Which candidate is this? Berkman? Where are they running?
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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I mean I disagree with anarchism completely, but damn. Berkman makes a compelling argument.
Ah...so like a Jehovah's Witness at a busy street corner with a pamphlet in hand.
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Gee I dunno buddy this sounds kind of violent to me
(Also although I have been a major participant in this line of discussion it probably should be in the Socialism OT, just as the discussion of Howard Schultz probably belongs in the general politics OT)
In my defense, I figured it was kosher due to this image talking about the supposed democratic positions in response to what Schultz was saying. I felt it was on-topic considering that there was a line of conversation regarding Jill Stein earlier.
But I'm down with not discussing him.
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I'm not even a mod, I just started to get people asking me what the f was going on in my thread
Congress isn't made for that, time is valuable and the entire party will be spending lots of time on a single bill through the year. Once that deadline passes, they go onto another bill and don't have time to go backwards. That's why prioritising bills is a huge burden.
She wasn't on Team Bernie, that's all it takes for them to think she has to go.
Nothing about that situation is encouraging about a Bernie Presidency.
Davids will be in her region bringing blue votes for the Dem nominee and in time the state Senate race. If she decides to support Kamala and brings those Mid-West votes her way perhaps she could be shortlisted for VP.
My issue is that what do we do in times of global crisis (Plague, Sanitation crises, displacement from climate change)? These things require coordinatied efforts to work through or else you risk mass casualities. Would people be able to collectively act during outbreaks of disease or during famine? Human stampedes are a real thing and I can't imagine an evac zone going well without a guiding force. I think this philosophy is really interesting and promotes an ideal version of the world but I don't know if its sustainable worldwide.
I'd like to see that, Davids' is so impressive on every level.
Wow, not a good look, especially as a POC... like Bernie ran in 2016 and stated he would task the U.S AG to investigate all police involved shootings.
I mean, she changed positions from before, but it makes her feel less firm on really important issues. Like, how is that something you not support?
She is still my 3rd candidate pick, but those hurt her.
Not supporting it alone is bad on it's own.
A lot of these policies can be passed in one bill as they support one another.
Just as an example, the things I bolded, underlined, and italicized can be put in its respective bill, like the wealth tax can be considered a revenue proposition for M4A. Debt free/tuition free public college and universal pre-K/child care can be put together. It isnt as simple as you are making it, which gives a strong impression that a lot of that cant be done.
Voting Rights is a no brainer and already have a detailed bill waiting for 2020. It is essential for Democrats to remain competitive in this political system and I doubt it would be difficult to pass.
Green New Deal can be mixed into an infrastructure bill, how comprehensive it will be is the question. Despite me being a strong advocate for green energy, with most leftists/liberals being against nuclear energy, I see it as not worth tackling right now. I can clarify in another post if anyone needs me to.
Jobs guarantee isnt necessary and actually may hurt implementation of UBI, which is better.
Anti-poverty plan is vague and a whole host of issues contribute to poverty, much of the proposals you listed aides in dealing with poverty. Because this is too broad, I'm going with "meh"
Anti-corruption plan is also vague. I'm not sure what exactly you are pointing at.
Gun control, I dont trust Democrats putting in measures that do much to counteract gun violence, so this is at back of my personal list despite it being a major campaign issue. They will probably just close loopholes in gun sales and extend background/medical checks. Nothing burger honestly.
Immigration reform, I can see the red states in all their racist glory stalling this out way too long.
I am unsure if U.S will still be cyclical after 2028; the president seat and House will become more difficult for Republicans (in their current form) to win as time goes on, assuming the House of Representatives is increased and better represent the U.S population. An increased House also diminishes the effect of gerrymandering. We will see post-2024 where U.S politics stand.
Personally, I would be willing to sacrifice all of that except the Voting Rights package for giving all our territories statehood, which would counteract the right slant of the Senate to allow us to tackle those issues easier.
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Most consistent MF out there. He needs to announce his run already.
That anybody becomes a billionaire is only possible because they do not pay their employees for the value surplus their labor produces and society for the opportunities it provided them. They do not do the work that creates their wealth.
Really. You're saying that capitalism is the best system we have, as we are in the process of killing off humanity (among others) because of capitalism.
*Instances in which police have murdered people
The terminology of "police involved shooting" itself is a term of propaganda that seeks to downplay the seriousness of the issue.
Management and organizational know-how are valuable things. Fix other issues elsewhere with the lack of an appropriate safety net, housing supply, etc.? You're still going to have billionaires because some people are really good at those things and can build large scale enterprises that provide things people or organizations want to them.
Yes. I quite like living in this century as opposed to literally any previous one.
Billionaire sign on as executives, get massive bonuses. Company goes bankrupt because they didn't adapt, same billionaires give themselves massive bonuses on their way out. Can't explain that.
If these managers were the same managers from the 1960s who made only a few times more than their salaried workers I would care about this a lot less but we're talking managers who make several orders of magnitude above their lowest worker. No one's managerial expertise is worth multiple billions, no matter how you try to justify by pointing to market prices.
If these managers were the same managers from the 1960s who made only a few times more than their salaried workers I would care about this a lot less but we're talking managers who make several orders of magnitude above their lowest worker. No one's managerial expertise is worth multiple billions, no matter how you try to justify by pointing to market prices.
Never knew people use that to downplay it, I figured it was broadly worded to account for police shootings that also didn't end in death.
Besides that, journalists and I have been mischaracterizing his stance on this, will edit post.
He believes all deaths in police custody should trigger an automatic federal investigation. I am not sure of the use of the word "custody". Is being stopped and told one cant leave considered being in police custody? I got mixed answers on that when I google.
I don't see socialism doing so hot these days, there's the European version which might help but we're a long way off in implementing what they do there in America. Capitalism wins by default when the major countries utilising that economic system are dictatorships. I don't know about you but I want to live under a president, not a dictator. I'm not denying that, but you're not providing good evidence it'll be any better under a socialist system. They've had untold years to show us a better vision, and failed. It's not like non-capitalist countries haven't had similar hang-up's, look at China which is turning into a Black Mirror hellscape and that's not getting into the issues with poverty or abuse the government hands out just to get credit cards.
To date, socialists have not succeeded in marketing their ideology as the better one in America, which is why they're stuck with Bernie Sanders - lone wolf extraordinaire. Warren's thankfully there, too, but c'mon. Put up a better fight for your ideology in the primaries with your candidates, please.
I still haven't shown proof that socialist ideas are going to be a better option to stave off humanity's end and the realistic plans they have to make sure does not occur either inside or outside government. Of course they could have the best plans in the world but if they don't have implement them it helps nobody. The latter has been a massive weakness in socialism's influence on America all these decades, which has not been fully realised, which hurts their attacks on capitalism as capitalism at the minimum has got its agents in control to implement its agenda.
Now I'm thinking about it - how big a priority is global warming to Bernie? It'll be enlightening to see how defining is '20 campaign is on this subject.
edit: Socialists desperately need their own Elisabeth Warren.
I can get behind that stance.
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If I'm not mistaken I believe BLM had a hand in shaping Bernie's policies on criminal justice reform. I'm not sure he would've fleshed out such a comprehensive and intersectional platform without them, so I commend them for their activism.
LMBO. A distressed company paying billion dollars in cash (equity would be worthless if they default) in a golden parachute. The lawyers of the lenders/distressed traders would make so much in legal fees, dear lord.
It will be intriguing to see this sort of attack play out. Bernie's socialist follows and the progressives will be energised by this, as this is more in line with their ideology but how will the rest of the party react? How accepted is that level of socialism in the party today and in society? I'm interested in learning the answer to this.
These "attacks" from this twitter account have been hilarious. None of them make him look bad! Did these also come out during 2016, or are they just the oppo dregs they didn't have a chance to trot out back then?
"Socialism" is a fucking dead end in this country and I don't know why anyone is saying it. Theses clips alone are enough to secure a Trump win over Bernie. Hopefully a more "centrist" dem gets the nom and is able to beat Sanders. Socialism is just not going to fucking sell. Bernie will get creamed by his opponent's anti-socialism ads and Trump will be re-elected. Just the way it is.
Were you actually following the last 4 years? McCarthyism is mostly dead
Don't make the same mistake that Bernie did and gloss over issues that affect black people specifically.
Don't worry, they will. The problem here is Bernie himself never bothered softening socialism in America so he'd have smoother time on the national stage, along with his other issues. He spent his entire political career being obscure deliberately, allowing this to happen and let the ideology remain stagnant and irrelevant within America culture. It's his own fault but nobody in the movement wants to point fingers at him because he's the messiah now, which he only got because until very recently nobody was in the running to be competition to take that particular crown.
For the last 12 years years I have been living in and traveling to a bunch of republican and "indy" leaning states/districts so am pretty confident that a "soclialist" will not win a gen G.E.
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who would place them in hospitals
Nearly 3. This is ignoring that while socialism has made a come back it is far from accepted like the other mainstream ideologies are in American politics. Bernie, and AOC in his footsteps, went with the lightest socialism and is getting tremendous pushback from various element in society and politics and it's not just Republicans. Everyone isn't a secret socialist waiting to break out, for this to work requires Bernie to get actual changes made and impact society continually otherwise this becomes another Occupy. The real work has barely begun, this was a foundation for that - not the last lap.
edit: You want socialism to make a shattering impact? Bernie need to win either the nomination and/or the general and congress needs to pass bills heavily filled with socialist ideas. Until that occurs this is the warm up round, nor the final fight.
edit: Forget Communism. America's barely getting used to socialism, that's why there are literally zero confirmed communists running for president and that'll be the status quo for many years to come. Nations like Venezuela aren't helping any promising candidates, despite them having well reasoned arguments, because that ideology is tainted much further in the public mind than socialism was.
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You don't think Republicans hate the elite who ship jobs overseas? Draining the swamp?
Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host is popular among Republicans and he has started attacking capital.
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