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34BigThings Denies Digital Foundry’s Redout XB1X Analysis (Update: Digital Foundry Apology)
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Some don't buy games from developers they don't want to support. If people think these developers are going overboard and being ridiculous, they might not want to give money to them in the future.
Same reason (albeit less drastic) why some people don't spend money on games with GG ties.
They wrote that "How the scaler works is something we'll take another look at, as even the simplest shots in our sample came in at native 1080p" in their update to the article, so updated video is probably coming.
ive never heard of 34bigthings. As far as i know ive never played a game from them, nor been interested in one. Ive been watching DigitalFoundry for a long time now, and am not aware of any other devs calling them liars or any major mistakes theyve made.
34bigthings is pretty much immediately on my avoid list for this. Maybe DF did make a mistake, i dont really know at this point, but 34bigthings is being ridiculous. Great first impression guys. The correct response would have been to contact DF and work with them to see what exactly is going on. I'm sure they are more than willing to correct any mistakes.
The internet rages at the drop of the hat. They also forget it ever happened the next day. Get used to it.
34bigthings is pretty much immediately on my avoid list for this. Maybe DF did make a mistake, i dont really know at this point, but 34bigthings is being ridiculous. Great first impression guys. The correct response would have been to contact DF and work with them to see what exactly is going on. I'm sure they are more than willing to correct any mistakes.
The internet rages at the drop of the hat. They also forget it ever happened the next day. Get used to it.
Haven't most XboxOne/ps4 games the past 4 years been sold as "1080p/30fps" games even if the resolution is dynamic and the framerate not locked?
Because companies trying to bully reviewers for their own incompetence and poor performance (since they admitted it drops to 1080p but doesn't play in 1080p whatever that means) of their game generates a lot of negative press and usually makes people not want to give them money in the future. DF also seems to have some small blame but much smaller than the false advertising from the developer and this is a dis-proportioned response to criticism.
Isn't DF usually pretty good at noting games that have dynamic resolutions?
Yeah not a big fan of the Digital Foundry fanbase. They've been quite cancerous for many years, so not surprised of the harassment from a few people. Not saying it's the DF people's fault, but it's a result they've cultivated from not taking care of maintaining those people. And it's been consistent from what I've seen, so no excuses. Almost every video has a wall full of trash comments. Digital Foundry themselves are pretty good though.
Ok maybe we should take legal action against devs and publishers claiming their games are 4K when they are clearly not. Clear case of false advertising from pretty much the entire console industry.
https://wccftech.com/redout-lightspeed-edition-xbox-one-x-update/
I know, it may seem like I'm bullying or hating them, but this is not only a great lesson learned for DF (it may help to double check your findings or go easy on headlines) and the developers (take a step back and evaluate whether this is the final product you want to release).
Only after the fact that DF highlighted the 1080p resolution, they claimed that it was at 1080p. Throughout the whole video you can see that their games run worse on Xbox one X, which is a bad look.
The only reason why I'm hammering the 4k@60fps narrative is due to their action to go into a law suit. (more xbox one x games claim the 4k resolution, while it turns out to be checkerboard rendering).
They've made an good looking spiritual successor to Wipeout, so it's only more disappointing to see this.
Obviously.
DF analysis probably got them a few 'lazy dev' comments from the community.
This is my reaction as well.
What a petty response given DF's track record. "Fake News"? Really?
You're on my developer Ignore List, bro!
Pretty much my feelings as well. Shame because I like the genre. Might check it when it's available for cheap.
But... 1920x1080 isn't 50% of native 4K? It's 25%. And 3456x1944 is just 81% of 4K, not 90%.
I can only speak for myself. I wok in the industry, and in communications, so that is something I pay a lot of attention to, and where I value professionalism and courtesy. So yeah, for me that behaviour pretty much means I wouldn't buy a game from said company.
Hey, I get it's not a fantastic approach to solve their PR problem with Xbox X fans...I'm just arguing that this method will probably do more to help their situation with Xbox X gamers than hurt their future game sales.
In this day and age, assuming blowback from this type of social media reaction is only theoretical.
I doubt this does them more harm in the end.
How? Xbox One X fans still have a game that isn't 4k 60fps like they advertised everywhere. You would have some point if like a day later they actually updated their game to perform as they claimed it would.
I haven't said the developers were the most honest in the earth, just to be clear. But really the whole video was focused on the 1080p chats. They never mentioned dynamic or whatever. That's why they should be more careful before talk about such stuff.
Indeed they are, which is why it'll be especially interesting to see if they somehow managed to test an unpatched version of the title, had a technical hitch that munged their captures somehow or that the game sits at 1080P for a meaningful majority of time. and maybe some other reason that doesn't instantly spring to mind.
You feel really bad for the developer at this point? That's your take from this? Did you read the whole thread or just skim the OP? DF do rech out to devs on occasion and some of them are willing to aid their analysis and others thankful when bugs/issues are highlighted so that they might be rectified in future updates.
No, the only thing strange here is the bizarre over-reaction from the CEO if 34bigthings. Sad.
sorry/not sorry, fuck their trumpisms
Well this game never renders native 4k, so if guerrilla can be sued for kz hah
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The ceo did.
He couched it in terms of at minimum grossly negligent and at worst fake news.
With inaccurate information of their own like stating that 1080p is 50% of 4k?
Well, extent of supposed boycott affects due to publisher actions outside of the game development is something we can't quantify. May happen, may not.
From my own perspective, usually the people who threaten to no longer support a product from a company...and actually follow through with it...are people who really had little interest in the product being offered to begin with.
I guess agree to disagree on the negative affect something like this will theoretically have.
Oh yeah, I apologise for coming off too strong. You were of course referring to the DF.
But that's the mistake they've made indeed and it sometimes just happens.
again, sorry if I came of too strong with links and quotes. lol
It's up to them to bring it. But I'm just saying in theory I'm okay with someone standing up for their product and their work.
My friends were talking about buying this on pay day for multiplayer. Honestly 1080p and not quite 60fps wouldn't bother me, what does bother me however is this childish attitude and legal threats. I won't be buying Redout and I'm pretty sure my friends will have the same feeling.
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Yeah, I read that in the article too. At the very least, remove the video for now. Hopefully they can update the scaler soon and won't come across any of these issues in the future, I really enjoy their videos and would hate for them to get any flak because of this small mistake.
As long as you agree they should be sued right back for very blatant false advertising and much worse misinformation than d
DF, sure.
they are talking about the game resolution scaler, not their capture device.
It seems the person who wrote the post calculated it this way:
50% of 3840 = 1920
50% of 2160 = 1080
-> 50% of 3840x2160 = 1920x1080
Of course that's not how this works lol.
I remember the Digital Foundry FFX HD analysis where they wrote about how it was 720p because they forgot to turn on 1080p in the system settings. Then they just added it as an addendum instead of rewriting the section and much later added comparison photos but for a long time all that was there was 720p screenshots of a 1080p game.
Basically they're not infallible, make silly screw ups and could do a better job rectifying them sometimes.
Also this dev went way too hard and made it worse for themselves. Never publicly threaten legal action.
Basically they're not infallible, make silly screw ups and could do a better job rectifying them sometimes.
Also this dev went way too hard and made it worse for themselves. Never publicly threaten legal action.
Hopefully that really isn't a press release, because it reads like an emotional overreaction... which is like the opposite of what a press release should be.
DF has built up plenty of trust over the years. Meanwhile, you have a dev that is immediately threatening a press outlet with lawsuits for simply reporting what it found, and giving exclusives to WCCFTech, a "media outlet" that is best known for running "reviews" of leaked beta software.
Makes ya wonder why DF gets the benefit of the doubt, doesn't it?
If the game runs at 1080p for the majority of the time, then it makes sense that DF would report that it runs at 1080p.
maths is hard hahaha
stuff like this just reaffirms the need for places like DF, even if they sometimes make mistakes. devs aren't upfront about their rendering until a correction needs to be issued.
So this developer is admitting that their advertised "4K rendering" never actually reaches 4K, but does indeed go down to 1080p and they are the ones thinking about legal action? Unbelievable...
Seems so. DF said straight up that they tried to get the game to scale past 1080p, but couldn't. They don't have a ton of man hours to put into one game on top of that. I can't imagine how much they would have to test to actually get it to go up. DF, in my eyes, are 100% innocent. Since the higher resolution seems to barely appear, it may as well be 1080p since I doubt the quick bumps are even detectable during gameplay.
But they said it runs only at 1080p by the way eh. And they admitted to be wrong. What I'm trying to say that something not totally unexpectable from a company such reaction.
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