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25 years after it aired, I watched Gohan turn SSJ2 for the first time in original Japanese
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Yes you're absolutely right! oops! I edited the op to include Feep's clip with the Faulconer score. Thanks!
Instantly reminds me of the worst instance in Dragon Ball
Dub version drowns out the whole ~3min music track with a never-ending monologue, it's so bizarre. Burning Hear deserved better :(
You just said it's okay for Naruto, but not okay for Goku.
Also, Luffy is an Adult in the current arc, and was near one at the start of the series (17 at the start, 19 in the current episodes). He was always voiced by a woman and I've never seen an issue with this. In fact, it's the same voice actor as Kuririn/Krillin, Mayumi Tanaka (who is now 64 years old). Also, Luffy in later episodes tends to be a lot more buff compared to earlier episodes, but I've never, ever, seen anyone complain about this.
So your reasoning continues to just simply not make sense to me. Again, stop using appearances as the default factor for how someone should always inherently sound.
Because Naruto's voice actress is doing a better job not sounding like a 70 year old woman. I don't know what to tell you. There's is no contradiction. I don't know why you're bringing up Naruto; I straight-up don't care. I'm talking about Nozawa's voice and her ability to make me believe that that voice is reasonable for that character.
Appearances matter because we understand that that kind of body type is basically impossible to achieve and maintain that voice. I don't want to get into a progressive-style debate here, but I'm curious to see if you can find an example of a body type like that with a similarly high voice. The testosterone involved deepens the voice significantly. And again, it's a fantasy show and it can do whatever it wants (Goku has alien physiology, of course), but I'm explaining why it feels out of place for an average viewer.
No shade to Nozawa at all. She's doing what she was asked to do, to the best of her ability.
What happened is a handful of songs went missing in the M&E tracks (Music & Effects tracks) provided to licensors. We're unsure why these weren't in the mixing tracks, but they weren't. Reportedly I heard that some of the songs were on separate mixing tapes, but ultimately either got lost in the shuffle or the licensor didn't realize that was the purpose of this tape. The Chinese dub is one of the rare ones that left most of the songs intact.
It's funny how many people complains about the Japanese voices and our dub here was with the original OST and even keep the Japanese screams. It was amazing.
You actually comparing the voice acting of a 12 year old boy to a 30+ year old man.
Japanese Goku has never sounded like an old woman to me. More like a goofy, naive and cartoonish weirdo adult child. The English dub voice has always just sounded like some dude to me.
Goku is a Saiyan, not a man. While they are similar to humans, there isn't enough information revealed in DB about their biological makeup to make determinations about how their voices should sound or whatever else.
My love of JP Goku is probably greatly rooted in my love of Hyper Dimension, I can still vividly recall that KAMEHAME-HA so strongly.
But also watching Super the voice really hits a perfect portrayal of the childish bumpkin he is, having grown up on DBZ dub.
But also watching Super the voice really hits a perfect portrayal of the childish bumpkin he is, having grown up on DBZ dub.
The dub transformation from the next episode is far better to be honest, it uses the Gohan Angers theme perfectly.
Dbza .. the voices in japanese are just too feminine in general, cant watch that version.
Also after watching the abridged series, that is the only canon in my head. Its just too good.
Also after watching the abridged series, that is the only canon in my head. Its just too good.
He looks like a normal adult male ( aside from the ridiculous hair ) so what you're saying is irrelevant.
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I love how the faulkner Scorer just overlays everything like a constant drone. Its less of a Soundtrack and more like Background noise cancelling out any emotions associated with the scene with noise just to guarantee that no child could ever get bored for even 5 seconds.
Also, that monologue.
Just ripping out and replacing an entire Soundtrack is so utterly disrespectful to all the Artists involved, too.
Also, that monologue.
Just ripping out and replacing an entire Soundtrack is so utterly disrespectful to all the Artists involved, too.
Lol. I would guess their biological makeup is pretty much the same since they mate with humans.
And underage anime girls who are naked are 1000 year old dragons I assume?
I think Goku just sounds weird. Didn't even know the voice actor was an old lady. Just never got into it after growing up with the English version . Which is wired cause I got into Luffy's voice and Naruto's Japanese voices okay.
OT: gonna go with the English and the abridged versions.
OT: gonna go with the English and the abridged versions.
I don't know what that has to do with Goku being an alien.
He's an alien. So saying that he must have a voice that fits what is supposed to be a human ideal (or the normative ideal for some here) for an adult male is not correct. Even if he looks like a human and can mate with humans, he could still have features that set him apart as an alien. Like, Saiyans are already in possession of superhuman strength and can change into giant apes. Having the potential for higher pitched voices is not a feature that is astoundingly bizarre when taking into account that they are alien beings. So, 'He's a man and should therefore sound like one' simply doesn't work.
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Honestly the soundtrack for the original version doesn't work for me at all and feels out of place tonally with what's going on. I sort of like the Abridged version a little more. The funimation version is alright but it isn't perfect either.
The DBZA version might come closest to sticking the landing simply because of the hard cut ending just after it happens.
The DBZA version might come closest to sticking the landing simply because of the hard cut ending just after it happens.
Happens a lot in anime. A lot of the high pitched guy voices have women in the roles. Luffy is voiced by a 60+ year old woman.
Honestly that hard cut works really well imho.
Going from the tears flowing to stopping and narrowing his eyes to the cut just helps it land so much more.
Japanese > Abridged > Dubbed versions
No amount of nostalgia can make the awkward line delivery (and terrible dialogue) and weirdly edited music preferable.
The howling wind and line delivery of the original are unmatched and I haaaate how the dub cant let scenes breathe without having music going constantly.
No amount of nostalgia can make the awkward line delivery (and terrible dialogue) and weirdly edited music preferable.
The howling wind and line delivery of the original are unmatched and I haaaate how the dub cant let scenes breathe without having music going constantly.
Spot on-take, although I love Schemmel's Goku too. Regardless, I've never taken to "Grandma/Granny Goku" either given the voice she's doing -- Dr. Kureha in One Piece is far more akin to an elderly woman.
I'm all for preference and admit there's elements of Faulconer's score I can appreciate via nostalgia, but you cannot sit here and tell me the generic-ass techno/synth/whatever for this scene even comes close to touching Spirit vs. Spirit. There's no weight behind it.
Nozawa's voice has seriously, seriously frayed in recent years. She's in her 80s, so it's understandable, but it's very hard to hear her scream in Super without just feeling bad for her. Most of her "HAAAAAAAAAAAA"s sound more like "HaaaAaaAaAAAaAaaA" now.
I'm not a big fan of Goku, Gohan and Goten all having the same voice aside from some very minor differences, either.
Yup. It's a better edited version of the Japanese version with a really dope cover song
Watched DBZ in English as a kid.
Can't watch it in Japanese as an adult. The Goku family's voices just bother me so much. Vegeta and Piccolo sound cool though.
Can't watch it in Japanese as an adult. The Goku family's voices just bother me so much. Vegeta and Piccolo sound cool though.
This isnt the first time ive seen this take and its so bizarre considering dbz is loved worldwide
the original didnt use music at all
It didn't, but the voice acting is still the best. Can't go wrong with Laura Torres' screaming.
falcouner's score is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. sorry it really just doesnt work for dbz imho. japanese score is goat. Japanese score and voices are goat. Masako Nozawa is a treasure. grandma goku ftw.
Yeah, that and they repeat the same few tracks for every scene awkwardly spliced together. The English dub has always been really trashy, and its weird to see people stick to their guns out of pure nostalgia.
The dialogue is far worse too. Like Gokus speech "I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. I am the protector of the innocent. I am the light in the darkness. I am Truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you! "
is one of the most hilariously bad rewrites I can think of.
Like they thought that not only could English speaking children not pay attention without constant background music, but the lines treat them like idiots who cant have a nuanced character instead of a corny bootleg superman.
I've never really understood the hatred toward Goku's Japanese voice. Like, Sean Schemmel is good too, but that doesn't make Nozowa bad at all. I honestly think the TFS voice for Goku isn't a bad english Goku either and something similar would work in an actual serious dub.
The dub really wasn't good until Kai, and Kikuchi's score was always better than Falcouner.
The dub really wasn't good until Kai, and Kikuchi's score was always better than Falcouner.
I loved the moment in all incarnations I saw, however I still hate it as well because it wasn't enough for him to defeat Cell alone which sort of weakened it's impact in hindsight.(otherwise I would consider it probably my favorite moment in the series)
To be fair, that was the very first American dub of that scene, they don't use those lines anymore.
Man I started laughing once the song started in the Japanese dub but then, watching the English and Kai dubs after...it just worked so well. It's still kinda funny listening to the "whooAAAAA" though.