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2K Games titles removed from GeForce NOW
- Thread starter ghostcrew
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If my understanding if how GeForce works is correct it seems that the biggest issue is that Nvidia is essentially pirating the games.
Nvidia caches games on their server, you link your Steam account, cached games that you own are activated on a VM for you to stream. That's the issue, Nvidia caching these games without permission.
I assume that if GeForce required you to log into an actual installation of Steam on a VM and actually download each and every game you wanted to play to that VM there wouldn't be an issue here.
Nvidia obviously failed to communicate something with publishers between the beta and the final release.
Nvidia caches games on their server, you link your Steam account, cached games that you own are activated on a VM for you to stream. That's the issue, Nvidia caching these games without permission.
I assume that if GeForce required you to log into an actual installation of Steam on a VM and actually download each and every game you wanted to play to that VM there wouldn't be an issue here.
Nvidia obviously failed to communicate something with publishers between the beta and the final release.
this is the most ridiculous thing ive seen in this thread. what complete nonsense. do you actually think these companies are doing this because NVIDIA is 'caching game content' and they think it's piracy? don't be naive.
Because local indie dev Raphael van Lierop, the game director and writer of indie hit The Long Dark, pulled his game too. You gonna call him greedy to?
No one is disputing that money isn't involved here, what I am saying is that the lazy "greedy devs" rhetoric is probably not accurate and missing crucial context, as noted above in a quote that Raphael made. I'm saying it's not that simple.
You hate to see it. I was excited about Geforce Now since it worked really well for me. Back to free tier.
I really wish NVIDIA would dig in their heels on this, publishers don't deserve an extra cut for just letting me run the games I already purchased from them on the machine of my choice.
I'm sure he would let the game back onto the service for a price.
No?
If I make a backup of a game I downloaded on Steam to install on a friend's PC, so that he can play it(with his own license of course) that's not pirating for fucks sake
Yes, I call him greedy without reservation. In fact, I did... on twitter :P
That's not how this works. That's not how anything works. There is no this versus that scenario.
Publishers and studios having strong relationships with first party and third party hardware manufacturers is for the benefit of all involved in those relationships.
Nobody is getting in a fight with anybody. What is this, a TV soap opera? :p
Damn this service is really bleeding publishers. Are there any major ones left on it at this point?
He's also whined about GOG's 30 day refund thing, so... yeah
If the rules/laws for software backups are the same as backups for physical media that would also technically not be allowed. IE you can rip your own copy of a piece of media for your use but you can't download a copy from an unlicensed website for your personal use even if you own the physical piece of media.
Oh come on! I just bought an Xbox controller last night for my phone for this very reason! To play on GeForce. By this point i have to suspect it's something to do with Nvidia not asking for permission..
This is nuts and I hope everything gets resolved. I wanted to use this as a gateway into PC Gaming...
This is nuts and I hope everything gets resolved. I wanted to use this as a gateway into PC Gaming...
I'm sure he would too, but I'm not entirely sure how that constitutes greedy when you are looking at the issue from a developer standpoint and not only through a consumer lens.
The same policy that devs found about at the same time as the public? Including devs that had an imminent GOG release.
I am broadly pro refund policies, but GOG bungled the announcement at the very least.
Devs: you can buy our games, but we dictate where you install them. Welcome to the future
me:fuck you
me:fuck you
Ubisoft.
Epic too. Say what you want about Tim Sweeney, but the guy hates shit like this.
Ubisoft, Epic, Valve, Riot, Bandai Namco, Bohemia, Bungie, CDPR, Devolver, Focus Home, Koei Tecmo, Paradox, PUBG, SEGA, Warner Bros and a bunch of others.
It's so wild to me how a giant company like Nvidia just turns this service on with zero proper approval from publishers.
I'm just assuming there's a whole legal team at Nvidia who signed off on this saying they were in the clear with distribution, and are now all looking for new jobs.
I'm just assuming there's a whole legal team at Nvidia who signed off on this saying they were in the clear with distribution, and are now all looking for new jobs.
Feels like Ubisoft is only a matter of time, given their partnership with Stadia.
Yes this. Geforce Now logs user into a VM instance that has access to Nvidia's networks storage that has all the games on their service. Clicking install just checks that storage for existing game files and maps that VM's steam to that storage location. These files can't be used without a valid steam account that has a license for these games. They aren't offering a subscription to play a set of games without users owning the game.
Oh you sweet summer child. Clauses like the ones in Acti-Blizz's EULA that prevent third-party unauthorized cloud streaming have existed for a long time. You're just now feeling the burn of it though.
damn that really sucks. I wonder if GeForce Now will be able to convince any publishers to come back. Or if they'll just fold the service in a few months.
approval for what? Installing a game I bought on their machine? Greedy mother fuckers I hope go broke
Because I already paid them for the damn game, so he has no say in what or how or where I play it. He made his sale, anything more than that is greedy af
And it seems that Nvidia didn't get a license to host those games in the first place or else this wouldn't be happening.
It's not nice to ask for thousands of people to lose their jobs. :(
Would be more worried if Ubisoft leaves then most of the others. They have way more frequently releases then most of those other publishers. Still its Nice to see that it has some AAA support still.
You paid for a license. And that license probably has the same clause that the Acti-Blizz one has too. You don't own the game, and if the license has clauses about where and how you play it, he absolutely does have a say then.
Bcuz they can charge for another license on a streaming service
see Stadia
It's unethical to start dictating where I play my games. What's next? Devs going to start restricting ONE INSTALL per purchase????
Just kill the service. I'd rather these moronic publishers lose the potential new customers GeForce Now would've provided than have them drive prices up for GFN users, AND make more money when they aren't owed a thing. Not to mention the awful precedent it would set if/when Nvidia caves.
Nvidia should just operate under Steam's already-existing Cyber Cafe terms and they'd be 100% absolutely in the clear on this: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3303-QWRC-3436
its 2020 and people still havent realised you are not buying games, youre renting them until they see fit?
even disc games you dont actually own the game, you own the license to play the game. Its been like that for many many years. Do NOT get me wrong, this isnt a defense of anyone, its stating facts. Its been fucked for ages and people keep going "but i own the game I paid for"
no you dont.
even disc games you dont actually own the game, you own the license to play the game. Its been like that for many many years. Do NOT get me wrong, this isnt a defense of anyone, its stating facts. Its been fucked for ages and people keep going "but i own the game I paid for"
no you dont.
Do you think renting an apartment means you have no rights? NO! Of course you still have rights!
whataboutisms like bringing in cars or apartments are irrelevant, read the EULAs (which of course nobody does).
I have read the EULAs. I did not find a restriction on using a virtual computer environment.