I didn't watch The White Lotus (because poors aren't allowed to have HBO) but I looked up the ending because it was so controversial, and lo and behold, it's another instance of one of the worst tropes in media. *sigh*
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I think they are referring to...
Bury Your Gays because Armand dies.
Which is nonsense but sadly people will continue to throwing out that criticism every time a character who is gay dies.
Which is nonsense but sadly people will continue to throwing out that criticism every time a character who is gay dies.
really liked Brand New Cherry Flavor, even tho I can't decide if I thought it was good, or if it's a American Horror Story Asylum situation where its trash but its so psychadelic that I can't help but love it. But I did like it a lot and I'm not a reviewer so really, who gives a fuck.
Also for something touted as a "limited series" it sure ends very open ended.
Also for something touted as a "limited series" it sure ends very open ended.
I hope that's not the trope that is referenced, because it's definitely not the case here. People need to better understand what this trope really is…
I understand it's a problematic trope but I'm surprised the ending was controversial. It made a lot of sense in the context of the story. Like, it's almost surprising it wasn't worse or more fucked up. Would it be unreasonable to ask if a writer within the same minority as this trope can have a little more leeway in storytelling than a network executive? Mike White was really vocal about getting to have pretty complete creative freedom. And for anyone concerned about intentions he explained his super well in the Vulture interview.
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lol what's the point in spoiler tagging when it's pretty fuckin obvious what trope you're talking about lol
The interview is why I looked it up. That's how I learned about it.
Because maybe someone coming into this thread might not be expecting to be hit with spoilers for the last episode of The White Lotus. It's basic decency, regardless if someone can parse the hidden message through context.
The whole story of White Lotus is about how dominant groups stay in power by stepping over minorities, of course it ended like that.
I didn't even consider that but it is actually there. It is one part of the overall conclusion that all of the characters get though.
I feel like the only way you could have that complaint would be if you didn't actually watch it
basic decency for what? I haven't even seen the show yet and I know what they're talking about and now know what's coming. there's no point half ass spoiler tagging lol
Everything's Not Gonna Be Okay
Not shocking. It did end with a proper conclusion at least. Plus, Maria Bamford and Richard Kind guest starring were just oh so good!
My sincere apologies ZeroX for not using spoiler tags, I've edited my post. I didn't think through how transparent my wording was. If it helps, it's not as deleterious of a spoiler as it would be on most other shows. I feel bad, though. I'll be more careful.
What kind of controversy is there in this case, and more importantly to me because I've been reading both of your posts for many years, what do you guys make of it? I want to understand a little better why it's problematic in this case.
G_Shumi
What kind of controversy is there in this case, and more importantly to me because I've been reading both of your posts for many years, what do you guys make of it? I want to understand a little better why it's problematic in this case.
You're good, I'm not concerned about spoilers as a viewer personally, but others might be. It's more just that I could instantly tell what was being referred to with little context.
I think "controversy" is a bit overstated in this case. Again, I completely forgot about the "bury your gays" trope in The White Lotus because everyone that worked at the hotel got a bad ending (in addition to Paula, who was on vacation as a friend of the nuclear family).
The ending of The White Lotus, and the series as a whole, is intended to invoke discussion on how resorts operate and treat their employees. It is also intended to show how the very rich and white people take the land from the local natives and turn them into these kinds of resorts for other rich and white people while the local natives are fed scraps.
Also, keep in mind that the show is satire. So, while the show did take everything pretty extreme, there is plenty of truth to it.
So just to be clear, are we talking about the bury your gays trope here? Because if this is the case, there is none of that in this show.
Most real examples of this harmful trope treat LGBTQ characters as overly expendable (to serve the arc of straight characters, for example), or the story makes them die specifically because of their gayness, like some hate crimes, or AIDS, and so on. That's not what happens in The White Lotus at all. Armond ends up dying because of his addiction problems. And it's made really clear throughout the whole show.
As a queer person, I'm really tired of people talking about the bury your gays trope each time a gay character dies on screen. Queer people can die too, you know? It actually adds confusion to the much needed discussions around the real instances of the harmful bury your gays trope.
And should I really point out that this whole thing comes from someone that didn't actually watch the show??
As a queer person, I'm really tired of people talking about the bury your gays trope each time a gay character dies on screen. Queer people can die too, you know? It actually adds confusion to the much needed discussions around the real instances of the harmful bury your gays trope.
And should I really point out that this whole thing comes from someone that didn't actually watch the show??
ohhh that. well, for what it's worth, I didn't think it came across that way, though I definitely see how it might look that way just reading about it.
‘FBoy Island’: Reality Series Renewed For Season 2 At HBO Max
HBO Max has handed 'FBoy Island' a Season 2 renewal. Season 2, will have "even more big twists in store."
deadline.com
Thanks G_Shumi and Conditional-Pancakes for explaining that.
Hours Left you can easily binge it in one of those 7 day free trials. Well worth it!
Hours Left you can easily binge it in one of those 7 day free trials. Well worth it!
I was going to say I'm not sure how this would even work now that season one's "twist" is out of the bag, but… it's reality tv so it's mostly fake lol‘FBoy Island’: Reality Series Renewed For Season 2 At HBO Max
HBO Max has handed 'FBoy Island' a Season 2 renewal. Season 2, will have "even more big twists in store."
‘Pretty Little Liars: Original Sin’: Zaria & Malia Pyles To Star In HBO Max Reboot
Zaria (Two Distant Strangers) and Malia Pyles (Baskets) are set as leads in HBO Max's Pretty Little Liars: Original Sin.
deadline.com
Oh my gods, this doesn't even exist yet and it is already way too much.
Streaming Boom Keeps TV Salaries at Heady Levels: Here’s What Kate Winslet, Jason Sudeikis and More Are Earning
The changing TV ecosystem has meant the death knell for back-end riches, but the streamers are still shelling out big bucks for A-listers.
variety.com
I'm not sure what it says that the actress who plays Becky isn't on that list even though she's probably in it as much as the others.Streaming Boom Keeps TV Salaries at Heady Levels: Here’s What Kate Winslet, Jason Sudeikis and More Are Earning
The changing TV ecosystem has meant the death knell for back-end riches, but the streamers are still shelling out big bucks for A-listers.
Also, I hope they just end the show if they can get the miracle renewal. I can't imagine how pissed I would be if I cared enough to watch the continuation only for Netflix to cancel it after one season anyway. lol
True. But then again the showrunner seems to have a big ego wanting to stick with his 6 seasons plan.
I mean, the show is doing well enough on Netflix that they p r o b a b l y could get a sixth season if they really wanted.
That's great to hear. Was starting to wonder as there have been no update for awhile.
But is it only for Netflix? I know when articles starting popping up about a month ago they were talking about bringing it back to Netflix and NBC.
A cancellation that haunts me. It was set and ready to go, it blows, not glows.
Oh not only is Movies That Made Us renewed but we know a bunch of the movies they will cover. As I thought to myself as I finished season 2 "surely they must do Robocop right?" I see it is in fact one of the confirmed movies. Another no-brainer is Aliens (you could argue Alien, being the first, but I agree with including the second instead tbh).
The others are actually a lot of horror movies, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Friday the 13th and Coming To America.
I can see them putting the horror movies in another "The Holiday Movies That Made Us" spin off this Halloween (there was a Christmas one last year with Nightmare Before Christmas and Elf) and then the other stuff for season 3.
Notable absence in my opinion... Terminator 2.
The others are actually a lot of horror movies, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Friday the 13th and Coming To America.
I can see them putting the horror movies in another "The Holiday Movies That Made Us" spin off this Halloween (there was a Christmas one last year with Nightmare Before Christmas and Elf) and then the other stuff for season 3.
Notable absence in my opinion... Terminator 2.
I mean, they need to have enough material and access to the right people to do these things, so notable omissions are just as like to be rights issues rather than want issues.
Some of these have been good, some have been poor, precisely because some didn't have access to the key players outside of maybe archive footage. Like how there's no Tom Hanks in the Forrest Gump one, it's a bit of a missed opportunity.
It's why the movies one will never be as good as the toys one, because with the toys you just needed... well the toys. With the movies, the actors are a big part and since clearly this is a "small time" project they only have access to fringe people involved so it ends up feeling cheap like you say. I think Sam Neul was the only "big actor" they got so far?
Still love it tho, and made rewatch Pretty Woman for the first time in like 15 years, and it's still amazing :p
Think the toys one also benefits from their stories also just generally largely being untold as well. Lot of the movies that they've been covering are such pop culture mainstays that they've been covered in interviews, BTS footage, their own documentaries, etc.
Happy to see this
tvline.com
Never Have I Ever Renewed for Season 3
Netflix has picked up the coming-of-age comedy 'Never Have I Ever,' from co-creator Mindy Kaling, for a third season.
tvline.com