Haven't you yourself thrown around the theory he was grooming Salvatierra? Which, if true, I would assume he thought she was too young to be president at this point
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2019 Bolivian election, Evo Morales resigns after massive protest
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Haven't you yourself thrown around the theory he was grooming Salvatierra? Which, if true, I would assume he thought she was too young to be president at this point
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It was rumoured, so I don't know how much credibility it has. She is young (only 30 years old), but seeing how with Morales gone she has taken the reins of the party and everyone seems to respect that, it at the very least proves that she does have some level of internal authority in the party. I mean, despite her young age she was president of the senate, which is not a minor thing.
Police started shooting medical volunteers helping the wounded.
I believe this is from Chile though.
They have been doing this for days. Last night a guy died after police attacked the paramedics taking care of him
In any case, I wouldn't be surprised this can happen in Bolivia too.
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Interesting article from the Associated Press which I believe is worth a read for anyone interested on the topic:
AP Explains: The extraordinary rise and fall of Evo Morales
AP Explains: The extraordinary rise and fall of Evo Morales
I will vividly remember the first day of this happening, seeing a full page of people going "yes!, democracy wins" and other tripe on ERA.
This shows just how easy it is to manipulate people.
Fucking indefensible. Is the mask off enough for our hurray democracy clowns yet?
Media watchdog group, FAIR.org posted an article and an episode of Counterspin about the portrayal of this coup in the Western media.
FAIR: Western Media Whitewash Bolivia's Far-Right Coup
FAIR Counterspin Podcast: Alex Main on Bolivia Coup
FAIR: Western Media Whitewash Bolivia's Far-Right Coup
FAIR Counterspin Podcast: Alex Main on Bolivia Coup
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds has never not been true. They'll gladly see fascism if it stops the left.
Yup, that's what pisses me off about Morales. We could have avoided all this, and now the nutjobs are taking advantage. And defending Morales like he is a good leftist is dumb if you look at his actual records. Of course, the right wing and military will always come and do worse, but whatever. Things always have to be black and white, for or against.
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I have noticed this a lot of these things on these news sites and was pretty angry how one sided the coverage has been on mainstream western media outlets. Glad I was not the only one who saw through the bullshit these news sources are peddling. The idea that the BBC, Reuters, and the New York Times are leftist is laughable at best. This article did not mention it, but I also remember how long it took for these sites to report of the massacre of indigenous protesters, and many western sources referred to the massacre euphemistically as a "skirmish".
It is one thing to see western countries endorse the coup- after all, it is just to be expected given their bigger interest in imperialism and trade interests, but to see groups that are supposed to safeguard the truth endorse it is truly disturbing.
Western media are just completely incapable of handling the nuances of the situation in Latam. They are shite.
US media is already pretty lacking when it comes to covering our own government, but when it's about any other country they become no better than Fox News. The only thing that dictates their tone is how willing the government is to bend to America's will.
The NYT don't have reporters stationed in Bolivia, pretty sure no newspaper in the US do. They rely heavily on their contacts in the state department and the national security community, which is why they time and time and time and time and time again fall for whatever bullshit the current US government is trying to sell.
I mean, do people remember the Iraq war?
That shit was so poorly disgusted even dumb conspiracy stoners got the gist of that war better than the NYT editorial page.
That quote is about Libertarians. (And very much accurate as their lasseiz faire approach to literally everything inevitably leads to massive issues.)
Can we change the title to actually reflect whats going on in Bolivia instead of this BS right wing take, thanks.
I don't know that it's a verified quote of anyone, I think it's just one of those saying. I donno, you have an authoritative source for that?
FWIW, anecdotally, I heard it said way more often with liberal, though it's probably at partially in part to the circles I hang around with, but google supports that as well.
Personally I think you can apply this to whatever you personally want, like, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "scratch a Republican" etc.
What are they gonna do? send the quote police after me?
I KNOW MY RIGHTS, I AM A FREEMAN ON THE LAND AND I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE QUOTE POLICE AS HAVING ANY AUTHORITY OVER ME.
Its the European definition of "liberal", not the US one. The quote is correct but it doesn't mean what people think it means.I don't know that it's a verified quote of anyone, I think it's just one of those saying. I donno, you have an authoritative source for that?
FWIW, anecdotally, I heard it said way more often with liberal, though it's probably at partially in part to the circles I hang around with, but google supports that as well.
Personally I think you can apply this to whatever you personally want, like, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "scratch a Republican" etc.
What are they gonna do? send the quote police after me?
I KNOW MY RIGHTS, I AM A FREEMAN ON THE LAND AND I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE QUOTE POLICE AS HAVING ANY AUTHORITY OVER ME.
American liberals are liberals. American conservatives are liberals. America is a liberal democracy. That quote is inflammatory, to be sure, but american liberals fall under its usage.
Jon Stewert was litterally the best reporter of the Iraq War on TV, and he was just a comedian on Comedy Network. It's not the access of information but a complete lack of critical thinking, if their not outright lying to sell US intervention.
CEPR did good research on Venezuela sanctions and Bolivia's vote count, which both point to US's role in the problems the media are talking about, but they don't give it an ounce of attention.
You have any evidence for that?
FWIW if we talk about actual Nazis, in the Wiemar republic (which I'm pretty sure where the sentiment originally comes from, if not the exact quote), the people who were called liberals were the SDP, which was a center left party, probably closest to the Democratic party in the US (SDP then is not exactly what the SDP is now).
Classical liberalism was pretty much a spent political movement by the time the nazis started getting into power, so I'm not sure why many people would say that about them.
Though again, you can say it about whatever, I really don't think that's even an attributed historical quote of any important person, so it's weird that you'd insist so much that people use a version that at least on the internet, doesn't seem to be use very often.
Could probably start a new thread with all of the more recent developments maybe?
It is so frustrating seeing how little Western news cares about the rest of the world. Theyre very selective on what kind of things they report.
"western media" is irrelevant for whats going to happen in Bolivia, Bolivia is landlocked and right now all its neighbours are either indifferent or pro
Áñez. Thats going to change when the new goverment enters in Argentina in December but thats still 1 out of 5
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The English translation to the Spanish text seems to be quite selective. He said they will "hunt down" (terrible choice of words) any MAS member who take part in acts of subversion, in reference to the coca-leaf producer march which apparently had a push from armed militias. There have been reports of armed militias acting from day 1.
There have been sabotages to the utilities network.
Second, "Bolivian dictatorship" is a loaded way of presenting it, no better than the right wing fanatics that call the thing "not a coup" and Evo a "dictator" or "tyrant". In both cases, wrong and politically loaded.
There was a coup, but the instauration of the interim government followed constitutional procedures (and was declared legal by the Constitution Court) and so far they haven't committed any dictatorial, authoritarian or totalitarian acts that could lead anyone to think they're a dictatorship.
MAS still rules both congress and senate and negotiations are underway between the interim government and MAS.
The goal of the government is to call for elections as soon as possible, but they first need to get a new Electoral Tribunal.
If they don't call for elections, and arrest all political dissidence, then I think it'll be sensible to call them a dictatorship. Not yet.
How did you figure that?
In any case, people are free to create more threads if they want to (already did).
Socialism only works in theory. In reality, it almost always ends up in a right-wing military coup backed by the CIA.
man....... how could anyone be under the impression this wasn't a coup. Only "right wing fanatics" would say that............
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Yes. I have since changed my opinion on the matter. You know, we all can inform ourselves and be better. A military pronunciamiento, contrary to my previous beliefs, is a coup. Nice got'cha though.
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