Yeah that's ignorant but he does say he learned from it."Aren't most of the people who sell the drugs African American?" In 2015. This is not just racist, it's not just ignorant, it's not just mind-blowingly dumb, it's all 3!
Yeah that's ignorant but he does say he learned from it."Aren't most of the people who sell the drugs African American?" In 2015. This is not just racist, it's not just ignorant, it's not just mind-blowingly dumb, it's all 3!
Only ever complaining about "American Imperialism" while refusing to acknowledge Chinese Imperialism or Russian Imperialism always gives away the game.Foreign policy is probably why kiblar hates bernie so much. Kiblar clearly is passionate about defending all of america's gross and racist imperialist actions.
A quote from Sanders. It's in the article, which I linked to. This is Bernie Sanders, in 2015, at a meeting with Campaign Zero, the super good braintrust arm of Black Lives Matter, revealing himself to be completely ignorant of actual information regarding race and criminal justice in the United States. This did not come out until after the campaign was over, for obvious reasons (you might have to work with him later if he's President.)What is this? You put that in quotes like you have a link to Bernie Sanders saying that, but that's not at the link at all.
By the time his campaign aides scrambled to release a detailed criminal justice platform on Aug. 9, Sanders was still struggling. In a September meeting with Campaign Zero, a movement formed out of the Ferguson protests, activists asked Sanders why, in his opinion, there were a disproportionate amount of people of color in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. Sanders, seated across the table, a yellow legal pad at hand, responded with a question of his own, according to two people present: "Aren't most of the people who sell the drugs African American?" The candidate, whose aides froze in the moment, was quickly rebuffed: The answer, the activists told him, was no. Even confronted with figures and data to the contrary, Sanders appeared to have still struggled to grasp that he had made an error, the two people present said.
"Aren't most of the people who sell the drugs African American?" In 2015. This is not just racist, it's not just ignorant, it's not just mind-blowingly dumb, it's all 3!
Yes. He won't be, though. If he is, we're screwed as a country.
Yeah youre right I missed it at first. Fixed.A quote from Sanders. It's in the article, which I linked to. This is Bernie Sanders, in 2015, at a meeting with Campaign Zero, the super good braintrust arm of Black Lives Matter, revealing himself to be completely ignorant of actual information regarding race and criminal justice in the United States. This did not come out until after the campaign was over, for obvious reasons (you might have to work with him later if he's President.)
Pretty interesting article from a republican strategist point of view.
No, believing only that ideology matters in a candidate and that any other personal qualities are irrelevant is what is superficial. Someone can believe in something, but completely lack the skills relative to another person who believes the same thing. I don't think Sanders is capable of managing the country because of a pattern of behavior that stretches back decades back to when Barney Frank was complaining about his stubborn, alienating behavior.AOC and Bernie Sanders are practically ideologically identical. If you love AOC but hate Bernie you basically operate on an extremely superficial level - not to mention this bizarre obsession with "the way the world works" and "understanding how the system works" is why we're all barreling into an extinction level event with no serious plan for how to stop it. You have the glorious liberal consensus that "works within the system" to thank for why our society keeps piling up unsolved problems. Of course the Republicans are evil, of course racists continue to exist, but you will never stop fascism with cosmopolitan liberal technocrats and thinking you can is borderline delusional. As the great Innuendo Studios recently closed out a video by saying - if you want to fight fascism, you have to move left.
Because he had his chance to fix it in 2016. And actively chose not to. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-black-voters-outreach.html "What what they do, not what they say" is an important life lesson, and everytime he was confronted with issues in 2016, he chose wrong. Therefore, I do not trust him to choose wisely again.it was a pretty bad comment. I'm not sure it takes away from what I think is good about him. But your comment about how he hasn't learned or is incapable of learning. does his newest campaign not show that he has?
Ana Navarro and Bill Kristol do this all the time. The type of democrats they're willing to vote for, I guarantee, are strictly to the right of Joe Biden.Megan McCain gave the same advice shortly after 2016 and she regularly lets Trump walk all over her dad, and Comey said something similar when AOC was doing well in her election and he gave a sizable contribution to getting us get in this mess.
This is why the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mindset that some people have is so bad. Republicans, no matter how much they hate Trump, are still Republicans and therefore full of shit. These fuckers are not giving advice out of a desire for Democrats to do well and never, ever will.
What game? What are you trying to imply about me?Only ever complaining about "American Imperialism" while refusing to acknowledge Chinese Imperialism or Russian Imperialism always gives away the game.
When someone only complains about "Imperialism" when it comes from America, but is unwilling to hold other nations (normally China/Russia) to those same standards and acknowledge bad behavior on their end (election manipulation, annexing countries by force, etc.) generally they're myopic and focused on the US as the source of all evil and/or they're straight up tankies upset that the US opposed those other world powers and didn't let them steamroll other nations.
Ana Navarro and Bill Kristol do this all the time. The type of democrats they're willing to vote for, I guarantee, are strictly to the right of Joe Biden.
edit: actually in fairness, they'd probably vote for Joe Biden
No, believing only that ideology matters in a candidate and that any other personal qualities are irrelevant is what is superficial. Someone can believe in something, but completely lack the skills relative to another person who believes the same thing. I don't think Sanders is capable of managing the country because of a pattern of behavior that stretches back decades back to when Barney Frank was complaining about his stubborn, alienating behavior.
And boy, "Cosmopolitan Liberal Technocrats", that's one hell of a dogwhistle. Just come out and say that you don't think educated urban Americans are "real Americans". The vast majority of people in the country live in metropolitan areas!
I doubt Navarro would vote for Biden if she couldn't be bothered to vote for Hillary, tbh. I think the only thing that could sway her would be a DINO running explicitly on Reagan's economic policy, and not even a Manchin-type would try that.
The only reason I edited was because she apparently did vote for Hillary. so.... I'll give her that one.I doubt Navarro would vote for Biden if she couldn't be bothered to vote for Hillary, tbh. I think the only thing that could sway her would be a DINO running explicitly on Reagan's economic policy, and not even a Manchin-type would try that.
The only reason I edited was because she apparently did vote for Hillary. so.... I'll give her that one.
You have two options for getting power.The phrase mainly refers to the election of Macron in France - which was apparently the best chance France had of stopping the far-right, and has done a miserable job of governing since then. Because fundamentally his kind of liberal ideology doesn't view society's problems in the same way of the lower classes - which by the way are present in all areas of this country, including the "urban areas" you think I've completely dismissed. Macron's kind of ideology views problems as largely solved, fixable through minor changes and positive thinking - which is exactly the opposite of the case and people who are obsessed with "electability" and "working within the system" and "understanding how the world works" can't wrap their minds around this.
Our institutions don't mean anything anymore. Trump is the President! No pundit sage who was the gatekeeper of what "electability" ever meant understood how he could waltz right into office, or continue to conduct himself after being elected with still and shockingly solid approval rating. This profile of Mitch McConnell is a great example of how the Senate has completely radically changed and how the judiciary is being altered top-to-bottom in a way that will stunt progressive legislation for decades to come without severe intervention and a willingness from Democrats to upend "norms." The way Trump is attempting to expand executive power is scary, but is likely to be rubberstamped. All of this is frightening and unfortunate, but the solution isn't to "return to normalcy" it's to take all of this and run with it. This is why concern trolling over Bernie Sanders "not understanding politics" is absurd - socialists "understand politics" the way it works in 2019 far better than candidates that hedge on virtually every issue and talk about 'working across the aisle' and 'restoring honor to the White House' and all kinds of other platitudes.
Like, the mention of Barney Frank is such a good example of why that kind of politics has utterly doomed us. Barney Frank's style of "working within the system" is precisely the kind of politics that hedges around every issue and accomplishes nothing. This back and forth from 2016 between him and Robert Reich is such a good example of how arrested that kind of political imagination is and how it views no inherent problem with the way private power and wealth has such an influence on governing.
I mean I think it's pretty bad and very gross, frankly. but we've had videos of Biden doing the same thing to children for the past 10 years and there really has not been any outrage over the last decade because of it. I mean it's the primaries and it's pretty clear what's happening right now. This is certainly not Biden's "me-too" moment.We have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
It's not like I'm supporting Bernie to become president of China or Russia.When someone only complains about "Imperialism" when it comes from America, but is unwilling to hold other nations (normally China/Russia) to those same standards and acknowledge bad behavior on their end (election manipulation, annexing countries by force, etc.) generally they're myopic and focused on the US as the source of all evil and/or they're straight up tankies upset that the US opposed those other world powers and didn't let them steamroll other nations.
We can do both thoughWe have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
No, this is more in reference to an incident I'm assuming you were referencing, where we had a (now-banned) alt account arguing exactly that.It's not like I'm supporting Bernie to become president of China or Russia.
We have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
I don't want Trump or Biden. And Biden has a history of this behavior. Even that Clinton video with him is just weird as fuck.We have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
It really is. Any variety of the "dO yOu WaNt TrUmP tO wIn?" posts.these kinds of takes are so fucking garbage, it's really infuriating
It's infested this thread too lmaoWe have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
AOC and Bernie Sanders are practically ideologically identical. If you love AOC but hate Bernie you basically operate on an extremely superficial level - not to mention this bizarre obsession with "the way the world works" and "understanding how the system works" is why we're all barreling into an extinction level event with no serious plan for how to stop it. You have the glorious liberal consensus that "works within the system" to thank for why our society keeps piling up unsolved problems. Of course the Republicans are evil, of course racists continue to exist, but you will never stop fascism with cosmopolitan liberal technocrats and thinking you can is borderline delusional. As the great Innuendo Studios recently closed out a video by saying - if you want to fight fascism, you have to move left.
All I can do is laugh.
We have other options aside from Trump and Biden. If he was the nominee I'd vote for him warts and all, but he isn't even running yet.We have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
But it's really important for people to get out ahead and defend a supremely creepy old white dude with terrible policies and rhetoric for reasons.We have other options aside from Trump and Biden. If he was the nominee I'd vote for him warts and all, but he isn't even running yet.
I'm just making a connection where a person with a history of treating people in other countries as expendable might hate Bernie for actively pushing back on that impulse, but be ok with AOC who has mostly remained neutral on it.No, this is more in reference to an incident I'm assuming you were referencing, where we had a (now-banned) alt account arguing exactly that.
I don't like Bernie because he's a man incapable of learning, a man who believes in absolute nonsense and has no understanding of how the world actually functions. He would be an absolute disaster as a chief executive because the man is fundamentally unfit to lead. Intellectually bankrupt Presidents have led to ruin under Bush and Trump and we don't need to be following the GOP's lead by nominating people who can't wrap their heads around how the modern world functions, let alone showing in 2016 that he had people inside the campaign telling him what he needed to do to win the nomination (actually campaign in the south because his margins with black voters were astronomically bad) which he completely ignored in favor of just doing what he was comfortable with. (Yes, this was a problem for Hillary too. We don't need a replay of either.)
Every time you and others claim that "this is only because he challenged Hillary", it's pure projection. Why? Because a gigantic number of Hillary Clinton's 2016 primary voters voted against her in 2008! Obama won 90% of the black vote in 2008. Hillary won 75% of it in 2016. Her 2016 coalition was not her 2008 one where she ran with a campaign based on the WWC. She instead won on Obama's while Bernie attempted the WWC play. To claim that people are upset because their one idol was challenged is to ignore that so many of them didn't have an issue with it 8 years prior.
The problem was not a challenger to Hillary. The reason myself and others wouldn't vote for him was because he was an unacceptable option.
It's not. Bernie's favorables are underwater outside the party. The Dem party pulling a Corbyn and putting up an out of touch old-school socialist who only their base likes is the road to ruin.
It's not "making excuses", it's understanding the game you're playing and understanding what the limitations are of it and how you need to work to alter the game when you're in power!I'm willing to play the electoralist game, but what I'm not willing to do is make excuses for a party that isn't on the right page with this stuff. The previously mentioned partial repeal of Dodd-Frank received over a dozen Ayes from Democrats in the Senate and over 30 Ayes from Democrats in the House. You certainly also recall the way the same faction of annoying centrist Senators held back Obamacare from being dramatically better, and it's why a lot of great stuff passed through the House during Obama's first term also didn't make it into law. Even on a totally meaningless vote on the Green New Deal in the Senate that Dem leadership was actively encouraging people to vote "Present" on to avoid giving McConnell the satisfaction of it (the right call, fwiw) still three Dem Senators couldn't even be swayed to just vote Present and went out of their way to vote No on something that didn't even matter.
These people should be challenged, they should be primaried, they should be pushed on these issues. They should be protested and shamed. I'm fine with 'working within the system' if the Democrats could actually unify on at least saving the planet. Which is what primaries are for! I'll vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is because I loathe Trump and the Republican Party. But primaries are for choosing the right candidate, so of course socialists will be harsh toward people they disagree with. It's not really personal.
A less bad Corbyn is still bad.I really don't buy the Corbyn comparison given how much more incompetent he is and has about 10x the baggage Sanders has.
I get it but I believe he has. He's been great so far this time around.
It really is. Any variety of the "dO yOu WaNt TrUmP tO wIn?" posts.
Yes, we can call out Democrats and still win against a Republican.
Uh the midterms?
AOC and Bernie Sanders are practically ideologically identical. If you love AOC but hate Bernie you basically operate on an extremely superficial level - not to mention this bizarre obsession with "the way the world works" and "understanding how the system works" is why we're all barreling into an extinction level event with no serious plan for how to stop it. You have the glorious liberal consensus that "works within the system" to thank for why our society keeps piling up unsolved problems. Of course the Republicans are evil, of course racists continue to exist, but you will never stop fascism with cosmopolitan liberal technocrats and thinking you can is borderline delusional. As the great Innuendo Studios recently closed out a video by saying - if you want to fight fascism, you have to move left.
This. Biden's history on women is way too problematic and it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. This is just one woman coming forward. I can guarantee you there will likely be a whole lot more. He's from a different era. His objectification of women is something Democrats can't afford not to mention some of his policy positions. Plus, he's old. :p If he's smart and cares about the party/country, he won't run.Sorry, Joe Biden should be disqualified for that. And besides, it's not even just "one" incident. There's video of many incidents of Joe Biden being overly touchy with women and girls. Even just for politics sake, he should be disqualified. Creepy Joe Biden is not what we want to nominate.There's nothing really valuable about Joe Biden to defend him like that. Pathetic response from Bernie. Concerning if he's going to treat Joe Biden this way in the primaries. To be honest, I was bothered by the pledge "not to attack" other candidates. It is valid to attack them on this; he should be attacking more.
seriouslyWe have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
There's only one really divisive candidate so far this time around and it's Biden (assuming he runs). He's the Clinton of this cycle. He will cause people to not vote at all if he's the nominee.
We have a fucking serial rapist in the White House and people are freaking out about a peck on the back of the head?! Do we want Trump out or are we going to just kill each other over the next two years? Because if we are it's gonna be Trump in 2020.
Believe and support women*seriously
im not advocating one candidate over another at this point but for fucks sake let's quit cannibalizing our own party over small perceived indiscretion. we need to not Al Franken our best chance to win back the Presidency from this attack on Democracy by being so damned reactionary to every little thing someone has ever said or done in their lives.
people make mistakes, let it go, that's why we lose to sociopaths, we can't just pull up our pants and move on with imperfect people. people are imperfect but there are degrees and Biden or any other dem is miles ahead of the white nationalist asshole and vice homophobe in chief.
one of these imperfect dems have to win in 2020, above all.
It's not "making excuses", it's understanding the game you're playing and understanding what the limitations are of it and how you need to work to alter the game when you're in power!
It's not like "coastal liberals" love Joe Manchin, it's that the seat is lost if he were to die/resign, he might not have survived voting against Kavanaugh given the way politics polarized in 2018 at the state level around Trump's approval rating, and we need all the numbers we can get if we're gonna add more states and actually pass legislation in 2020! Protesting and Shaming someone who's making the best out of a very, very, very bad situation is super dumb and a complete waste of time and effort.
The idea that a place like West Virginia will magically start voting for Democrats again if we just "move left" is just straight up wrong. It's a take that ignores all modern history of why those places started voting against Democrats (Civil Rights) and instead inserts an answer in its place that's just left wish-fulfillment. Osita Nwanevus piece should be mandatory reading before talking about this stuff. https://agenda-blog.com/2017/07/03/...cs-neoliberalism-and-the-white-working-class/
The only solution to the Senate is to a) win it b) expand it. Because if we don't, we will lose it forever because places like WV aren't going to stop getting redder, and the entire map is gerrymandered in a way where we will always lose if national approval turns into state level results.
A less bad Corbyn is still bad.
"Aren't most of the people who sell the drugs African American?" In 2015. This is not just racist, it's not just ignorant, it's not just mind-blowingly dumb, it's all 3!
During this extremely important meeting three years ago, where I learned a great deal, we had a very open discussion about the issues of systemic racism and the intersection of race and class. I am grateful to the participants in this meeting for engaging with me. The experiences and perspectives they related were incredibly impactful on me as a person and as a presidential candidate. While I clearly misspoke and had more to learn with regard to the causes of this problem, we all came to the meeting understanding what is absolutely true: the criminal justice system is broken and disproportionately arrests and jails African Americans. I am thankful to the participants for their work and willingness to have the kind of discussions that we need to have in order to move forward as a country. I intend to continue having conversations with activists and experts about how we, as a nation, create the society all of us deserve.