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2019 Bolivian election, Evo Morales resigns after massive protest
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What the fuck does the Venezuelan dictator have to do with this?
You know...a leftist president can be a corrupt piece of shit.
the world goes beyond left/right divide. He lost his power base with the poor and indigenous populations. Shitty leaders and corrupt governments need to be called out.
You know what it is amazing, I was talking this with my family this morning. Just because we are leftists, that doesn't mean we need to support any corrupt left-wing government. Else, we should be praising the dictator Maburro.
Look, he power tripped. His mistake was not finding a successor and staying in power.
What's happening now is disgusting, though. Camacho and his cronies are doing some.horrible stuff.
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ERA's only support certain social progressive values but in terms of economics, they are as right-leaned as they can be.
So? Military power is absolutely a tool that must be used against corrupt governments.
Is like people arent seeing this
The cure is worst than the disease.
You dont make a cup on a corrupt gov to put a worst one, right??? right???
The cure is worst than the disease.
You dont make a cup on a corrupt gov to put a worst one, right??? right???
1) he broke the rule on term limits
2) he broke the rule of not conceding when he did not win 50% on the first ballot
Evo got power hungry
2) he broke the rule of not conceding when he did not win 50% on the first ballot
Evo got power hungry
Ugh, that Camacho is a religious scum. Nothing good can come from someone aligned with the evangelical right. Hopefully he doesn't replace Morales as the next Bolivian president.
Sure it is. Defenders of the fundamental laws of the country. If the executive is violating the essential laws, the military has sworn to protect the nation above person or party
That's a right wing coup for you. South American leftists politicians are mainly corrupt, but right wing politicians are all ignorant and murderers pieces of shit.
Hmm... So if they don't like whomever gets the presidency next, Are they allowed to remove them?
Enabling the military to remove elected officials is very dangerous. The military should protect the people and never turn against them.
Now calling for elections and staying out of the next election was the correct thing to do, as recommended by the OEA.
you know they are for defending the country of external threats
most countries have an oath along the lines of "threats external and internal" as the principle oath military people take.
The legislative is the power responsible for defending the laws
Ayup. US learn restraint under the presidency of Donald fucking Trump?
And what is the other option? The military and the police massacring the civilians to protect a corrupt piece of shit? Or did you guys forget Venezuela, Nicaragua and Chile?
Pompeii said it best: "Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!"
Came across Noam Chomsky's letter opposing the coup. Does not sound good
These are some good stats, it'll be interesting to see what follows
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Can people remember that he did called for new elections, and AFTER that, Military "suggested" him to step out, BEFORE is legal current term is finished?
He shouldn't have run, yes. But this is a coup. His current term is legal and democratically elected.
He shouldn't have run, yes. But this is a coup. His current term is legal and democratically elected.
How can the people trust a Dictator when they play by their own rules
I will only not say "this has never worked" because I don't know the history of every country but ...
This has never worked on south america
America backed coups of left wing governments aren't good for anyone but rich assholes, even for asshole dictators like Maduro. But these accusations smell like complete bullshit to me. Supporting a coup even here is just proof that it all has nothing to do with saving the people from a bad leader.
Fuck, seriously the best they really have is that he won a perfectly legitimate court case on term limits, and the accusation that he'd defraud an election because he'd be afraid of a losing in a run off after what they claim was a 46%-38% margin, not the official 47%-37% margin, and that some things about the handling of the ballots look "fishy" but nothing definitive.
If they had better evidence than this it'd be known by now.
Fuck, seriously the best they really have is that he won a perfectly legitimate court case on term limits, and the accusation that he'd defraud an election because he'd be afraid of a losing in a run off after what they claim was a 46%-38% margin, not the official 47%-37% margin, and that some things about the handling of the ballots look "fishy" but nothing definitive.
If they had better evidence than this it'd be known by now.
It seems fairly clear cut that he was tampering with the results and that he should never have been allowed to run/run in the first place? That doesn't mean you have to support a military coup.
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Let's not forget he lost the support of indigenous groups, students, workers and that his supporters did kidnap and beat protesters. The police and the military were the last ones to ask for his resignation after about a month of protests.
It is absolutely not clear cut that he was tampering with the results. There's no proof at all. They're finding the worst interpretation they can from an inconclusive report by an organization with heavy US involvement that I don't think is widely available yet.
As for running in the first place, I don't agree with McCutcheon v FEC about the political rights of the politician being correct either, and I'm sure the partisan leanings of the justices played into that decision greatly, but to me at that point you might as well just mention any reason he's perfect, like spent too much on soccer stadiums.
At some point you can't just say "he was no angel but the response was bad" if you let freaking everyone be "no angel". The obvious reason he's no angel here is he's on the left, not because of anything wrong he may have done. Don't treat this like Maduro 2.0.
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new elections were called, the electoral tribunal changed all of its members. Do you want to praise a government that was not elected and that hides their faces? Hell no, a coup is never a solution. Only way to get out of this mess is having new elections, the golpistas will for sure go after anyone related to the left/evo, you can be sure that whoever gets to power will be the right wing that actually lost the elections.
Yet another right wing coup in Latin America, probably masterminded by the CIA.
Morales is the legitimate President and I hope he stays safe. It's likely they'll be trying to assassinate him next.
Morales is the legitimate President and I hope he stays safe. It's likely they'll be trying to assassinate him next.
bolsonaro foreign minister
"There is no coup in Bolivia. The attempted massive electoral fraud delegitimized Evo Morales, who had the right attitude to resign in the face of popular outcry. Brazil will support democratic and constitutional transition. Coup narrative only serves to incite violence."
yeah, confirmed coup
"There is no coup in Bolivia. The attempted massive electoral fraud delegitimized Evo Morales, who had the right attitude to resign in the face of popular outcry. Brazil will support democratic and constitutional transition. Coup narrative only serves to incite violence."
yeah, confirmed coup
RT says its a coup so confirmed "Not a coup" ?
No way it was a coup.
He wasn't allowed to run again, he did it and defrauded the first elections.
Also, fuck Bolsonaro. And fuck bolivarianism.
He wasn't allowed to run again, he did it and defrauded the first elections.
Also, fuck Bolsonaro. And fuck bolivarianism.
I mean. This feels like you're waving away legitimate issues because you like the person's politics.
It was Morales himself who invited OAS to audit the election. And it was based on the OAS report that Morales wanted to call for new elections (which obviously would've been better than a coup). But the audit was not "inconclusive", it was scathing and something that Morales took at face value.
OAS auditors said the voting transmission system was not "100% monitored" or under the control of the appropriate technician. Information was at one point redirected, and thus "it is not possible to have certainty about the . . . results."
The OAS also said that "good practices" were not applied to the official vote-counting because the system "permitted someone to take control" of parts of the process that were supposed to be secure. The integrity of the software was not respected, auditors said; at one point, they said, the system was frozen and fixed in a manner that violated the "essential principles of security."
The OAS concluded that 78 of 333 evaluated vote counts from polling stations showed irregularities and manipulation. The last 5 percent of the vote counting was especially "unusual," auditors said, in that it showed a significant increase for Morales and a sharp decrease for Mesa.
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"In some cases we verified that all the ballots at one [polling station] had been completed by the same person," the OAS wrote. "In some cases we confirmed that person was a representative of [Morales's Movement for Socialism]. . . . We found, also, many ballots in which the ruling party obtained a 100% of the votes."
And yeah, he had stacked the courts with his cronies who had effectively overturned a referendum that had failed to allow Morales to run again. It's not like this was seen as a wonderful result for the left either -- a lot of former Morales allies seemed extremely uncomfortable with the ruling.
You do not have to think that a coup is the right outcome to think that Morales was engaging in some pretty anti-democratic behavior. That in itself is concerning, and Morales's actions and hubris have probably helped get us to where we are. If you're a Leftist, that should frustrate you.
the mandate wasnt over so it was a coup to his original term not the next one
crazy how people who meet the requirements for extreme poverty also meet the requirements for moderate poverty.
hold on academic after your lula hate comment in this thread and this kinda defense of ernesto araujo i might get a wrong impression of you
The OAS is kind of fishy though
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