This is some real fascist ass shit, the only acceptable violence is state violence? Jesus christ.
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2022 Oscars Nominations (See Staff Post)
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This is some real fascist ass shit, the only acceptable violence is state violence? Jesus christ.
I assume Chris was just reading off the teleprompter and some writing assistant somewhere is now icing their face and looking for a new job.
Dune (and every Villeneuve film, really) deserves to be experienced on the biggest screen available.
So is Coda any good? I hadn't heard of most of the BP nominees this year. To be honest, I'm kind of glad the ones I'd heard of didn't win
TBF there were a lot of Production issues. Playing "Africa" while Daniel Kaluuya walked on stage, the extreme close-ups during speeches, the nip-slip making it on TV three times during Smith's Speech. If it wasn't for the slap this would be getting more traction.
Because it's the biggest story in the world right now and I figured it would be weird if I hadn't heard about it.
Very good joke.
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Official Staff Communication
Staff are continuing to go through reports in the original thread, and we probably will for awhile considering that thread's size. It will also likely not be reopened, but that isn't determined at this point in time. Still, we have a lot to address since discussion has moved here, so sit down and get comfortable kids.
It is firstly most important to recognize the largest victim in this scenario: Jada Pinkett Smith. What happened to her last night is that, in a mostly white space, a Black woman was directly targeted by a person in a temporary position of power over her and made to feel lesser over an issue that not only is very personal for her, but one she cannot control. It's also an issue that, even if she could control it, inevitably plays into the sociopolitical ramifications of Black hair, especially Black women's hair, which is irrevocably tied to Black oppression. Look at the CROWN Act. Look at John Oliver's take on the matter. Hell, look at Rock's own documentary about the very subject. This is not a subject equivalent to the treatment of male pattern baldness in men, especially white men, and to treat it as such shows a telling ignorance of the matter. Pile on top of this all of the glaringly inappropriate comments about her relationship to her husband, which is all rooted in the realms of sexism and bias against those in open relationships, and what you have left at the end of it all is textbook misogynoir.
Ultimately, all Jada did last night was show up to support her husband in one of the most pivotal moments of his professional career, and she was not only attacked twice for it, but she has primarily been brought up only as a way to emasculate her husband. Jada was humiliated and then further dehumanized as a mere weapon, and that is unacceptable.
What is also unacceptable is the rampant ableism that has occurred in that thread. Of course the use of her alopecia in Chris Rock's set qualifies as this, but just as well, any psychological professional will tell you that a single moment of lost control or lack of inhibition is not any serious indicator or symptom of mental illness, or of more inappropriate terms such as being "unhinged" or "dangerous." All this kind of concern trolling and armchair diagnosis does is reinforce stereotypes that physical violence is strictly the realm of the mentally unwell, it upholds people to impossible and unrealistic standards, and it pushes away uncomfortable conversations about violence's role in the establishment and maintenance of modern society.
It cannot also be understated that these sorts of sentiments are further escalated when you factor in the Blackness of both Will Smith and Chris Rock. Black people are seen as more predominantly predisposed to violence than white people are, and thus any moment of violence on part of a Black person, especially in a predominantly white space, is amplified as an important moment, something to be outrageously afraid of, something that permanently stains not just the persons involved, but the Black community as a whole. And when you recall the fact that this is not even the first time that the Oscars have turned violent, and how little a moment where a white man had to be restrained by security from barreling down on a Native woman, actually mattered to both the lack of collective racialization of white people and an uptick in sociopolitical concern by entertainers about their safety on stage, then the double standard becomes even more obvious. Let's not even go down the road of the insistence that Rock should utilize the police against Smith, regardless of how he feels, in the aftermath of the police violence protests two years ago.
So when you get down to brass tacks, what happened last night? What happened is that Chris Rock made a dumb, dated joke about Jada Smith's lack of hair, which angered Will Smith enough to get up, open-hand slap him once, leave, and verbally berate him afterwards. Rock was understandably shocked but brushed off the incident with a calm reserve and jokes aimed at his own expense to continue on, and he ultimately decided not to press charges for the assault. Really... this is a nothingburger of an incident, beyond the fact that it happened between two multimillionaires at an awards show watched by millions around the globe.
Should you slap people for insulting your loved ones? Probably not. Was it illegal? Yes; Rock has a case if he wanted to pursue it. Is it understandable that Smith had a moment where he hit someone? Sure, human beings hit others for insults all the time, and as a highly-scrutinized celebrity, it's not surprising his threshold was reached tonight. Should a single slap be considered some watershed moment in the conversation about violence in America? Probably fucking not, considering the history and current status quo of America. Should every single illegal action that ever takes place be pursued by police involvement? Also probably fucking not. In an ironically more chill world, that thread would've been full of memes and maybe dropped off. Instead, staff are having to mill through nearly 100 reports and having to address this with a big statement because people who are constantly online can't just not be at 11 all the time.
In short, just go outside.
It is firstly most important to recognize the largest victim in this scenario: Jada Pinkett Smith. What happened to her last night is that, in a mostly white space, a Black woman was directly targeted by a person in a temporary position of power over her and made to feel lesser over an issue that not only is very personal for her, but one she cannot control. It's also an issue that, even if she could control it, inevitably plays into the sociopolitical ramifications of Black hair, especially Black women's hair, which is irrevocably tied to Black oppression. Look at the CROWN Act. Look at John Oliver's take on the matter. Hell, look at Rock's own documentary about the very subject. This is not a subject equivalent to the treatment of male pattern baldness in men, especially white men, and to treat it as such shows a telling ignorance of the matter. Pile on top of this all of the glaringly inappropriate comments about her relationship to her husband, which is all rooted in the realms of sexism and bias against those in open relationships, and what you have left at the end of it all is textbook misogynoir.
Ultimately, all Jada did last night was show up to support her husband in one of the most pivotal moments of his professional career, and she was not only attacked twice for it, but she has primarily been brought up only as a way to emasculate her husband. Jada was humiliated and then further dehumanized as a mere weapon, and that is unacceptable.
What is also unacceptable is the rampant ableism that has occurred in that thread. Of course the use of her alopecia in Chris Rock's set qualifies as this, but just as well, any psychological professional will tell you that a single moment of lost control or lack of inhibition is not any serious indicator or symptom of mental illness, or of more inappropriate terms such as being "unhinged" or "dangerous." All this kind of concern trolling and armchair diagnosis does is reinforce stereotypes that physical violence is strictly the realm of the mentally unwell, it upholds people to impossible and unrealistic standards, and it pushes away uncomfortable conversations about violence's role in the establishment and maintenance of modern society.
It cannot also be understated that these sorts of sentiments are further escalated when you factor in the Blackness of both Will Smith and Chris Rock. Black people are seen as more predominantly predisposed to violence than white people are, and thus any moment of violence on part of a Black person, especially in a predominantly white space, is amplified as an important moment, something to be outrageously afraid of, something that permanently stains not just the persons involved, but the Black community as a whole. And when you recall the fact that this is not even the first time that the Oscars have turned violent, and how little a moment where a white man had to be restrained by security from barreling down on a Native woman, actually mattered to both the lack of collective racialization of white people and an uptick in sociopolitical concern by entertainers about their safety on stage, then the double standard becomes even more obvious. Let's not even go down the road of the insistence that Rock should utilize the police against Smith, regardless of how he feels, in the aftermath of the police violence protests two years ago.
So when you get down to brass tacks, what happened last night? What happened is that Chris Rock made a dumb, dated joke about Jada Smith's lack of hair, which angered Will Smith enough to get up, open-hand slap him once, leave, and verbally berate him afterwards. Rock was understandably shocked but brushed off the incident with a calm reserve and jokes aimed at his own expense to continue on, and he ultimately decided not to press charges for the assault. Really... this is a nothingburger of an incident, beyond the fact that it happened between two multimillionaires at an awards show watched by millions around the globe.
Should you slap people for insulting your loved ones? Probably not. Was it illegal? Yes; Rock has a case if he wanted to pursue it. Is it understandable that Smith had a moment where he hit someone? Sure, human beings hit others for insults all the time, and as a highly-scrutinized celebrity, it's not surprising his threshold was reached tonight. Should a single slap be considered some watershed moment in the conversation about violence in America? Probably fucking not, considering the history and current status quo of America. Should every single illegal action that ever takes place be pursued by police involvement? Also probably fucking not. In an ironically more chill world, that thread would've been full of memes and maybe dropped off. Instead, staff are having to mill through nearly 100 reports and having to address this with a big statement because people who are constantly online can't just not be at 11 all the time.
In short, just go outside.
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I wasn't going to watch Coda because I heard it was cheesy but good excuse to watch it now. Also I'll be hated for this but thought Schumer had a few good jokes the I Love Lucy movie not being funny one was good. Liked the Wanda Sykes skit as well.
Glad you liked it! A lot of my annoyance comes from it being so good but having to wait 2 years for the next movie, like it wasn't even a normal Part 1 / 2 situation where they film them both at the same time. It was the audacity of WB to potentially leave us hanging like that forever. I bet they are kicking themselves for not greenlighting it sooner especially after last night.
Glad you liked it! A lot of my annoyance comes from it being so good but having to wait 2 years for the next movie, like it wasn't even a normal Part 1 / 2 situation where they film them both at the same time. It was the audacity of WB to potentially leave us hanging like that forever. I bet they are kicking themselves for not greenlighting it sooner especially after last night.
I didn't know they were happening either, lol.
I saw all this stuff on the internet last night, I was like, damn, o yea, the Oscars.
Props to Dune.
Saw a person saying what if it was Betty White that Will Smith slapped.
Yes. There will be some who want to say its not, but it is. Is it personally top 5 of the year for me? No. Maybe Top 10 but squeaking in there. It's a perfectly find film that's a safe choice as BP, but don't let that make it sound it isn't good.
Did they shut the movie off just as the credits started? lol
This is, I think, the best summation I've seen of my own complicated feelings that have developed around the topic over the last day, and having seen them put so clearly I'm now comfortable removing myself from the conversation
This is absolutely insane.
You really need to take a step back if you're calling for a person's career to be ended over something like this.
Okay, I somehow missed that Coda win. I wonder what overshadowed it. Haven't seen Coda but it seemed like a very vanilla movie. Good to hear it's at least decent.
It actually doesn't, because unlike Chris making a joke someone may or may not think was funny (most of the audience including Will apparently thought it was), Will was NOT actually "allowed" to do what he did.
That's not what that person was insinuating. They were stating, truthfully, that "loves makes you do crazy things" is a bullshit and unacceptable excuse for violence.
Damn, that is the best staff communication I've ever seen on Era. Took the time to cover every possible avenue of the situation.
Superbly put, extremely well informed and informational to those whom may need to know and be educated.
I thought the slap looked worked but clearly wasn't.
Was the joke crass? Probably so but Smith reaction was ridiculous.
Was the joke crass? Probably so but Smith reaction was ridiculous.
Perfect mod post.
I may be wrong though
I interpreted that as asking "is it really based on a true story?"
I may be wrong though
bravo. Thanks for putting it all in one good and long post.
fuck lol
I mean, a bunch of Ukrainian/Russian ones (obviously in the vein of Russia/Putin being the punchline) are getting posted. I enjoy the levity and agree they're part of the "culture" to whatever extent; but this might not be the time/thread for it (we got a "laugh" thread just for this sorta thing, with some memes from last night's drama there)
I agree with mod post that in grand scheme of things it's a thing between two millionaires and wouldn't amount to much in terms of lasting damage.
Also...memes are ok to post or no? Because in the end that will be the cultural throughput of the entire ordeal.
Also...memes are ok to post or no? Because in the end that will be the cultural throughput of the entire ordeal.
What does man-on-woman domestic violence have to do with Smith and Rock situation? Why even tie it to that speech? Why have folks in the replies running with the "crazy abuser" narrative?
If Sir Anthony Hopkins made the joke they might have a point. Rock was always going to be physically fine if not a little embarrassed, handled it like a pro honestly afterword. As shocking and funny as the whole thing was I do wish it hadn't gone down where it did. At least not live on camera, you gotta do what you gotta do but I was excited for him to win the big one and it put a cloud over his win and the whole night.
really?
is will smith / a hero ????
Will Smith apologizes: 'I was out of line and I was wrong'
Will Smith has apologized to Chris Rock for slapping the comedian onstage at Sunday’s Oscars, writing in a statement that he was “out of line” and “wrong.”
apnews.com
Will Smith apologizes: 'I was out of line and I was wrong'
Will Smith has apologized to Chris Rock for slapping the comedian onstage at Sunday’s Oscars, writing in a statement that he was “out of line” and “wrong.”
Now do Weinstein and Polanski
Blaming someone else for causing "strong emotions" to justify your own violent actions is bullshit.
One of the best explained and best laid out staff posts I have seen. You covered everything. Thank you.
Fantastically written and definitely made me look at it through a new perspective! Thank you for this.
Now let this be the last Oscars show. It's boring as hell and just celebrates niche movies most people have no interest in seeing.
It's not bullshit at all. There are a variety of situations where someone else's actions justify strong emotions and even possible violence if extreme enough.
Your argument was debunked several times last night in the other thread before it was locked.
Lol its nuts, just a free-for-all of misplaced righteousness
Thanks for ignoring my questions