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2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debate V |OT| All Coastal Elite Wrestling
- Thread starter Bronx-Man
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the only people who seemed to do well tonight were the low pollers. beto, booker, and castro mostly.
Kamala: did well. landed some zingers. Executed well on not being far left.
Bernie: didn't differentiate himself from Warren.
Warren: didn't differentiate herself from Biden.
Biden: did what he needed to do. I can't stand him, but I'm not blind. He did what he needed to do to hold on to his lead.
Castro: He didn't destroy Biden. But he did enough to raise in the polls.
Bernie: didn't differentiate himself from Warren.
Warren: didn't differentiate herself from Biden.
Biden: did what he needed to do. I can't stand him, but I'm not blind. He did what he needed to do to hold on to his lead.
Castro: He didn't destroy Biden. But he did enough to raise in the polls.
Yeah, after a bit, I thought he was doing well, putting out decent attacks against Sanders and Warren (I disagreed with them of course), but then it all fell apart in an instant with his ramble on the segregation question.
All of his dad's side of the family were wiped out in the holocaust
and his mom died when he was in high school
As I said, I am not interested right now in arguing where the Overton window is. I think that is a concern, but you yourself are missing some critical pieces of input on calculating that.
More competition doesn't produce better consumer pricing or choice though. That's the paradoxical problem with for-profit insurance(and health insurance in general) and why Switzerland continues to struggle with costs compared to countries anchored around single-payer. The way insurers can actually provide lower consumer prices is through larger market share, because it better spreads risk, increases leverage over often stronger positioned hospitals and care specialists. But the slimmer administrative costs and maximal economies of scale of single-payer will always outperform a fractured, less market-leading private insurer(while providing total consumer choice). And as someone that worked on the administrative side for a major regional hospital, private insurers, even large ones, do far less in terms of negotiating than you could imagine.
And so frankly, I might actually be more inclined to give a pass to the Biden's, Harris's, and Klobucher's on this if they at least had a logically consistent ethos they were arguing from that wasn't poised for the same pitfalls as their predecessor who was actually far more savvy. But their position is equally if not more faulty long-term than the left-wing alternative. As there is not a world where a strong, well structured public option that can get us to UHC also preserves consumer private insurance choice. The only way you preserve that is by anchoring your system around that notion(Switzerland) or you implement a crippled public option that is insanely subsidized and much more expensive over the long haul than a major transition to single-payer.
Their pathway creates the exact same problem(and more) except they are locking themselves into the same set of lies that Obama caught himself up with. If the Overton window is so central to you, you should be equally mad at how poorly they are trying to argue within it.
So I am fine with the Overton window conversation, but if you don't think there are insanely, critically flawed issues with the moderate wings approach that will walk us right into the same problems we have now with the ACA, you are naiively mistaken.
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About to say, Rahm was known for being the guy who got things done by being an ass.
It's suggested as being disqualifying because it goes against what the country is looking for in a candidate. It was also inaccurate.
I think this is what a lot of the Democratic base doesn't understand with regards to the strength of Biden. He's looked upon as a forceful, strong and balanced voice against Trump. We need a new path, he's a guarantee towards a new path that's, in a word, comfortable.
Comfortable is comforting and a strength that is hard to replicate. It's a guiding light towards fixing the broken aspects of our country.
I think this is what a lot of the Democratic base doesn't understand with regards to the strength of Biden. He's looked upon as a forceful, strong and balanced voice against Trump. We need a new path, he's a guarantee towards a new path that's, in a word, comfortable.
Comfortable is comforting and a strength that is hard to replicate. It's a guiding light towards fixing the broken aspects of our country.
Just save it for November. Likely we'll lose a few then.
I mean he's not wrong but..... there's not much daylight between anyone on the stage there.
i missed your Beto posts Bobo, glad to see you around again
real talk, at this point, punditry is real fucking stupid. maybe they talk to the average non-politically inclined person... but for any reasonable adult that pays a bit of attention, they all offer absolutely nothing and that they have the ability to actually set discourse is a tragedy. it's all dumb fluff, just like the garbage that stephan a smith or skip bayless spew, except about politics, which is absurd considering actual lives are at stake here.
ppl are better off not wasting time on it. or better yet, just axing it from the general media altogether.
ppl are better off not wasting time on it. or better yet, just axing it from the general media altogether.
biden aint changing shit
being comfortable is a delusion, people need to not go back to sleep
Shit debate. They were really trying to prop up the lame candidates, and all I wanted to hear was Bernie, Warren, and Biden cause that's all that matters.
Waste of time, except for the fact Biden may lower even more.
Waste of time, except for the fact Biden may lower even more.
"Did you forget" is pretty clear...
Especially odd as that was the weird misrepresentation of Biden's plan.
One thing I will say after watching this, is that my confidence in Biden continues to dip. I mean it's already low after the first 2 debates and his many mishaps in public appearances, but damn... . I don't think anyone did extremely well, but Biden is definitely showing me more and more that he shouldn't be the leading democrat.
can someone explain to me why its outrageous that there werent abortion questions directed at a field of candidates who all have virtually identical positions on abortion
New path from Trump. A return to form, which is what a lot of people want. Right or wrong.
The corporate media's shameless adoration of Biden is entirely predictable, but doesn't make it any less sickening and barf-worthy
Thanks. Still trying to focus less on politics, so probably won't be posting much.
Beto is quick with these t-shirts lol
Fuck this stupid resilience question. What is the, interviews for a high school yearbook club? This kind of question can never result in anything but vague platitudes and old sayings.
He could bring back the Trans Am and the tall boys.Biden:
Democrats never win with prevent defense...but we never learn.
Same.
It's really a shame that he's the frontrunner. There are so many better candidates running right now.
Well of course not. I'm not advocating that.
Hillary Clinton's campaign is proof of that. They didn't go on the offense and didn't fight for Democratic strongholds and it cost her the election (PA, MI, etc). This is a different problem.
yep, just as how people in power want
"just hold the line....as we move the line to the right"
dems are weak to tug of war confirmed
Not saying you are, just building on what you were speaking to