2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate

sphagnum · Jan 28, 2019

Cheebo said:
Ah so thats why multiple news outlets reported on how sexist the meme was?

This is a weird criteria. You could pull examples of news outlets reporting on any subject, or posting op-eds on any position, but that doesn't give it an objective quality.

To say that the meme is sexist relies on the point of the meme being "Hillary is fake because she's a girl!", but that's not evident in the meme itself anywhere. The point of the meme was to contrast Bernie's perceived authenticity with Hillary's perceived inauthenticity. The meme would not work with, say, AOC on the right side.

JustinP · Jan 28, 2019

xbhaskarx said:
No way this (or his pro Fidel Castro comments) will hurt Bernie in a general election campaign, middle of the road voters in Wisconsin and Ohio love this sort of thing, as evidence just check out all the responses from cool internet kids about how this makes them like Bernie *even more*!

https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081

The "presumed soviets" are mostly part of the 12 person delegation from Burlington, Vermont and it wasn't actually their honeymoon, but a trip that was part of Burlington's sister-city program that happened to follow their wedding (which they joked about).

https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...-will-reminds-readers-about-bernie-sanders-u/

Bronx-Man · Jan 28, 2019

Communism is actually Very Cool tbqh

sphagnum · Jan 28, 2019

Bronx-Man said:
Communism is actually Very Cool tbqh

Cosigned. Maybe I'd have supported Hillary in the primaries if she had reenacted the Khrushchev corn picture in Iowa.

Bronx-Man · Jan 28, 2019

Where does Pop-Tarts stand on ending hunger in America? 🤔

Deleted member 3896 · Jan 28, 2019

xbhaskarx said:
No way this (or his pro Fidel Castro comments) will hurt Bernie in a general election campaign, middle of the road voters in Wisconsin and Ohio love this sort of thing, as evidence just check out all the responses from cool internet kids about how this makes them like Bernie *even more*!

https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081

Not really a big deal, although this would probably be bad optics in a general. But Sanders has so much baggage already around him with regards to his racist statements, shrugging at social issues, not bothering to vote on sanctions against Deripaska, and being wobbly on gun control for starters that this should be the least of his worries.

Deleted member 13364 · Jan 28, 2019

Imagine how much of a sad sack pearl clutcher you'd have to be to watch that Bernie video and not think "I wish my mom and dad were that cool".

Deleted member 13364 · Jan 28, 2019

Anyone know where Bernie stands on the Space Force?

Deleted member 78 · Jan 28, 2019

Number of Completion said:
Anyone know where Bernie stands on the Space Force?

pigeon · Jan 28, 2019

I don't get why they all took their shirts off, isn't Russia like...cold

Maxim726x · Jan 28, 2019

Mercury Fred said:
Not really a big deal, although this would probably be bad optics in a general. But Sanders has so much baggage already around him with regards to his racist statements, shrugging at social issues, not bothering to vote on sanctions against Deripaska, and being wobbly on gun control for starters that this should be the least of his worries.

This is how deep we're digging now?

"Person enjoyed themselves in Russia 30 something years ago".

God damn. I'm pretty Bernie burnt at this point but seriously that's a load of horseshit.

Deleted member 3896 · Jan 28, 2019

Maxim726x said:
This is how deep we're digging now?

"Person enjoyed themselves in Russia 30 something years ago".

God damn. I'm pretty Bernie burnt at this point but seriously that's a load of horseshit.

I said I don't think this is a big deal. But you don't think Rs would try to twist this in a general?

InASnowBoundLand · Jan 28, 2019

Dopus said:

Good stuff.

Deleted member 13364 · Jan 28, 2019

Mercury Fred said:
I said I don't think this is a big deal. But you don't think Rs would try to twist this in a general?

Yes, the Republican's will use ties to Russia as an attack on their opponent and it will be a galaxy brain level move.

Maxim726x · Jan 28, 2019

Mercury Fred said:
I said I don't think this is a big deal. But you don't think Rs would try to twist this in a general?

That reply wasn't aimed towards you, in particular... I could just see the media trying to spin this as a 'gotcha' moment because that's just the kind of environment we live in now.

They'll try, but no one will ultimately give a shit. At the rate we're going stories like these disappear in less than a week.

sphagnum · Jan 28, 2019

pigeon said:
I don't get why they all took their shirts off, isn't Russia like...cold

What kind of strong communist doesn't take their shirt off when drinking?

samoyed · Jan 28, 2019

Shirts are boujee. Bare chests show solidarity.

Deleted member 22490 · Jan 28, 2019

samoyed said:
Shirts are boujee. Bare chests show solidarity.

Glad you're back!

samoyed · Jan 28, 2019

#feelthebern :)

JayC3 · Jan 28, 2019

Number of Completion said:
Yes, the Republican's will use ties to Russia as an attack on their opponent and it will be a galaxy brain level move.

I don't care about the video, personally, but just wanted to say that Republican politicians and operatives operate in endless bad faith and will take multiple contradictory positions, one after the other, if they think it'll give them an advantage in the moment. The goal is to muddle all conversation, so they don't need logical consistency of any kind.

All the candidates will have to deal with this.

Deleted member 3896 · Jan 28, 2019

Maxim726x said:
I could just see the media trying to spin this as a 'gotcha' moment because that's just the kind of environment we live in now.

They'll try, but no one will ultimately give a shit. At the rate we're going stories like these disappear in less than a week.

That's probably a fair assessment.

Artdayne · Jan 28, 2019

Dopus said:

There's no way Bernie wrote that. LOL Though I'm sure he agrees, I just can't imagine him starting out a tweet with "maybe, just maybe".

xbhaskarx · Jan 28, 2019

I AM SO PROGRESSIVE THAT I AM ALREADY PREPARING MY 2020 PROTEST VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP

not very funny, unfortunately

danm999 · Jan 28, 2019

I basically take it as assumed no one in Congress writes their Tweets but AOC and Ted Lieu

samoyed · Jan 28, 2019

Ted Lieu coming out for Harris is either going to give me second thoughts about Lieu (who I liked) or Harris (who I'm iffy about).

Deleted member 2145 · Jan 28, 2019

Artdayne said:
There's no way Bernie wrote that. LOL Though I'm sure he agrees, I just can't imagine him starting out a tweet with "maybe, just maybe".

I feel like he's said "maybe, just maybe" 100 times during stump speeches to launch into his bullet points

A Syrian Communist · Jan 28, 2019

Cheebo said:
Yes, it is very sexist. The whole meme is a megaphone for the "dude is cool the woman is shrill" sexist bullshit.

Honestly posting the meme should be bannable. It is 100% blatant sexism.

JayC3 said:
I don't care about the video, personally, but just wanted to say that Republican politicians and operatives operate in endless bad faith and will take multiple contradictory positions, one after the other, if they think it'll give them an advantage in the moment. The goal is to muddle all conversation, so they don't need logical consistency of any kind.

All the candidates will have to deal with this.

They would do this with literally anything at all, on anyone running, so it's not like it makes much difference. By the time they would this would be old news anyway.

JayC3 · Jan 28, 2019

danm999 said:
I basically take it as assumed no one in Congress writes their Tweets but AOC and Ted Lieu

We know Chuck Grassley does!

Edit to add:

Sami said:
They would do this with literally anything at all, on anyone running, so it's not like it makes much difference. By the time they would this would be old news anyway.

We thought this about Hillary's emails o_o. At this point I've mostly accepted that what gains traction with the American public can be capricious, so it's good to hash out all possible issues in the primaries so that the eventual candidate is prepared for the general.

medinaria · Jan 28, 2019

xbhaskarx said:
I AM SO PROGRESSIVE THAT I AM ALREADY PREPARING MY 2020 PROTEST VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP

not very funny, unfortunately

then why post it?

like, ask yourself if it sparks joy. clearly it doesn't. thank it for what it did for you, and get rid of it. you don't need to share it with us.

Deleted member 78 · Jan 28, 2019

Artdayne said:
There's no way Bernie wrote that. LOL Though I'm sure he agrees, I just can't imagine him starting out a tweet with "maybe, just maybe".

He says it all the time.

Kayla · Jan 28, 2019

Trojita said:
No it isn't, unless you are in bizarro world.

LOL it's not, and extra LOL at the person saying it should be bannable.

Deleted member 22490 · Jan 28, 2019

A thread

Further down, he says how Kamala uses the circumstances of a homeless woman working two jobs as a success story. And in some ways, it is. However, they still brought charges against that woman which she then had to deal with, of course. They eventually dropped it and got her some help, but she should have never been charged in the first place.

Deleted member 5666 · Jan 28, 2019

Dopus said:
He says it all the time.

there is no chance at all Bernie tweets himself lol

Mifec · Jan 28, 2019

Kamala is a cop, I hope no one here actually supports her.

Where my chapos at?

Deleted member 5666 · Jan 28, 2019

Helio said:
A thread

Further down, he says how Kamala uses the circumstances of a homeless woman working two jobs as a success story. And in some ways, it is. However, they still brought charges against that woman which she then had to deal with, of course. They eventually dropped it and got her some help, but she should have never been charged in the first place.

Is this a joke post? I hope this is a joke post.

Walker Bragman made the "liberal case"for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

No one takes a single thing he says seriously after his endorsement of fucking TRUMP as a liberal option over Hillary.

Deleted member 5666 · Jan 28, 2019

Mifec said:
Kamala is a cop, I hope no one here actually supports her.

Where my chapos at?

She is probably the most popular candidate in this thread so far....so too late lol.

Deleted member 22490 · Jan 28, 2019

Cheebo said:
Is this a joke post? I hope this is a joke post.

Walker Bragman made the "liberal case"for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

No one takes a single thing he says seriously after his endorsement of fucking TRUMP as a liberal option over Hillary.

Holy shit he did. Did not know that. My bad.

But, the criticism still stands with regards to Kamala's truancy position.

Mifec · Jan 28, 2019

Cheebo said:
She is probably the most popular candidate in this thread so far....so too late lol.

That's really sad, but also not surprising. I guess it doesn't matter that she made it by locking up black people to support the modern slavery system in the industrial prison complex?

Tom Nook Says... · Jan 28, 2019

Mifec said:
Kamala is a cop, I hope no one here actually supports her.

Where my chapos at?

My ranking of candidates/likely candidates is probably as follows at the moment:

1) Kamala
2) Bernie
3)Warren
4) Gillibrand
5) Buttigieg
6) Castro
7) Biden
382) Tulsi

I'm looking for candidates that I feel have the best combination of progressive policies and an ability to beat Trump. Biden has all of the latter but almost none of the former, hence his low ranking. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, and Harris' are notable, but after 2016 I'm making a conscious effort not to let anyone convince me to make perfect the enemy of good.

edit- the guy in your avatar makes political videos, right? I ran into him at a party a while back if so lol.

Steel · Jan 28, 2019

Mifec said:
Kamala is a cop, I hope no one here actually supports her.

Where my chapos at?

You know, I'm feeling like I've watched in real time as the Bernie crowd gave up on attacking Beto because it's becoming clear he's no longer the front runner and moving all that effort into Harris.

It's funny because there was that whole angle where he was being entirely pushed by the establishment (Establishment conspiracy! Boo!) when that wasn't really the case so much as he got the spotlight for awhile for being both charismatic and taking on Ted Cruz in Texas. But, whatever.

RailWays · Jan 28, 2019

Steel said:
You know, I'm feeling like I've watched in real time as the Bernie crowd gave up on attacking Beto because it's becoming clear he's no longer the front runner and moving all that effort into Harris.

It's funny because there was that whole angle where he was being entirely pushed by the establishment (Establishment conspiracy! Boo!) when that wasn't really the case so much as he got the spotlight for awhile for being both charismatic and taking on Ted Cruz in Texas. But, whatever.

I pointed this out earlier in the thread but it's still amusing to witness real-time

Mifec · Jan 28, 2019

ThomasJames said:
My ranking of candidates/likely candidates is probably as follows at the moment:

1) Kamala
2) Bernie
3)Warren
4) Gillibrand
5) Buttigieg
6) Castro
7) Biden
382) Tulsi

I'm looking for candidates that I feel have the best combination of progressive policies and an ability to beat Trump. Biden has all of the latter but almost none of the former, hence his low ranking. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, and Harris' are notable, but after 2016 I'm making a conscious effort not to let anyone convince me to make perfect the enemy of good.

edit- the guy in your avatar makes political videos, right? I ran into him at a party a while back if so lol.

Yeah it's Hasan Piker. The avatar encapsulates what I feel most of the time reading Era sadly. But I just can't quit.

Also I don't think Cop Harris is a surefire way to beat Trump and Biden would get MeToo'd in a second I feel.

That said there's a difference between having skeletons in your closet and prosecuting black people and in general supporting an aweful system.

I could never support someone I'm that opposed to and it's sad to see people do.

Steel said:
You know, I'm feeling like I've watched in real time as the Bernie crowd gave up on attacking Beto because it's becoming clear he's no longer the front runner and moving all that effort into Harris.

It's funny because there was that whole angle where he was being entirely pushed by the establishment (Establishment conspiracy! Boo!) when that wasn't really the case so much as he got the spotlight for awhile for being both charismatic and taking on Ted Cruz in Texas. But, whatever.

Weird how political opponents get attacked right? Is this...politics?

medinaria · Jan 28, 2019

Steel said:
You know, I'm feeling like I've watched in real time as the Bernie crowd gave up on attacking Beto because it's becoming clear he's no longer the front runner and moving all that effort into Harris.

It's funny because there was that whole angle where he was being entirely pushed by the establishment (Establishment conspiracy! Boo!) when that wasn't really the case so much as he got the spotlight for awhile for being both charismatic and taking on Ted Cruz in Texas. But, whatever.

it's genuinely shocking that

checks notes

people are more interested in discussing the candidates currently in the headlines and generating buzz than the ones that aren't

Mifec · Jan 28, 2019

medinaria said:
it's genuinely shocking that

checks notes

people are more interested in discussing the candidates currently in the headlines and generating buzz than the ones that aren't

Very good post.

Steel · Jan 28, 2019

Mifec said:
Weird how political opponents get attacked right? Is this...politics?

Not really my point but you seem to have missed it.

medinaria said:
it's genuinely shocking that

checks notes

people are more interested in discussing the candidates currently in the headlines and generating buzz than the ones that aren't

As if the post I quoted even qualifies as discussion.

RailWays · Jan 28, 2019

Mifec said:
Weird how political opponents get attacked right? Is this...politics?

It's about the magnifying glass moving rather than the political attacks. Everyone has criticisms, as you said, but motives and biases exist all the same.

Tom Nook Says... · Jan 28, 2019

Mifec said:
Yeah it's Hasan Piker. The avatar encapsulates what I feel most of the time reading Era sadly. But I just can't quit.

Also I don't think Cop Harris is a surefire way to beat Trump and Biden would get MeToo'd in a second I feel.

That said there's a difference between having skeletons in your closet and prosecuting black people and in general supporting an aweful system.

I could never support someone I'm that opposed to and it's sad to see people do.

I can understand not supporting Kamala given some of the other choices of candidates available. She has bigger issues to address than probably everyone except Biden and Tulsi, and arguably Gillibrand if you don't buy her shift in policy over the last decade. I'm not 100% behind her, she's just my choice at the moment.

Who do you support for 2020 if you don't mind my asking?

NoName999 · Jan 28, 2019

I like how people NOW give a crap about crooked cop culture, when the face is a black woman.

Like can you guys be any more obvious?

Deleted member 2145 · Jan 28, 2019

RailWays said:
It's about the magnifying glass moving rather than the political attacks. Everyone has criticisms, as you said, but motives and biases exist all the same.

it's crazy how the magnifying glass moves from one candidate to another for seemingly no reason at all. must be a conspiracy!

(or beto shined then faded and now kamala is shining. too obvious?)

RailWays · Jan 28, 2019

phanphare said:
it's crazy how the magnifying glass moves from one candidate to another for seemingly no reason at all. must be a conspiracy!

(or beto shined then faded and now kamala is shining. too obvious?)

I didn't say it was a conspiracy, just expected

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