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Kirblar

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It appears as though she is a hammer and sees all of her problems as nails. Charging a homeless mother of three should absolutely not be the first step in getting her help.
IIRC her explanation on this is basically "I'd rather have a screwdriver, but I will still use the hammer to fix this problem if it's the only tool I have."

Something that's repeatedly come up for her is the difference between the limitations of administration, where you're bound by budgets, laws, tools provided, etc. and legislating, where you can change the game. Basically, a "hate the game, not the player, but let's fix the game" mentality.
 

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IIRC her explanation on this is basically "I'd rather have a screwdriver, but I will still use the hammer to fix this problem if it's the only tool I have."
That's not really convincing to me. The wrong tool can cause a lot of damage. If she doesn't have what she needs, then she should've used other methods. After all, didn't she push for that truancy bill?
 
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Between Ojeda bowing out early, Schultz getting downright bullied, and this... Dems ain't got time for games this time around.
Nope, not at all. I'm happy to get the also rans out of the way before debates go down. If the first debate could just be a group of like 8-10 candidates that all actually have a shot, that'd be great.

Edit- if she ended her campaign tomorrow, I wonder how close that'd put her to having the shortest presidential campaign ever? Obviously Ojeda bowed out first but he also announced his candidacy like six weeks before Tulsi.
 

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Did you read the thread
Sorry! It's a big thread and it moves fast and that story was posted less than an hour ago.

The last few pages have all been healthcare and billionaires and that all seems very high-minded and fair enough, but Jesus Christ seeing her laughing it up about the heinous shit she did as a DA/AG seemed beyond the pale.
 

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Sorry! It's a big thread and it moves fast and that story was posted less than an hour ago.

The last few pages have all been healthcare and billionaires and that all seems very high-minded and fair enough, but Jesus Christ seeing her laughing it up about the heinous shit she did as a DA/AG seemed beyond the pale.
Nah, the spin is misleading. Kamala is the most popular candidate so far in this thread for a reason.

Did you watch her town hall last night? She knocked everything thrown at her out of the park.

Her rollout has been as pitch perfect as you could get so far.
 

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The thing about Harris's dubious record as a prosecutor is that the portion of the Dem base most likely to have a dim view of that sort of thing is also the portion that likes her for identity reasons, so it probably won't hurt her much.
 
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For all the talk about how everyone would run this year it's seems like... maybe not? After Bernie, Biden and Beto jump in, if they do, it looks like we might have our full roster so to speak, right?
 

Kirblar

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For all the talk about how everyone would run this year it's seems like... maybe not? After Bernie, Biden and Beto jump in, if they do, it looks like we might have our full roster so to speak, right?
The invisible primary appears to be killing people right off the bat because there's simply less money floating around behind the scenes on the D side relative to the R one.
 

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For all the talk about how everyone would run this year it's seems like... maybe not? After Bernie, Biden and Beto jump in, if they do, it looks like we might have our full roster so to speak, right?
We're still waiting on Booker, and I believe Eric Holder will probably announce whether or not he's running pretty soon.
 
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We still have a long ways to go.
Eh, yes and no. The first debate is in June so who ever wants to run has like four months to go ahead and do it. Is there anyone who springs to mind that might run, but we're not currently speculating about?

We're still waiting on Booker, and I believe Eric Holder will probably announce whether or not he's running pretty soon.
I thought Holder already said he wouldn't run? And I wonder what Booker is waiting for...

Edit- nevermind, I was wrong about Holder. Personally not sure he should run though, I have a hard time imagining him generating any momentum. He's a little remniscent of, like, a history professor. Not a great quality for holding campaign rallies.

The invisible primary appears to be killing people right off the bat because there's simply less money floating around behind the scenes on the D side relative to the R one.
True. If Jeb was a dem he never would've made it to please clap.
 
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OtherWorldly

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She'll have to address it at some point, my guess is she does some combination of "it was part of the job as prosecutor" and "my views on this have evolved since then"

She's already addressed her past last night. Most folks have moved on accepting her explanation, the remaining will never accept it.

And no, she didn't say evolved she embraced her past .
 

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harris is the perfect intersection of the different dem factions. she's "electable" in the traditional sense, I said a while back she's the most "presidential" of the major candidates that are or are expected to run, and she's left enough to appease the policy first part of the party. she's been making savvy moves since 2016 and they're paying off. co sponsoring Bernie's M4A bill in 2017 was a smart move and she seems to have the rhetoric to court that base even if it's as a 2nd choice. easily the candidate that will have the broadest appeal imo.
 
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harris is the perfect intersection of the different dem factions. she's "electable" in the traditional sense, I said a while back she's the most "presidential" of the major candidates that are or are expected to run, and she's left enough to appease the policy first part of the party. she's been making savvy moves since 2016 and they're paying off. co sponsoring Bernie's M4A bill in 2017 was a smart move and she seems to have the rhetoric to court that base even if it's as a 2nd choice. easily the candidate that will have the broadest appeal imo.
Her hardest hurdle, obviously, will be getting past the primary and convincing the left to forgive aspects of her record as DA, but if she becomes the nominee I think her record will actually play pretty well in the general. Independents will eat up her "smart on crime" shit.
 

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She'll have to address it at some point, my guess is she does some combination of "it was part of the job as prosecutor" and "my views on this have evolved since then"

It's her answer for a lot of things, but that wouldn't be the answer for this.

Views on truancy don't really evolve. And, in this particular case, she was going above and beyond her role as a prosecutor and dipped her toes into a few other political arenas using whatever political will she had in order to get something done in an area she felt was being neglected. That particular issue has always been more of a school board+mayor&govenor+local and state legislation issue that prosecutors never get involved in except in cases of child endangerment in most municipalities. Before her, prosecutors didn't have the tools, the "stick" in her words, in California to even look into those types of cases.

What would be stronger is just a plain acknowledgement that it was the wrong solution for the issue with another acknowledgement of the inequitible nature of the program while she stresses the need of a quality, accessable education for every individual.
 

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The invisible primary appears to be killing people right off the bat because there's simply less money floating around behind the scenes on the D side relative to the R one.

No one is making SuperPACs and taking SuperPAC money anymore, and its impact is strong. Individual donations and smaller PACs mean there will be fewer dollars available among the crowd.

I don't think Biden will have a problem with taking money from anybody, so he could probably drop a surprise ad blitz in Iowa right before the caucus and still come out okay.
 

Kirblar

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No one is making SuperPACs and taking SuperPAC money anymore, and its impact is strong. Individual donations and smaller PACs mean there will be fewer dollars available among the crowd.

I don't think Biden will have a problem with taking money from anybody, so he could probably drop a surprise ad blitz in Iowa right before the caucus and still come out okay.
Everyone but Beto/Sanders has been campaigning to big donors behind the scenes. There are still a ton of big donors out there and there's only so many of them to go around.
 

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And that's several negative points from me. Yes, let's eliminate one of the biggest employers in the nation. That couldn't POSSIBLY backfire.

Um, even if we kept a multpayer system, it would still lose a ton of jobs as that is where a lot of the bloat is. Administration costs due to the complexity of medical code, which need to be simplified is a huge reason why U.S system is so expensive.

Multipayer systems still have more than 70% (I think I am undercutting the amount, I think the German's is 90%+) of the public on public healthcare. So no matter what, most of those private health insurance companies are going to die off anyways.
 

lenovox1

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Um, even if we kept a multpayer system, it would still lose a ton of jobs as that is where a lot of the bloat is. Administration costs due to the complexity of medical code, which need to be simplified is a huge reason why U.S system is so expensive.

Multipayer systems still have more than 70% (I think I am undercutting the amount, I think the German's is 90%+) of the public on public healthcare. So no matter what, most of those private health insurance companies are going to die off anyways.

The German healthcare model is general seems to be what we're being towards, so I want to do some reading up on it all.
 

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Um, even if we kept a multpayer system, it would still lose a ton of jobs as that is where a lot of the bloat is. Administration costs due to the complexity of medical code, which need to be simplified is a huge reason why U.S system is so expensive.

Multipayer systems still have more than 70% (I think I am undercutting the amount, I think the German's is 90%+) of the public on public healthcare. So no matter what, most of those private health insurance companies are going to die off anyways.
I'm perfectly aware of that. The point is to lose those jobs slowly so people can have time to change careers instead of all at once. Ease into things so you don't cause so much economic damage at once that you get voted out of office immediately afterward.

We're still waiting on Booker, and I believe Eric Holder will probably announce whether or not he's running pretty soon.

Holder would be a weird one. He's kinda soft-spoken so I don't think he'd be able to energize people to vote for him rather than anyone else.
 
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Steel wants a gradual, soft landing. What Harris suggests sounds like something more sudden and harsher.

Where I stand is, this is campaign fodder and soundbites and PR. Even if Harris becomes president and even if she honors her pledge to go after private insurance, she's not going to just pull the plug on thousands of workers. She's going to meet with her policy advisors and whatnot in order to do this thing while making sure enough people land on their feet to avoid popular unrest, like, you know, literally all reformative policy because the thing Dem politicians are best at is making sure the boat isn't too rocky. I expect Harris as a non-radical to take a non-radical approach to "getting rid of private health insurance" so it feels weird to me to suspect of her doing kooky socialist regime type "you're all FIRED, to the GULAGS with you" from someone like her.

I wouldn't even suspect Bernie of this.
 

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i too hate how the democratic establishment is criticizing a, uh, billionaire running as a independent in the general election. will the establishment stop at nothing?? is there no level they won't stoop to??
 

danm999

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Isn't Starbuck persona non grata in the MAGA world for refusing to let people call themselves TRUMP QANON PATRIOT TROOP or something on their coffee orders
 
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Isn't Starbuck persona non grata in the MAGA world for refusing to let people call themselves TRUMP QANON PATRIOT TROOP or something on their coffee orders
I thought it was for having inadequately Christian holiday cups? Either way, we should be forthright that, from a tactical point, Fox News would be propping up Malcolm X right now if they thought it'd help Trump win Michigan again. The actual person running as an independent is kind of irrelevant here.
 
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