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343 community manager John Junyzsek: Titles/headlines on departures misleading, no creative dilemma inside the studio
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Great video! If only some of the posters here were more self aware.
Remember Doom looked like it was going to be an absolute mess leading up to it's release, All the news coming out about that game suggested it was going to be a dumpster fire and look how it turned out.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Honestly I feel like people want this to end up being a doom and gloom story more than anything.
And yes, if there was serious trouble they wouldn't say anything about it. You're not clever for saying "well it's not like they're going to say it's bad."
And yes, if there was serious trouble they wouldn't say anything about it. You're not clever for saying "well it's not like they're going to say it's bad."
Not surprising to see people push conspiracy theories harder after their theories and conjecture were refuted by experience and knowledge. Also fun to see them say blatantly incorrect things like it's a community manager's job to comment on hires and departures at the company.
Sometimes people who are very high up get once-in-a-lifetime opportunities at other studios or organizations and they leave to take them. This is an actual thing and not some cliche because there are only so many creative director and / or (lead/senior/exec) producer roles in this industry. If you miss your chance to take a role on Project X the ship sails without you. Sometimes folks wrap up the work they have on the most immediate milestone and then leave. It's not uncommon.
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Yup, and on reseter it's obvious people here want 343i to fail just to feed the console wars some more.
I don't think their departures mean much of anything about the status of Halo Infinite, I just really wanted to use this .gif.
Negative thread on 343 gets 20 pages, positive on the same day gets 2 pages. Huh wonder what's going on.
It had the fan base riled up, so it makes sense that they decided to offer an official comment. Similar to how Naughty Dog responded when people were freaking out about TLOU2 not having multiplayer.
IIRC there are California labor laws that prevent an employer from commenting on why an employee departs a company, not to mention it's generally pretty unprofessional for either party to talk about a departure, so it's kind of lame that they had to do it to calm the community (lame of the community, that is). It's definitely not something taken lightly. Plus, I doubt either person really wanted this sort of spotlight on them leaving.
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As to how shitty the gaming community is? Yeah, agreed.
I'm excited about Halo Infinite, but I don't think there is any way to spin two leaders of the project departing a year from the ship date as anything but concerning.
I truly believe there is a lot of talent at 343, and I was very impressed with aspects of Halo 4/5, so I still have faith they can deliver something awesome with Infinite.
I truly believe there is a lot of talent at 343, and I was very impressed with aspects of Halo 4/5, so I still have faith they can deliver something awesome with Infinite.
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There is plenty of reason to be skeptical of 343i. 3 games worth.
Im someone who could not care less about Halo or the Xbox brand at this point, Halo died for me after Reach closed it off definitively. And despite loving halo 2 anniversary, halo 4 and 5 as new installments have done nothing to inspire confidence IMO.
With that being said however, i say with confidence that all the concern trolling at this game is silly. If the game is going through dev woes, its going through dev woes, if its not its not. The only real way to find out is to wait until launch and see how the end product is.
What's the point of getting worried about it before then? There have been plenty of games that went through tumultuous cycles. And while its more likely that a game going through issues in development will have it show in the product being good or bad,its not anywhere near a guarantee.
Just wait for the game to come out, then you can decide if the rumors you've been hearing are borne out
With that being said however, i say with confidence that all the concern trolling at this game is silly. If the game is going through dev woes, its going through dev woes, if its not its not. The only real way to find out is to wait until launch and see how the end product is.
What's the point of getting worried about it before then? There have been plenty of games that went through tumultuous cycles. And while its more likely that a game going through issues in development will have it show in the product being good or bad,its not anywhere near a guarantee.
Just wait for the game to come out, then you can decide if the rumors you've been hearing are borne out
Okay so, how often is it necessary for a community manager to come out and pour water on a fire like this? I hope they realize that only creates more smoke.
This is common when a lead leaves. Remember all the doom when Hennig left Naughty Dog?
Not really as I don't really care for the Uncharted games and didn't follow the news.
....he means in general for lots of people and you as one individual case is not what he's talking about. come on man, you know better than that, or at least you should but this entire thread is concern trolling so I shouldn't expect more at this point
100% this.
They asked if I remember, and I don't remember because I wasn't involved in the conversation.
I get it though, concern trolling and proxy console warring happens all the time so it's fine in this case too, I guess.
First post and already we've got armchair devs in here saying what is and isn't worrying.
Guess we need something Xbox related to concern troll about this week.
Guess we need something Xbox related to concern troll about this week.
Isn't moving from a higher up role to a smaller, unproven studio a reeeeally common track?
Funny how this thread, a direct response from 343, has a fraction of the activity of the other thread. I wonder why...
And who'd have thought, it turns out no-news was... No-news. The game is a year out and they have alot to show.
I have no reason to be worried or even concerned, especially as while the narrative was weak, halo 5 was still fun to play.
And who'd have thought, it turns out no-news was... No-news. The game is a year out and they have alot to show.
I have no reason to be worried or even concerned, especially as while the narrative was weak, halo 5 was still fun to play.
In what universe is a game "largely finished" a year before release? Most games, especially first iterations/conceptual reboots in the AAA space, don't come together until the final 6 - 12 months of development.
The Cm's job is to manage the community so of course he'd say this regardless of what actually happened. Whether or not the game is a mess will be clear when it comes out, but based on 343's track record, I have very low expectations.
I'm just waiting for the news drop on this topic to make things clear.
Funny, chaos is a ladder indeed. That's how many fresh faces get promoted and studio culture and the projects they work on shifts.
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It is not the Community Managers job to talk about the reasons why former employees have left the company.
While we don't know the full story, if 343 never placed anyone in Longo's vacant CD position, it would imply that their campaign is far enough along that he and that position was no longer needed.
Yes, that never happens like ever. Creative director is a super important management position. Aka Cory Barlog, Neil druckman. If they left with a year left till release that would indicate an issue internally. Ether it be direction, or creative differences. Sounds like in this case creative differences since he was the same director for Halo 5, and that game is divisive.
It's the community manager's job to manage the community.
It seems like complete PR too. Microsoft put out a statement that Mary would lead the campaign.
Halo Infinite Creative Director Leaves Company
Tim Longo, creative director for the upcoming Halo Infinite, left developer 343 Industries this week, Kotaku has learned. It’s part of a leadership shakeup that arrives late in the development of the next Halo game, which is scheduled for release in fall 2020.
kotaku.com
Having her leave so shortly after stepping into the role is not good at all.
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