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hitme

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News broke out of The Athletic, but they're behind a paywall.


BOSTON (CBS) — In November, MLB opened up an investigation into potential sign stealing by the Houston Astros. The investigation was broad, and it's now ensnared the Boston Red Sox in controversy.

Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic reported Tuesday that during their historic 2018 regular season, the Red Sox illegally used their video replay room to try to steal opposing team's sign sequences.

The replay room was designed so that teams could have staff members watch plays closely, to signal to the manager whether or not a play should be challenged. According to the report, some players would walk to that room "during games to learn the sign sequence opponents were using."

The report was careful to note that this particular method of sign stealing was not particularly effective. And in the postseason, MLB essentially assigned a guard to the replay rooms, to ensure that no players could use the replay room for such shenanigans

"Red Sox sources said this system did not appear to be effective or even viable during the 2018 postseason, when the Red Sox went on to win the World Series," the report said. "Opponents were leery enough of sign stealing — and knowledgeable enough about it — to constantly change their sign sequences. And, for the first time in the sport's history, MLB instituted in-person monitors in the replay rooms, starting in the playoffs. For the entire regular season, those rooms had been left unguarded."

Despite the limited effectiveness, a source "who was with the Red Sox in 2018″ did not downplay the actions.

"It's cheating," the person told The Athletic. "Because if you're using a camera to zoom in on the crotch of the catcher, to break down the sign system, and then take that information and give it out to the runner, then he doesn't have to steal it."

For the uninitiated, the sign sequence is the way the pitcher receives a sign from the catcher, who (with a runner on base, and sometimes now with the bases empty) will put down multiple signs, with only one of those signs being active. In the simplest imaginable sequence, the pitcher could be reading the first signal thrown down by the catcher; the rest would just be dummy signs. In more elaborate sequences, the active sign could be the number of outs plus one, or the number of strikes in the count plus one. The active sign could also come after an indicator.

By watching video in the replay room and deciphering the sign sequence, a runner on second base would then be able to read the catcher's sign and try to send a signal to the hitter at the plate to expect what pitch was coming.

It's far from a simple system of "stealing signs," but if true, using the replay room to attempt to decipher sign sequences would surely be a violation of the rules.

"It's impossible to say for certain how much this system helped the Red Sox offense. But their lineup dominated in 2018, when they led the league in runs scored," the report said.

The common link between the allegations against the Astros and the allegations against the Red Sox would be Boston manager Alex Cora, who was a bench coach with Houston prior to getting the job in Boston. Cora spoke with MLB investigators back in November. Cora told The Boston Globe at that time, "It would be irresponsible on my part to comment while it's going on."

The report from Rosenthal and Drellich gave the following assessment from people in baseball: "Many inside the sport believe there is cheating and then there is cheating-cheating. In this view, the Astros undertook the latter, while more indirect video-room efforts — at least before late 2017 — counted as the former."

The report stated that teams were told that it was illegal to use the video replay room "to decode an opposing Club's signs during the game," but MLB did not assign monitors to the replay rooms until the 2018 postseason.

Famously, the Red Sox and Astros caused a stir during the ALCS that season, when an Astros employee was kicked out of an area at Fenway Park during Game 1.
 

Smurf

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a team from boston cheating?

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Of course, Boston sports teams are cheaters with some of the most disgusting and racist fans I've ever encountered.
 

Bigkrev

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MLB really needs to either just legalize this (and switch to some other system, like radios, for signaling), or needs to crack down HARD on these teams for this. They are pushing gambling on games, have a sponsership agreement with MGM Casinos- stuff like this de-legitimizes the game
 

macjester

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Is cheating some kind of local Boston thing? Like its expected "if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying"
 

captmcblack

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Sign stealing is part of the game.

Using things, cameras, secretly positioned non-player personnel, technology to steal signs during the game is not. It's pretty clear.
 

alr1ght

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I'd bet this form of "cheating" is always done. You could probably do the same thing from home. What the Astros did was on another level.
 
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I know it's a common refrain that isn't really an excuse, but at this point I have little doubt that all teams cheat with regard to sign stealing at least to a certain extent. But that shouldn't save the Astros from serious consequences for their actions.
 

LBsquared

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Spoiler alert, if your team isn't doing shit like this, your team should be.
 

PlanetSmasher

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At this point it's pretty clear that every team is doing shit like this and Boston is just the worst at doing it without getting caught.
 

affeinvasion

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There's got to be more teams than just these two doing this. It's not like these are some genius Mastermind type schemes. Everyone has the tech to do this sitting in their pockets.
 

AegonSnake

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Alex Cora was supposedly the brains behind the operation over at astros in 2017. Not surprised his record first year was also done we using cheating.
 

Volimar

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I think one of the more disappointing things about these stories is the fans who aren't bothered by it. Like the flopping in soccer. None of those things are related to the test of skill between two teams but people treat you like a child if you want fair play.