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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt

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Raster said:
I think they might be referring to Beto's father in law, William Sanders, who is allegedly a billionaire.
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In the context of Beto having his name it makes no sense since Beto was already Beto by the time he got married.

And his father in law while rich does not seem to have any sort of overt political connections so it wouldn't make sense to call him the "political elite" either.

In general saying Beto comes from the "political elite" doesnt make any sense no matter how you look at it.
 
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I saw a twitter post saying they don't like Mayor pete because he thinks Chelsea Manning should be in jail.

At what point do people realize that some issues are complex and there is more than one way to look at an issue, and any one thing could be disagreed on but still support the candidate.
 
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gutter_trash said:
aside from anarchism, there is no such thing as a Libertarian Socialist government or Libertarian Social-Democracy government.

LOL, especially in Europe where most of those fabled Scandinavian countries are highly interventionist themselves.
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What does Social Democratic states existing have to do with libertarian socialist theory other than both having the word "social" in them?
 
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Big Yoshi said:
I saw a twitter post saying they don't like Mayor pete because he thinks Chelsea Manning should be in jail.

At what point do people realize that some issues are complex and there is more than one way to look at an issue, and any one thing could be disagreed on but still support the candidate.
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Whether you think Chelsea Manning should be in prison or not is a pretty binary choice. Didn't he also say she shouldn't have received clemency?

Talking down to people who disagree with you by saying issues are "complex" doesn't help your case. It's just a way to sugarcoat politicians taking bad positions.
 

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Cheebo said:
This post makes no sense.

In what world was Beto's dad a "political elite"? His dad was a nobody who mostly had failed local political bids.
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His dad was an ambitious county judge. If he hadn't died in an accident, he'd probably have done more.

We can recognize that Joe Kennedy's dad was from the political elite, too, right?
 

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emag said:
His dad was an ambitious county judge. If he hadn't died in an accident, he'd probably have done more.
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Local county judges are not "political elites" and he had multiple failed attempts at higher political office before he died, none successful. He wasn't going anywhere.

Betos dad under no circumstance was political elite.
 

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emag said:
His dad was an ambitious county judge. If he hadn't died in an accident, he'd probably have done more.

We can recognize that Joe Kennedy's dad was from the political elite, too, right?
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A county judge with high ambitions is not from the political elite lmao.
 

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emag said:
His dad was an ambitious county judge. If he hadn't died in an accident, he'd probably have done more.

We can recognize that Joe Kennedy's dad was from the political elite, too, right?
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So a county judge who MIGHT have accomplished more had he not died early is now part of the political elite? Please.
 
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kambaybolongo said:
Whether you think Chelsea Manning should be in prison or not is a pretty binary choice. Didn't he also say she shouldn't have received clemency?

Talking down to people who disagree with you by saying issues are "complex" doesn't help your case. It's just a way to sugarcoat politicians taking bad positions.
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She received clemency because the military prisons weren't properly addressing her trans medical needs, not because she didn't deserve to be there.
 

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Big Yoshi said:
I saw a twitter post saying they don't like Mayor pete because he thinks Chelsea Manning should be in jail.

At what point do people realize that some issues are complex and there is more than one way to look at an issue, and any one thing could be disagreed on but still support the candidate.
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"Complex motives"

Buttigieg has made it clear that he couldn't care less about war crimes and human rights abuses, whether committed by the US military or Israeli IDF.
 
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Raster said:
I think they might be referring to Beto's father in law, William Sanders, who is allegedly a billionaire.
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Yea most likely, its a bit silly to say that though since he would have only been a member of the political elite recently and would have nothing to do with getting a nickname early in life.
 

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I wanted to be president when I was 12 so I'm part of the political elite now y'all.

Show some respect.
 
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Biden on MSNBC right now... sounds like he's definitely running.

I don't think its been a good interview for him though. Talks about how he's liberal vs progressive...
 

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I just gotta say the claim that Betos no name county judge dad is a political elite similar to Joe Kennedy, an influential political figure at the national level like emag claimed is one of the weirdest takes I have ever seen about Beto. Like, what.

Betos dad....a county judge.

Compared to Joe Kennedy as a fellow political elite....a man who served multiple posts in the FDR White House. Including ambassador to the UK during World War II.

Influential important figure in the FDR White House......no name county judge. Both political elites.

Seriously. WHAT.
 

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SweetNicole said:
I'm going to need a source for this claim.
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1. Silence in his book regarding the brown civilian casualties while he loudly laments the American military losses (while Pete himself was stationed in Afghanistan).
2. Decrying whistle-blowing of atrocities by Snowden and Manning: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/
2. Blaming Palestinians for their plight and supporting the IDF attacks on protestors in his appearance on the View and in interviews: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine
 
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ViewtifulJC said:
So is Biden just Democrat's Trump or what

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I just gotta say the claim that Betos no name county judge dad is a political elite similar to Joe Kennedy, an influential political figure at the national level like @emag claimed is one of the weirdest takes I have ever seen about Beto. Like, what.
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I compared Beto's father to Joe Kennedy's FATHER, P.J. Kennedy.

But whatever. I'll concede the argument. My comment didn't add value to the discussion, and the replies have only sidetracked more meaningful issues.
 

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emag said:
I compared Beto's father to Joe Kennedy's FATHER, P.J. Kennedy.

But whatever. I'll concede the argument.
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PJ Kennedy was one of the most influential Democrats in the major city of Boston. He even spoke at the national Democratic convention for Grover Cleveland. A local county judge in a small rural county....is not any better of a comparison.

That comparison also holds zero merit whatsoever.
 
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I think I saw some people do this a couple pages back, but I'm gonna rank my picks:

Elizabeth Warren-- I was Bernie all day before, but the more I listen or read about Warren, the more I like here. The way she talks about regulation is what I think a winning approach would be. Chance of beating trump? 4/10
Bernie Sanders-- When I discovered Bernie in 2015, I was sold. He said things that I had been ridiculed for saying before by my father, and he was getting popular for it. I do wish he had picked a younger person to campaign for, but there are very few nationally known eligible Democratic Socialists. Chance of beating trump? 8/10
Beto O'Rourke-- I almost thought he'd beat Teddy O'Cruz, but he didn't. Either way, there was a certain feel of Betomania in the country during that election, more so than in Texas itself, and it leads me to believe he has the best chance of beating Trump. Chance of beating trump? 9/10
Pete Buttigieg-- Dude is so fucking smart I love it. He's not winning this primary tho. Chance of beating trump? 5/10
Kamala Harris-- Announced too early, but I did love her all those times she grilled those crooks on TV. Chance of beating trump? 6/10


Joe Biden? I wish he wouldn't fucking run, but his chance at beating trump is 6/10 I believe.
Theres a big idea since the last election that people don't want more of the same, yet I think that's the exact reason why Biden is popular, people want to be back in the pre trump days, and Biden reminds them of that. I think that's a mistake tho, because what some people want more is hope and progress, and Biden doesn't really scream that.
 
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emag said:
1. Silence in his book regarding the brown civilian casualties while he loudly laments the American military losses (while Pete himself was stationed in Afghanistan).
2. Decrying whistle-blowing of atrocities by Snowden and Manning: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/
2. Blaming Palestinians for their plight and supporting the IDF attacks on protestors in his appearance on the View and in interviews: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine
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Fuckin A. Cancelled for me then.

I'll vote if it comes down to him obviously, but woof on those positions.
 
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emag said:
1. Silence in his book regarding the brown civilian casualties while he loudly laments the American military losses (while Pete himself was stationed in Afghanistan).
2. Decrying whistle-blowing of atrocities by Snowden and Manning: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/
2. Blaming Palestinians for their plight and supporting the IDF attacks on protestors in his appearance on the View and in interviews: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine
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That's disappointing. I liked a lot of the stuff Pete had to say so far.
 
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emag said:
1. Silence in his book regarding the brown civilian casualties while he loudly laments the American military losses (while Pete himself was stationed in Afghanistan).
2. Decrying whistle-blowing of atrocities by Snowden and Manning: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/
2. Blaming Palestinians for their plight and supporting the IDF attacks on protestors in his appearance on the View and in interviews: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine
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#1 is ridiculously unfair.
 

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Kirblar said:
#1 is ridiculously unfair.
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Buttigieg writes of how as an American he was duty bound to join the military (where he worked on data analytics in Afghanistan, perhaps for drone strikes?) and how no one could possibly have known Saddam Hussein didn't have nukes. The entire book is full of jingoism and tech/finance-bro platitudes, with willful ignorance of the plight of victims and the less fortunate.

He embodies the ethics of his former employer, McKinsey & Company (the consulting group aiding Saudi Arabia in silencing dissidents, at the heart of a corruption probe in South Africa, developer of Purdue Pharma's strategy to push opiod abuse, and major player in the housing market bubble & collapse).
 
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emag said:
Buttigieg writes of how as an American he was duty bound to join the military and how no one could possibly have known Saddam Hussein didn't have nukes. The entire book is full of jingoism and tech/finance-bro platitudes, with willful ignorance of the plight of victims and the less fortunate.

He embodies the ethics of his former employer, McKinsey & Company: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/business/purdue-pharma-mckinsey-oxycontin-opiods.html
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Criticizing on what he wrote is fine, criticizing him for what you are mad he didn't write about in a personal memoir is ridiculous. He got smacked (rightfully) over the "no one could have known" stuff cause many, many people saw completely through the "WMDs" nonsense as the paper thin pretext that it was at the time.
 
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emag said:
1. Silence in his book regarding the brown civilian casualties while he loudly laments the American military losses (while Pete himself was stationed in Afghanistan).
2. Decrying whistle-blowing of atrocities by Snowden and Manning: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/
2. Blaming Palestinians for their plight and supporting the IDF attacks on protestors in his appearance on the View and in interviews: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine
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Time to #cancel Pete again

Who will be my no.3 now?
 
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kambaybolongo said:
Whether you think Chelsea Manning should be in prison or not is a pretty binary choice. Didn't he also say she shouldn't have received clemency?

Talking down to people who disagree with you by saying issues are "complex" doesn't help your case. It's just a way to sugarcoat politicians taking bad positions.
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Is it really that controversial to say Manning shouldn't have been pardoned considering how reckless she acted with leaking classified information? especially compared to Snowden? There isn't a perfect answer to every moral problem and I don't think Manning is a hill to die on.

emag said:
1. Silence in his book regarding the brown civilian casualties while he loudly laments the American military losses (while Pete himself was stationed in Afghanistan).
2. Decrying whistle-blowing of atrocities by Snowden and Manning: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/
2. Blaming Palestinians for their plight and supporting the IDF attacks on protestors in his appearance on the View and in interviews: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine
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This is a huge yikes though. I'm off the Pete train.
 
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