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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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Variety of things, including but not exclusive to military service. Essentially (paid?) Volunteer work for the betterment of society. Should absolutely not be mandatory, but I don't think he's pitching it that way either.
He waffles on saying if it should be mandatory or not, but he explicitly says he wants it to be a "social norm."
As someone vehemently anti-war and anti-imperialist, that proposal disgusts me.
Something something BernieBros, but seriously I'm glad he's learned from 2016 and has done better to reach out to PoC. I think he'll do consistently better in the south because of it.
Unless your going to replace a year of high school with this, yah no. Should absolutely not be mandatory.
The military thing is weird. It's nice to see we can have a gay candidate be taken seriously, and he seems to have a talent for packaging left leaning ideas in a way that a more conservative electorate might find more palatable, but... Military service, really? That is an absurd idea.
Agreed.
He specifically mentions military service, though, and even mentions Bush by name in regards to it. The article is pretty direct about it.
Not sure why any Democratic candidate would think this would be a popular platform by any means.
Well, he mentioned military to start, because the question was literally about his military service.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...vice-to-boost-national-cohesion-1494493763766
There's the bit that spawned the article. When he starts talking about national service, he talks about civilian or military, and the need to create more services and opportunities for this.
It's clear he's not talking about a draft. He even says so in the article. It's presented as an option, but it's not exclusively military service. He only mentions that his own military service was helpful to him and other past presidents. He also mentions that it shouldn't be made legally obligatory.
Carry on with trying to cancel Mayor Pete guys.
Carry on with trying to cancel Mayor Pete guys.
As someone currently in the military, contract ends soon, national service is pretty fucking cool.
Just today I was hanging out with people from: Texas, Virginia, Washington, Arizona, Florida, and Ohio.
If I hadn't enlisted I probably would have never met these people.
And damn.
We really are all just the same regardless of geography.
The only thing that separates us is class. And with my fellow servicemen/women i find that we're all either middle class or poor as shit lol.
They're as fun to hang out with as my fellow Floridians are.
Sure, some of them are oblivious to racial issues, but hanging out with me just opens them up to it and only helps in educating them.
obviously we drank a bit tonight so sorry if this didn't make sense.
All I'm saying is that states are bummshit and we are all the same people.
Just today I was hanging out with people from: Texas, Virginia, Washington, Arizona, Florida, and Ohio.
If I hadn't enlisted I probably would have never met these people.
And damn.
We really are all just the same regardless of geography.
The only thing that separates us is class. And with my fellow servicemen/women i find that we're all either middle class or poor as shit lol.
They're as fun to hang out with as my fellow Floridians are.
Sure, some of them are oblivious to racial issues, but hanging out with me just opens them up to it and only helps in educating them.
obviously we drank a bit tonight so sorry if this didn't make sense.
All I'm saying is that states are bummshit and we are all the same people.
I'm obviously not for mandatory military service, but it would show people that the military isn't anything special and maybe we'd stop putting people who serve on a pedestal.
Mandatory national service is an election losing issue. People are going to go fuck no and vote Trump if he's the nominee
For being a political nobody a few months ago with a mixed record and relatively little experience some of you are really fervent in your defense of him.
The hype ain't behind Kamala or Beto, a new Great Liberal Hope must be found.
Beto still has hype too though
If I could rank the current "hype meters" it would be:
Bernie
Buttiegieg
Beto
Biden
Warren
Yang
Harris
Beto still doing great in fundraising and drawing big crowds. Just because he doesn't go on TV doesn't mean he doesn't have hype. Pete has been ordained by big money donors and the media to be THE GUY though
I've been critical of his position on healthcare, free college, and Israel. I'll more than likely even end up voting Warren or Bernie.
But a lot of the "controversies" that suddenly popped up about him (conveniently all within a week of the Q1 fundraising releases that showed he could be a threat), are often completely devoid of essential context or outright false. It's a pretty blatant attempt to kill his campaign in the crib before he can threaten other candidates for the nomination. Nobody even bothered to respond to or refute the post that actually addressed the wire tapping and housing controversies.
how is it even possible to still like this dude
he's also dreamy as shit but fuck if he isn't awful on some shit
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Lol era never fails to fit its stereotype. Agree or disagree, but do some of you even try to read and understand candidates positions, or do you just try to find more reasons to hate people that aren't your preferred candidate.
Honestly, I could care less what you agree or disagree on, but I know people don't do that here in good faith. Maybe try to explain why you disagree and provide your own reasoning on what can be done for that certain issue. And also try to understand why that candidate believes what they do. It may lead to a more empathetic and productive discussion.
Honestly, I could care less what you agree or disagree on, but I know people don't do that here in good faith. Maybe try to explain why you disagree and provide your own reasoning on what can be done for that certain issue. And also try to understand why that candidate believes what they do. It may lead to a more empathetic and productive discussion.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE [insert candidate] SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR [insert candidate] AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR [insert candidate]. HATE. HATE.
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Why is it always the low post no Avatar users that make claims like this?
Who's more likely to be Bernie's VP candidate:
Andrew Gillum
Stacey Abrams
Elizabeth Warren
Beto O'Rourke
Kamala Harris
My pick is Andrew Gillum.
Andrew Gillum
Stacey Abrams
Elizabeth Warren
Beto O'Rourke
Kamala Harris
My pick is Andrew Gillum.
Because most people don't bother to make an account and try to convince people here of anything. I've been a lurker for awhile, just never got around to making an account. It just frustrates me to see ridiculous statements thrown around here.
I hope you're not implying what I think you are by that comment, btw. Would fit right in with what I'm saying
I think Stacey and Kamala are definitely on the shortlist.
He said he wants his VP to be a younger WoC preferably.
Pete has had this national service idea for some time (here in 2004):
Some European countries like Germany had a military conscription and a mandatory national service alternative for those who didn't want to/couldn't join the army but conscription's since been abolished and the mandatory national service program has been replaced with a volunteer-based on. Pete needs to say what his national service would look like, precisely, but meh. I don't think this is a winning issue!
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/3/8/future-imperfect-i-doubt-the-bush/
Some European countries like Germany had a military conscription and a mandatory national service alternative for those who didn't want to/couldn't join the army but conscription's since been abolished and the mandatory national service program has been replaced with a volunteer-based on. Pete needs to say what his national service would look like, precisely, but meh. I don't think this is a winning issue!
Then call those posters out and refute their assertions directly. Posting into the void gets you no where.
As long as it's not mandatory and is coupled with incentives like free tuition, trade schools, etc., I would love to see a big expansion and emphasis in Peace Corps/Americorps civil service programs. I don't know what people have against that? Obviously if it was mandatory conscription I'd have a problem, but damn, I didn't know how many people consider the Peace Corps to be an imperialist/ problematic venture lol. I almost signed up after college.
It's gonna be either Abrams or Harris (if Bernie needs her for superdelegates)
Also, lol
Yeah not necessarily. Just how about you directly confront statements that bother you instead of pointlessly saying "ERA IS ALL THE SAME".
I'm thinking Harris. I believe Abrams might do another senate run, and Warren would be better served in a position to flex her policy prowess.
he says he's going to pick a younger woman
i dont believe he ever mentioned the VP being a WoC but that's probably a given i guess
Fair enough. I will not be posting much, mostly out of time, but I will provide some listening points.
These are perfect examples of drive-by posts that provide nothing of substance while never actually taking Pete's point into consideration. Pete gets into more detail here (start around 14:06)
https://youtu.be/x2DMVu6CLZ4?t=846
His idea with national service is to help solve the threat of "social cohesion" defined by this presidency. The main points to take away:
- If not "Legally obligatory then a social norm"
- Civilian or Military
I mean, he's been throwing support behind the tax proposals Sanders/Warren/AOC have been churning out, said capitalism has been harming democracy in his lifetime, was the son of the world's leading Grimsci scholar, and has been criticizing the Dem leadership for following the Reagan consensus since he was like 18 years old, but sure.
I get what you're saying. At least now you've given them an opportunity to defend their position. If they don't respond that's on them. This thread is largely the same dozen people beating each other to death. Characterizing "ERA" in a single swipe based on this thread is disingenuous considering that many, many posters have gone into great detail/nuance on their positions. Over and over. Better to focus on them.
Re: Pete and his National Service. I see what Pete is going for. I don't even think it's a bad idea, but him playing at the edges of making it obligatory is a bad look that's going to draw easy criticism from multiple camps. I think if he wants to push this kinda thing, he should lead off with, "It's voluntary!"
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