All I know, if social media/message boards were a thing back then. That's was some crazy shit man.
Even just the Jordan thing, the way sports media is now, holy shit.
Even just the Jordan thing, the way sports media is now, holy shit.
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1993-94: The Most Shocking Year In Sports?
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I remember going back and forth between Pro get Kemp/Pro keep Pippen. I remember telling my mom about the trade and she talked some sense into me that Pippen should stay. That trade was practically all but done, but I guess Krause changed his mind at the last second.
I saw him for a few minor league games at the pre season games at Geneva, NY.
What kind of take is this? Messier is easily top 5 player to ever play the game.
You're wrong but I'm not going to fight someone for shitting on the Rangers, so you have my sword anyway.
Won the battle, lost the war, assholes.
it was mainly tongue in cheek, but I do think there's some mild truths to it. Even though everything you said is true, the NBA would be stuck in a rough spot because the established punishment for gambling is a lifetime ban.
The NBA wouldn't want to Pete Rose MJ, a d MJ wouldn't want to be Pete Rose'd. So if there was an agreement in place to take his suspension on the chin for a season as a "retirement", then he could come back.
I always found it weird that a competitor like MJ would just retire after that season with the Knicks debacle.
This was so depressing as a White Sox fan. Made the playoffs in 93 and everything was clicking in 94 before the strike. That squad never got it back after that. I remember the Sun Times using team stats to run a virtual post season and the Sox won. Waited so long to see Sox Win World Series as a newspaper headline and it had to happen like that. :(
I think they'll get a team back soon-ish.
The city has grown a lot since the mid-90s.
Minneapolis here. Was 13. The Chris Rock "Black people too happy, white people too mad" line totally applied to that PoC majority class. Class loudly cheered at the verdict, teacher audibly said "Really!?!!".
Man...to be a kid back then. What a wild time.
The Tampa Bay Rays are supposed to play some games in Montreal, right?
Yeah, this is a pretty good case.
The OJ doc is great. Also consider that in 1993, OJ Simpson tossed out the fucking coin for the Super Bowl, and then a year later he'd be the most notorious person in America
When we watched that OJ doc, my wife didn't know that OJ Simpson was a huge sports star and celebrity, she thought he was mostly just known for being an alleged murderer, the car chase, and the trial. So when we watched the doc and it went back to his football career and his movie career she was like "... wait... he was famous before this?" Behind Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Bill Clinton, Tom Cruise, Michael Jordan, and some others, OJ Simpson was arguably one of the most famous people in America in 1992. And he had cross-over appeal because it wasn't just people who were into movies and TV who knew him, or just people who were into sports knew him, he was a mega celeb because he was a star in sports, was popular on TV in commercials, and was amazing in the Naked Gun movies. It'd be like if The Rock was accused of murder and led cops on a low speed chase through LA tomorrow.
He was a famous celebrity nationwide, one of the greatest American football stars up to that point, and he transitioned over to TV, commercials, and movies after his sports career.
The OJ doc is great. Also consider that in 1993, OJ Simpson tossed out the fucking coin for the Super Bowl, and then a year later he'd be the most notorious person in America
When we watched that OJ doc, my wife didn't know that OJ Simpson was a huge sports star and celebrity, she thought he was mostly just known for being an alleged murderer, the car chase, and the trial. So when we watched the doc and it went back to his football career and his movie career she was like "... wait... he was famous before this?" Behind Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Bill Clinton, Tom Cruise, Michael Jordan, and some others, OJ Simpson was arguably one of the most famous people in America in 1992. And he had cross-over appeal because it wasn't just people who were into movies and TV who knew him, or just people who were into sports knew him, he was a mega celeb because he was a star in sports, was popular on TV in commercials, and was amazing in the Naked Gun movies. It'd be like if The Rock was accused of murder and led cops on a low speed chase through LA tomorrow.
He was a famous celebrity nationwide, one of the greatest American football stars up to that point, and he transitioned over to TV, commercials, and movies after his sports career.
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It was brutal. If that strike doesn't happen, the fate of the Expos would have been different. Follow it up with the way MLB treated the team causing the slow death all while blaming the city and fans. Absolutely brutal. Bud Selig should be in prison for how he treated the Expos.
The success of the Blue Jays was opposite spectrum. Back to back championships for the Jays, terrible mistreatment of the Expos. 90s was really mixed feelings for Canadian baseball fans.
Wait, the OJ Simpson chase happened on the same day as the opening of the World Cup?
It's funny how in the US the chase probably completely overshadowed the WC opening, while in the rest of the world it was the other way around.
It's funny how in the US the chase probably completely overshadowed the WC opening, while in the rest of the world it was the other way around.
Haven't watched it yet, but as a longtime tennis/Monica Seles fan, '93 was the year she was the no.1 ranked player in the world and was stabbed literally on court by a crazed Steffi Graf fan (Graf was Seles's biggest rival), which would lead to Seles being away from the game for 2 1/2 years and altering women's tennis history
95 million people in the country are estimated to have watched the OJ Bronco chase, more than that year's Super Bowl. So yeah it was a big deal here in the US.
There was also the murder of Andres Escobar, the colombian player that got killed by a drug cartel for scoring an own goal during the World Cup
It didn't help that Olympic Stadium is a horrible stadium for baseball.
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It doesn't really make much sense though, tons of other NBA players gamble a ton. Charles Barkley gambled away millions, so did Antoine Walker.
Also, Jordan quit baseball because he didn't want to be part of the baseball owner's plans to replace players with minor leaguers. There's no way the NBA could have known the baseball strike would play out that way and that Jordan would come back.
Also the Knicks never beat the Jordan Bulls, the "Knicks debacle" you're talking about I assume would be the 1994 playoffs when Jordan was already retired.
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Yes! I also forgot the Nancy Kerrigan/Tonya Harding debacle as someone else brought up before, probably one of the most infamous Olympic scandals ever.
No question looking back on it, 1993/1994 was the most insane period for sports. So many crazy, unbelievable things happening in such a short stretch of time.
Sorry, you're right, I had my timeline mixed up with the Knicks series.
I've just always found it odd that a) the NBA launched an investigation in Jordan's gambling habits just a few months before he retired and b) the criminal trial Jordan had to testify at about gambling losses.
To your point about Barkley, however, I don't think Barkley was ever accused of gambling on games while he played. That was the accusation against Jordan, which could've led to the NBA's policy investigation.
As a kid growing up just outside of Indianapolis, that was a hugely formative year for me developing an interest in sports. The Pacers began their rise in the east by making it to the Eastern Conference Finals as the 5th seed against the Knicks and taking them to seven games in a series that made Reggie Miller a household name. Here he is dropping 25 pts in the fourth quarter of game five at Madison Square Garden.
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I don't think Jordan was ever accused of gambling on games. He gambled on recreational golf games, some of the people he gambled with were kinda unscrupulous figures. And went to Atlantic City casino the night before a Bulls-Knicks playoffs. But there's really nothing illegal about any of that.
No one cares when Barkley did it because he had perfected the "anti-role model" public persona, whereas Jordan's public image was to be squeaky clean all the time.
Just like people freaked out over Tiger Woods sleeping with a lot of women, but if we're honest, we know full well many athletes and celebrities do the same thing, Dennis Rodman did and no one cared.
Yeah, the image that the athlete/endorser is selling is important. No one (of consequence) would have given a shit about Tiger chasing tail if he wasn't trying to use a family friendly image to sell Buicks.
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The other bizarre thing about the OJ chase
A chase on Los Angeles freeways is that it had kinda weird similiarities to the no.1 movie in America that exact week which was the new released Speed (Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock). The *same* week, lol.
A chase on Los Angeles freeways is that it had kinda weird similiarities to the no.1 movie in America that exact week which was the new released Speed (Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock). The *same* week, lol.
Germany 1 - Bulgaria 2
One of the bigger upsets in WC history (Bulgaria coming back from being 0:1 down).
England and France didn't even qualify for the World Cup.
And then you had the Maradona cocaine thing…
One of the bigger upsets in WC history (Bulgaria coming back from being 0:1 down).
England and France didn't even qualify for the World Cup.
And then you had the Maradona cocaine thing…
It's pretty crazy how bad it went for the Jays in 94. Some big losses with injuries, some key players under performing, and I think Henderson, and Fernandez were gone too.
That Expos outfield, along with Martinez, christ.
And I don't understand how the Big O was even approved.
Also in '94 the Benetton team tampered with the FIA issued refueling rig allowing the fuel valve to stick open resulting in a massive pit fire.
Seeing this happen after thinking it never would alone makes it an amazing year. But I remember coming home from the cup parade and watching OJ in Al Cowling's white Bronco leading the cops on that slow speed chase while the Knicks/Houston game stopped so the players could watch it unfold on the screen above the court was one of the most surreal things I have ever seen in sports.
That was so bizarre. She had surgery but it was a fairly minor injury that healed after two weeks, but the psychological damage was deep. Seles became reclusive and gained a bunch of weight before trying a comeback. She was never the same player.
It will always be 94 for me. The loss of Ayrton Senna still hurts, but we won the 4th World Cup.
How about a Jets uniform?This was also the year that Joe Montana was traded from the 49ers to the Chiefs and seeing him in a Chiefs uniform still looks weird almost thirty years later.
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Yeah, it was crazy. O.J. was wild. We followed it in school lol. Also blatantly racist and corrupt cops likely got a guilty black man acquitted, which is not typically how such things go.
The '94 MLB season was the last one I followed fully until last year. I was a teenager, and I remember it being a particularly fun and exciting season.
The '94 MLB season was the last one I followed fully until last year. I was a teenager, and I remember it being a particularly fun and exciting season.