually don't have 7.1 audio, so it's always on stereo mode.
But is it possible for this presentation to have 3D Audio, and would the Sony Wireless Gold headset work in that instance?
My girlfriend is unable to play it because I insisted we use headphones haha. It was amazing tho.
Lol, I skimmed it and saw 7.1 on one of the models. Basically, the higher the quality the better, but even good earbuds do a decent job with binaural youtube videos. Load up a youtube binaural demo and have a go.
All it needs is a stereo stream, so yes it's possible, and the Sony Golds will work fine if they're in stereo mode. The drawbacks compared to native PS5 listening is youtube compression will hurt the quality a bit, and you won't be able to pick an HRTF profile so you might not get the full effect.
edit: You might not anyway, some people will not be able to get a profile that matches great until Sony adds custom profiles, but you'll probably be able to find a pretty good one. If you think the youtube binaural demos are impressive, the PS5 probably will sound better.
Bet you never told your wife/girlfriend how much they cost.
But seriously I am sure they are great headphones for gaming.
Hey there, Reinhardt! As a surround sound expert, I'm asking for your advice once again:
I will use the Sony Golds to watch this event. What do you think it's best? VSS mode or regular stereo?
Thanks.
I just watched this one:
Binaural Audio (3D Audio) Demo
Headphones Required! See http://www.3DioSound.com for details on the Free Space binaural microphone you can use to make your own videos like this.Recording ...
www.youtube.com
It really sounded amazing. The directions of the sounds were pretty clear.
Well, Sony aims to use HRTF that works on regular stereo headphones (Like DTS:X of Dolby Atmos for headsets) so my bet is to take the best stereo headset or headphone you have laying over there. The golds are necesssary to get HRTF surround on PS4/Switch because it has its own HRTF processing DAC, instead of having a system processed solution like Xbox or Windows.
I'm going with my cloud flight headset for this. This event is going to need some extra sound clarity
Also thanks, but i'm far from a surround soud expert ^^U I'm more like a HRTF maniac
What Sony is trying to do with the PS5 is essentially trying to apply 3D Audio you can get with headphones without needing anything other than your TV output. Of course the tech won't be perfect anytime soon (Cerny said so himself) but thats the goal they set for themself - give as many people as possible access to that audio quality.
Got the same headphone ready for the event. It's make or break for Tempest EngineReady!
If Sony makes the push for more 3D audio in games im all for it.
Well implemented Spatial Audio with a good set of cans is a god send.
I dont think im ever going back to dedicated surround sound.......till I can afford theater quality shit.
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