God, just get into philanthropy or something if you want to do some good in the world. Give back. This is just an ego trip.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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God, just get into philanthropy or something if you want to do some good in the world. Give back. This is just an ego trip.
His Russian sanction vote has been covered here. It's actually good policy to reject lumping in Russia and Iran sanctions.
this guy appeals to absolutely nobody in this thread¹, that's for sure
despite the constant drumbeat about "centrists"
I had no idea Russia paranoia was a progressive stance.
And FUCK Schultz. Thankfully he won't even reach Green Party levels of voting. I can't think of any demographic that can be interested in voting for THAT.
And FUCK Schultz. Thankfully he won't even reach Green Party levels of voting. I can't think of any demographic that can be interested in voting for THAT.
Yeah I meant it in the context of everything including this thread
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Do centrists want this guy
"A journey to reimagine the promise of America."
Dude, you sell coffee. Calm down.
Yes, because I don't think its very useful when used this way and it obscures what's going on. If someone is being a racist or a fascist you should call them that, and not confuse the matter with this term that has become a generic catch-all.
I'll put it this way: the only "centrists" that want this guy don't ID as Democrats
Your problem is not that it's "not very useful" to call things by what they are, but that you don't like that things you don't like fall into the same rhetorical category as things you do like.
Exception of rural folk know how to use gun properly point (because they dont), it makes sense to be more strict on guns in urban areas than rural ones as rural ones can actually make a case for needing guns.
I say that as a person who wants Japan levels of strict gun control.
There are those that would love what this guy is selling actually, just he has 2 big issues: he is (or will be seen as) a corporate stooge in a time where everyone is wary of big money and he is threatening running 3rd party, which is a major turn off unless I am incorrect about that.
So yes, he can appeal to many, just not enough to win 3rd party or not.
The issue is that the guns in urban areas come from the rural ones. The guns in NYC come from Vermont and New England and Pennsyvania and Georgia (especially the two latter ones). Having two different rules when it comes to guns just doesn't work, it undercuts the stricter ones. If you want to stop illegal guns in urban areas you need to get serious in rural ones.
Yeah, I know and agree. I been making this case to several gun rights posters on this website. Gun trafficking where owners can "lose" guns over and over with no consequences and gun sales to those outside of the local jurisdiction.
Which is why I back a Japanese system nationally along with a buy back program. Make owning a rifle or shotgun extremely difficult and make owning a handgun so difficult as to not even be worth it without banning either. Give people gun ranges for sports shooting. Constitutionally sound if we dont have a conservative court.
Even though Bernie is more moderate, I'm 100% sure he would not block gun regulation that even the most liberal of Congress gives him. My main point was on the case of gun necessity, rather than the efficacy of having 2 or more gun law systems.
Popularism is a term isn't limited to the right wing. It's how they act, not that being right wing is the only thing bad about it. This is where Bernie's popularism hurts him, dehumanising the rich and wealthy is still dehumanising people - they're just acceptable targets to the left.
This is a very strange Dem primary. Candidates are getting in to sell books and maybe coffee? It'd be funny if this is was all a stunt for Starbucks advertising.
Appealing to the youth is very important, but candidates don't win with one demographic - they need several and they need to be reliable. Youth voting isn't. Any candiate who hinges their campaign on them is setting themselves up for failure.
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Progressives are prone to dehumanizing people all the time; see, for example, the recent Patton Oswalt thread. But I don't think anybody would call them populists because framing it as "us" vs. "them" is pretty broad thing that people do. A big distinction here is whether you are punching up the hierarchy vs. down or across.
Credit where credit is due to ya'll for not posting shit like this. I know we get heated a lot of the time but we don't get nasty like this.
Well thats one way to target an opponent. Good old fashioned sexism and racism.
Steiner is a TYT contributor and the last one was the guy who tried to sue the DNC for rigging the primary and was laughed out of court.
Well thats one way to target an opponent. Good old fashioned sexism and racism.
Steiner is a TYT contributor and the last one was the guy who tried to sue the DNC for rigging the primary and was laughed out of court.
Popularism is a broad term, it's simply about dehumanising people - which both sides of the political spectrum do. That is why the left is populist. The justification isn't relevant, because dehumanising people is wrong. Like I said, acceptable targets, the left know that behaviour is wrong when Republicans do it to brown or black people but when the left does it to people it dislikes it's ok. That's the problem.
Nothing sexists love more than implying - hell, outright stating - a woman only got someplace on her back.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
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a politician sleeping to get ahead is like the least sleazy thing a politician has ever done to get ahead
Can this Schultz run for president?
At least that Schultz was a Social Democrat.
Possibly the most misjudged Presidential campaign float thus far?
If Twitter is any guide Schultz has managed to unify the socialists, liberals and centrists in unanimous derision.
Harris is a cop, gg getting her to stop the police brutality. She is a nice face, nice promotion material but nothing substantively progressive.
Yeah, Harris still needs to get elected. People love talking about socialised médecine but the average joe won't tolerate the tax hike required. Increases need to be very, very incremental.
I like Harris' style and oration. She definitely has Obama's demeanour and rhythm when she gives a speech.
Only thing is her populist campaign slogan, 'for the people' that rubs me the wrong way but that's today's trend and it matches some of her policy suggestions.
Framing her platform as a tax cut paid for by the rich is smart messaging to grab conservatives and socialists alike.
Only thing is her populist campaign slogan, 'for the people' that rubs me the wrong way but that's today's trend and it matches some of her policy suggestions.
Framing her platform as a tax cut paid for by the rich is smart messaging to grab conservatives and socialists alike.
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But the Warren Tax cut proposal doesn't touch you unless you make more than $50m.
Medicare For All, debt free college, went after Wall Street, her voting record compared to Bernie's has a 7% gap.
All the candidates have severe flaws, including Kamala herself, but let's not pretend that she's Donald Trump. No candidate is perfect. Honestly, having one would be a breath of fresh air but no-one like that exists on our planet. Anywhere.
edit: Her relationship with the police is not as simple as your framing, either.
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So, two things here. Warren's tax cut proposal was a wealth tax. It would apply if you HAVE more than $50 million, which by no means requires an income of $50 million. Second, we weren't even talking about that?
Eh. I don't care for any campaign slogan and I especially don't care for populist messaging but it's all about the sale, and I think it's something that most people outside an internet forum would like.
Is there that much more revenue to be made from
middle class tax hikes than capital gains & wealth taxes?
middle class tax hikes than capital gains & wealth taxes?
Short answer: Yes. By orders of magnitude. In large part because rich people offshore, so it's kinda hard to increase the amount you get from them.
Let me put it this way:
Income taxes paid in 2017 by income bracket(in millions):
Top 1%: $567,697
Top 5%(includes the 1% and this is where the income breaks into upper middle class territory at a median of 165k or so): $866,447
Top 10%(Solidly middle class at median of 75k): $1,026,601
Top 25%: $1,259,698
Top 50%: $1,413,200
Now here is the only place where additional taxes are useless:
Bottom 50%: $41,125
But they only pay an average income tax of about 3% on taxes and pay 10% of the total tax burden. The bottom 50% are the lower class income brackets of below 36k a year.
Total tax in 2017: $1,454,325
https://taxfoundation.org/summary-federal-income-tax-data-2017/
Basically, you're not gonna get much money out of the super rich because they have the resources to just move their money.
Credit where credit is due to ya'll for not posting shit like this. I know we get heated a lot of the time but we don't get nasty like this.
Well thats one way to target an opponent. Good old fashioned sexism and racism.
Steiner is a TYT contributor and the last one was the guy who tried to sue the DNC for rigging the primary and was laughed out of court.
Source: freebeacon.com
You're not going to raise all that's necessary for college and healthcare from millionaires. European tax burdens for the average citizen are much higher than yours in the States - and the average citizen will not be okay with their tax burden suddenly approaching 50%.
Credit where credit is due to ya'll for not posting shit like this. I know we get heated a lot of the time but we don't get nasty like this.
Well thats one way to target an opponent. Good old fashioned sexism and racism.
Steiner is a TYT contributor and the last one was the guy who tried to sue the DNC for rigging the primary and was laughed out of court.
Some Bernie fans did not learn the lessons of 2016.
Sexist attacks in Democratic primary where over 60% of the vote is women is a not a great strategy.
Those sexist/racist attacks against Harris are utterly repulsive and I hope those idiots continue to get dragged for that shit. I think the "for the people" slogan is silly, but Harris doesn't deserve the vitriol purely based on her biology (no woman does).
Seriously, free healthcare isn't free. Government healthcare is more efficient per dollar, but if you buy it being "free" well....
To be fair, they're more than twitter randos. One of em's a tyt collab and the other was involved in a lawsuit against the DNC.
Credit where credit is due to ya'll for not posting shit like this. I know we get heated a lot of the time but we don't get nasty like this.
Well thats one way to target an opponent. Good old fashioned sexism and racism.
Steiner is a TYT contributor and the last one was the guy who tried to sue the DNC for rigging the primary and was laughed out of court.
Once again, white progressives act like they know what's best for black people. Once again, they launch their smarmiest attacks towards a woman. And once again, they completely ignore any fuck ups Bernie did.
They had 2 years to improve their message/game. They didn't.
This is what happens when you convince yourself that your favored candidate didn't actually lose an election they lost (by double digits no less!) but had it "stolen".
Hillary crushed him and won by 12%. A lot of the more hardcore fans refused to accept that so they refused to reassess what went wrong for them in 2016.
Let me go ahead and count the number of times a white progressive has said Bernie is a racist or doesn't care about black people. Let's not go down this incredibly stupid road.
Schultz might do more to bring together the left and establishment than any other candidate
Bernie has made many tone deaf comments about race. That is an absolute undeniable fact. Even his most hardcore supporters would agree he has and that it hurt him in 2016.
Kamala Harris locked up thousands of black and brown people on trumped up charges. This is an absolute undeniable fact.
I swear, this Bernie is a racist narrative is the most mind boggling dumb centrist take on here
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