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18 year old U.S. Student Jailed for Quarantine Violation in the Cayman Islands, Family Pleads for Her Release
- Thread starter WrenchNinja
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Exactly. She totally didn't take this seriously. And people don't even regard how bad a spread on an island can be vs even the US. They have WAY less hospitals and older populations. They HAVE to be this harsh on people. Especially when you pretty much premeditated it. Fuck all that shit.
Well, if the prosecution appealed the first sentence which was a fine and community service, why wouldn't her lawyers get to appeal as well?
I've said I don't think these problems are dealt with well within the criminal justice system. They have to be dealt with from a public health one.
It says she was jailed immediately. She will still come into contact with guards and doctors. Those can then increase the spread in prison. And the original judge was okay with her not getting prison time. Why is the high court's the only opinion that matters?
Exactly. Prison reform is only good sometimes it seems.
It doesn't but even then, she still comes into contact with people.
Um where did it say she was put in the prison general population during quarantine?
Because the high court saw more of this being more than a slap on a wrist and even with guards there are ways to easily not have spread again you are not taking account to people being on an island and people like this acting up abroad is bullshit. Especially when they put a whole island at risk.
The punishment exists to deter people from breaking quarantine.
Cayman has managed to limit new COVID cases to 3 or less a day during this outbreak, in large part due to this quarantine on new travelers. By keeping numbers small, it's possible to trace contacts of the newly infected, isolate potentially infected people quickly, and limit the wider spread. This is what every nation that has handled this pandemic successfully has done. A quarantine can be enforced impartially on a limited, defined population whose compliance can be monitored.
They are in a very different situation than America, which you're using as your point of comparison. In the US, the virus is spreading uncontrollably among hundreds of thousands of people a day, it's spreading at an even higher rate in jails and prisons than it is in the general population, and the compliance rules that exist apply to the entire population, not a limited class of travelers, meaning that they're unlikely to be enforceable in an equitable way.
I agree that in the US, throwing someone in jail for, say, a mask-wearing violation is likely to be counterproductive, in that it is too random an act to be likely to deter, too likely to be enforced against a disadvantaged subset of the population, and liable to contribute to the further spread of COVID in and out of jail. But the situation in the Cayman Islands is very different. An arrest with a strong punishment can properly deter travelers (who, as this story shows, are being tracked while in quarantine) and can keep already-low COVID numbers from rising.
I think four months is a lot as a sentence, but if we're talking about what's effective as public health policy it's important to put it into proper context.
You can be for prison reform and simultaneously against white privilege activating in the current criminal justice system. These aren't actually mutually exclusive positions.
Reckless endangerment of other people through willfully and knowingly exposing them to COVID has to start having more consequences, everywhere. The details of the sentence could use refinement, but I think of this as analogous to drinking and driving, and we have to start treating it similarly.
The State Department has told travelers for a long time to follow the laws of the countries they travel to - while other countries can choose to work with their US consulate to release US citizens from custody, there's no obligation for them to do so. I can't say I feel much sympathy - her actions could easily kill people both here and there if she became a carrier. She'll sit in jail for a bit (it's not like it's a life sentence, and she'll probably be released early anyway), learn her lesson, and then perhaps next time she'll follow the laws of the places she travels to.
Exactly this. Islands have huge disadvantages vs the mainlands and community spread would overwhelm them in a damn instant.
I am taking them being on an island into account. I said the exact same things for the people who got arrested in Hawaii for flying back and breaking quarantine.
Of course. I agree. That's why I'm against both the man and woman going to prison.
Fucking rich. Literally. They know the damn difference and context and islands are less harsh in sentencing than the US as it is. Hell in JA vybez kartel can still make a full living while imprisoned for murder.
But you're mad at people for not caring that this woman is in jail, not understanding that the reason people don't care is because it's high time that white people face the consequences for their actions the rest of us would, not because they are against prison reform.
Massive fines don't teach well off people the lessons they need to learn.
You aren't you are just applying bullshit to this conversation while not taking the real risks an island has real colonizer vibes with your commentary here especially when the prison systems on these islands are way more fair than anything in america.
1) Since they don't have Covid they are free to go inside the prison unless there is an active outbreak there.
2) 4 month is not even that lot, the damage both as term of live and of livelihood she could have caused are massive.
3) I'm sure they were very well informed in the immigration of the penalty for breaking quarantine.
2) 4 month is not even that lot, the damage both as term of live and of livelihood she could have caused are massive.
3) I'm sure they were very well informed in the immigration of the penalty for breaking quarantine.
Why are we having a conversation about "prison reform" in a thread about a person who is being jailed FOR FOUR MONTHS in a completely different justice & prison system?
As an American, I care deeply about American Prison Reform, because it's the only system I can have an effect on. Also, I care about American Prison Reform because the current system is imprisoning people FOR TWENTY-TO-LIFE for minor drug offenses. My desires for reform don't currently extend to a whopping 120-day sentence for knowingly violating pandemic quarantine orders for dumb babies who think they aren't accountable for their own damn actions.
Some people in this thread just found out about "prison reform" and it shows.
As an American, I care deeply about American Prison Reform, because it's the only system I can have an effect on. Also, I care about American Prison Reform because the current system is imprisoning people FOR TWENTY-TO-LIFE for minor drug offenses. My desires for reform don't currently extend to a whopping 120-day sentence for knowingly violating pandemic quarantine orders for dumb babies who think they aren't accountable for their own damn actions.
Some people in this thread just found out about "prison reform" and it shows.
Time is the universal currency.
People are like 'fine her! don't put her in prison for 4 months', and that's bullshit. $4k is nothing to these people. They probably shit out $4k worth of prescription medicine and supplements every day.
But taking away some of their time on this planet is something they can't get back. Force her to be around people who isn't like her, maybe she'll learn something.
I don't understand why people are willing to throw their arms in with her when she willingly committed a crime, putting the entire population at risk.
People are like 'fine her! don't put her in prison for 4 months', and that's bullshit. $4k is nothing to these people. They probably shit out $4k worth of prescription medicine and supplements every day.
But taking away some of their time on this planet is something they can't get back. Force her to be around people who isn't like her, maybe she'll learn something.
I don't understand why people are willing to throw their arms in with her when she willingly committed a crime, putting the entire population at risk.
Exactly the audacity lol. Island prison systems are NOT anything like the US.
I'm not mad at anything nor anyone. I even said I fully understand why people are thinking the way they do in the thread. I'm not faulting anyone for thinking the way they do.
My prison reform comments stem from the fact that, often, it is used selectively.
Colonizer vibes? How so?
She could've gotten two years and a $10k fine.
www.caymancompass.com
4 months for 'selfish', 'arrogant' quarantine breachers
An 18-year-old visitor and her boyfriend were each sentenced to four months in jail for their respective roles in a quarantine-breach case.
www.caymancompass.com
Right. America is the worst system in the world. None of these islands which mind you are predominantly black don't remotely do anything but apply laws equally to everyone.
Great post. 4 months isn't even close to comparable to LOSING YEARS OF YOUR LIFE.
Frankly, it's fucking offensive to equate the two situations.
But this isn't the US prison system. So why even bring it up?
There's different philosophies.
American prison reform is one thing... but some people are usually more vocal about not using prison for small crimes OR abolishing prison altogether. The latter bits apply to any country.
I'm personally in a weird space. I don't believe she should be in prison for this, BUT part of prison reform is reducing the circumstances that lead to crime. I don't know how to affect the behavior of people like this girl who want for nothing, but then will still break laws.
But, much shorter response: Some of us believe in reform beyond America. Though, I'm still personally evaluating.
Thinking that this prison system is remotely anything like the US. it's not. Its actually a predominantly Black Country and they apply laws in a reasonable manner in most cases unlike the US and on top of that she could've gotten a way worse sentence according to the law. This is fair.
1. A law dealing with a temporary pandemic is not really the platform for arguing for prison reform. It is a poor example to use for far reaching problems in the criminal justice system.
2. If there was ever an example where jailing someone was more about setting an example than about punishment, it is this. Let them both serve the full term so that no more Americans feel it's worth the risk to flout the rules and spread the virus there. Lives will be saved.
2. If there was ever an example where jailing someone was more about setting an example than about punishment, it is this. Let them both serve the full term so that no more Americans feel it's worth the risk to flout the rules and spread the virus there. Lives will be saved.
Plus she is pretty hysterical right now! That's gotta count for something!!
Should be more than 4 months for endangering people's lives.
Good.
What use is there in fining someone when they're already rich and probably don't give a damn about paying. Just sends the message that if you're wealthy enough, you can just pay your way out of breaking the law (which ppl do all the time).
Island prison systems are very different. Lock her up for 4 months, teach her a lesson about her actions.
What use is there in fining someone when they're already rich and probably don't give a damn about paying. Just sends the message that if you're wealthy enough, you can just pay your way out of breaking the law (which ppl do all the time).
Island prison systems are very different. Lock her up for 4 months, teach her a lesson about her actions.
Her family trying to generate sympathy for her and get her out of consequences is exactly why she pulled that shit to begin with. Seems like she grew up never facing consequences for her bad decisions and so here we are.
The Cayman Islands have problems just like everyone else with jails. Even they have to be careful.
Fair enough.
And the law was up to 2 years they still got a slap on the wrist. this was a fair and actually Lenient ruling for someone who pre-meditated this.
They aren't the US. Your arguments are ridiculous when 1 the law was applied and they even cut the sentence when it was 2 years. This is more than fair. And bringing up an article from March does nothing here.
You're correct. They are not the U.S. And if you think it's fair, you think it's fair and I get why.
I don't think is a small crime, this could have done immense damage to the island.
She broke quarantine when she was informed about the consequence.
It's fair and they are not the US and you applying some weird logic that people shouldn't be punished for clear pre-meditation is ridiculous esp when the law was set for 2 years and the landed on 4 months. They are gonna be just fine and sit in jail and realize they can play stupid games especially abroad on an island that has higher risks than the US.
Exactly. They are lucky it's not the full 2 years. Islands have zero capacity or capability to handle out breaks let alone bring refrigeration trucks like what's happening in the fucking US.