Do you remember how that turned out for you last time... meaning like a day ago?
Do you remember how that turned out for you last time... meaning like a day ago?
And that sucks
LOL you wouldn't know good faith if a nun flashed you.
Do you seriously think this thread needed a reminder that Bernie hasn't released tax returns yet? As if it wasn't discussed yesterday or hell, probably even earlier today?Do you remember how that turned out for you last time... meaning like a day ago?
See, good point. But then you're basically saying you'll need growth for a long long time to come with other countries still bringing people in anyway.Ilhan and AOC? And there will be more following their lead.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelko...countries-shrinking-the-fastest/#48b96b68b83c
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...29ba66-0d3f-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html
https://www.ft.com/content/a4d8316e-8566-11e6-8897-2359a58ac7a5
Past a certain level of living standards they shrink (lower than than the replacement rate of 2.1) rather than grow. And immigration isn't going to shore up these numbers forever, since they rely on high growth rates abroad which relies on desperation, low education, and poverty, all things that we're purportedly fighting against, even capitalistic "convergence".
It doesn't require rich people for hoarding behavior to cause recession/depression.I used "modern" to account for this. Capitalists expect growth. When there isn't enough growth they hoard. When too many capitalists hoard at once, they create a recession/depression.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: we were well on our way to handle climate change decades ago, democracy through nimbyism fucked it up. And eco-socialism would likely still rule out nuclear and thus be insufficient (It's why I'm not a fan of GND).It's clearly not flexible enough to handle climate-change or white nationalism. Ecosocialism would work better for the former and internationalist socialism (I made this up, most branches of socialism are "international") would work better for the latter.
Reminder that that's not a plus for him and he announced 1.5 days ago and hasn't been saying soon since 2015. Like, this is the LIMPEST whataboutism you could possibly take up.
Yeah, one's an A-rated charity and the other paid a loser step-son 100K even though he had no experience in the field and seemingly didn't do much of anything.Do you seriously think this thread needed a reminder that Bernie hasn't released tax returns yet? As if it wasn't discussed yesterday or hell, probably even earlier today?
And comparing the sanders institute, an organization that raised less than a million dollars total, to the clinton foundation is insane. Talk about bad faith.
Reminder that Bernie STILL hasn't released his full tax returns....
https://twitter.com/jrubinblogger/status/1106612533564186626
Reminder that Jane Sanders promised in early 2016 that they would release years of tax returns, in full, however many years the Clintons released, 8, 10, whatever it's no big deal. Just gotta go back to Vermont and fire up the ol TurboTax...
https://youtu.be/5uZEtavUWqs
He might not stand out from the pack here, but his supporters definitely do just from anecdotal observation. He does not draw support from the "compromise and bipartisanship" arm of the Democrats, which we should both agree exists. So a victory for Bernie goes beyond him, towards the galvanizing of the political ideology he represents.
Yeah probably, but I already know socialist utopia isn't happening in my lifetime now. When I die I'll be lucky to see a Democratic Socialist (in the strict sense of the term) America.See, good point. But then you're basically saying you'll need growth for a long long time to come with other countries still bringing people in anyway.
I think this is a trigger for it. Orthodox economics view them as "shocks" that just come and go, but Marxist economists say it's due to lack of investment by capital.It doesn't require rich people for hoarding behavior to cause recession/depression.
Nimbyism is a product of capitalism. Every obstacle we have towards switching to nuclear extends from capitalism (preserving the stability of the energy sector, oil lobby, etc).I've said it before, I'll say it again: we were well on our way to handle climate change decades ago, democracy through nimbyism fucked it up. And eco-socialism would likely still rule out nuclear and thus be insufficient (It's why I'm not a fan of GND).
Like, watch this when you have a chance.
I understand a lot of lefties are anti-nuclear but this is not me. I'm pro-nuclear power. I'll watch it when I can though, I already went through the first few minutes a while back.Basically makes all the points I would from the perspective of someone who used to be anti-nuclear pro-renewable.
Nothing is written in stone, these are all gambles and bets that I'm willing to take because I believe the payoff is worth the risk.His base. C'mon, there is no proof more will come - it's possible, but it's not written in stone.
The point is to mock Bernie critics with unhealthy obsessions with the man. He's definitely the best example of "unhealthy Bernie-obsessed critic".I get this deserves criticism, but can y'all find a better source for your tweets this guy's takes are consistently garbage and he's always posted in these threads.
Yeah probably, but I already know socialist utopia isn't happening in my lifetime now. When I die I'll be lucky to see a Democratic Socialist (in the strict sense of the term) America.
Let me correct myself, when I say "growth" I mean in the purely financial, shareholder, asset value sense. I don't think generic "growth" is impossible under socialism, and a form of economy that prioritizes human wellbeing over capital value and accumulation will naturally grow to meet the needs of its people, especially with ROBOT MAGIC.
I think this is a trigger for it. Orthodox economics view it as "shocks" that just come and go, but Marxian economists say it's due to lack of investment by capital.
Nimbyism is a product of capitalism. Every obstacle we have towards switching to nuclear extends from capitalism (preserving the stability of the energy sector, oil lobby, etc).
I understand a lot of lefties are anti-nuclear but this is not me. I'm pro-nuclear power. I'll watch it when I can though, I already went through the first few minutes a while back.
Financial growth without adequate redistribution is not an accurate marker of generic growth. This is why GDP is deceptive and socially conscious economists are pushing for welfare indexes. It's the root of the Bill Gates enters a Bar Stats 101 example. (Links are for the benefit of viewers, not necessarily for you since you probably don't need them.)Financial growth is a representation of generic growth (Whether future or present).
Probably.In either case, the irony is our visions of the super long term future are probably not THAT different with ROBOT MAGIC.
Right, it's a saving problem in general, but when half your country's wealth is owned by a couple of thousand people, when they decide to save it's as if half the country decided to save, leading to Japan, which is still in a long recession by some measurements.But on the saving front, a good example of it not being just a rich people problem is Japan, where everyone saves and it's a massive anchor on their economy.
The fear of scary radiation being near your apartment driving the value down is capitalism. The sustained perception of nuclear being scary and organizations fearmongering about it to suppress nuclear energy or just for business is capitalism. Politicians not being able to run on nuclear because they won't get financial support for it and might even get financial opposition for it is capitalism.The nuclear turn around was more about a couple scares that had outsized influence on people's perception. It was a matter of fear of scary radiation not sector security.
"What if it was Chelsea Clinton" is an interesting question given rose twitter folks just confronted her at a vigil to blame her for the murder of 49 Muslims...
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1106709262472900609
https://twitter.com/wajahatali/status/1106729935840919553
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1106715050222538753
Waiting for Bernie to condemn...
"What if it was Chelsea Clinton" is an interesting question given rose twitter folks just confronted her at a vigil to blame her for the murder of 49 Muslims...
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1106709262472900609
https://twitter.com/wajahatali/status/1106729935840919553
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1106715050222538753
Waiting for Bernie to condemn...
Why does bernie need to condemn random lunatics again when he already put out a statement
Your schtick is getting old
He is? I think its pretty fucking clear he's against that behavior. And again "rose twitter" is not "bernie Sanders staffers"Why wouldn't he? Does Bernie want to be associated with them, or not, because by not doing that is accepting their behaviour into his group.
Don't know what this rose Twitter beef is about, but her jumping on Ilhan reeked of whitesplaining hate speech to some one whose grew up experiencing it her whole life and like many others the subconscious racism of being as uncharitable as possible to pocs showed itself. I have zero love for her.
He is? I think its pretty fucking clear he's against that behavior. And again "rose twitter" is not "bernie Sanders staffers"
Im failing to see what the link is still.Needn't have to be staffer for Bernie to have to disassociate from them. Bernie's history with being clear about separating himself from bad actors is rocky to start with. The dude does the absolute minimum too often then expects everyone to move on, which may be fine with his followers but when you're trying to run for POTUS it's bad optics.
Ok...good work detective.So harassing her is justified I guess? Just say it lol, you want to.
Not the first time, won't be the last
If you disagree with electoralism as a strategy, that's on you. Of course, Bernie is not perfect. He still has a far way to go, but he's the best we have right now. And y'all better believe that I'm supporting him.
To be clear, I'm not saying we should vote for Bernie bc he's Jewish. I'm saying we should vote for Bernie bc he's the best candidate we have to tackle corporate greed, preempt a climate disaster, & fight for universal healthcare. The fact that he's Jewish is a (historic) plus
One of his biggest shortcomings is Palestine. But the reality is that he's the furthest left candidate on Palestine, & I know he can be moved further left. Having a vocally anti-occupation President is worlds better than having someone who panders to AIPAC (everyone else)
You're saying rose twitter as if it's actually a sizeable amount of people blaming clinton. Also more than most of the party sure but Bernie still isnt a socialist.
"Bernie has a responsibility to dissociate himself from every extremely online twitter account."
You're saying rose twitter as if it's actually a sizeable amount of people blaming clinton. Also more than most of the party sure but Bernie still isnt a socialist.
How many people there were isn't the issue, what matters is whether this gets noticed by enough of the electorate which is possible since Chelsea Clinton isn't a random person and how this reflects on Bernie. Simply put, there is downside for Bernie to condemn them. Bernie's an admitted Social Democrat.
I'm going to role switch for a moment because this is ludicrous.
If you're going to hit Bernie on something, do it on something substantial like him not using the "T" word in his Christchurch, and not something petty like what one of his supporters said to Chelsea Clinton at NYU today.
This place is going to be an absolute nightmare when Bernie wins the nomination.
He pulled bullshit in '16? Both him and Clinton played it pretty safe.He wins it above board, rather than the bullshit he pulled in '16, it'll be fine.
Its bullshit that beto and booker and gillibrand thought being wishywashy is a good ideaHonestly it's bullshit that Beto hasn't released his tax returns