Naw four month for this is about right. It would be the max I think for this type of thing.
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18 year old U.S. Student Jailed for Quarantine Violation in the Cayman Islands, Family Pleads for Her Release
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Naw four month for this is about right. It would be the max I think for this type of thing.
The punishment is probably due to her pre-planning to not abide by quarantine rules when she asked for a looser bracelet, and then proceeded to remove it and sneak off. I doubt she would have gotten the 4 months if she just carelessly broke quarantine.
I think four months seems harsh, but at the same time if you enter a country and they're going to go to the extreme of mandating house arrest bracelets to all that enter, expect extreme outcomes of breaking the law.
The right answer (not just specific to this case, but in the U.S., especially) should be fines that are relative to a person's income/wealth. There was some country a while back that give a rich guy a million dollar fine for speeding. Rich people don't care about $200 fines, or even $10,000 fines, but a million dollar fine might actually get their attention.
Those with less money should be given a lesser fine or, in the case where even a small fine could be devastating, offer community service instead.
So, yeah, I'd say in this case, a fine instead of jail time is appropriate, especially given covid spread in jails, but it should be much higher. Someone who can afford that kind of trip can easily afford a $3000 fine. The fine needs to hurt.
White people really do walk around thinking that they are physically and emotionally frail darlings completely unfit for the jails that house the rest of us melanated animals.
The punishment is tell other idiots not break the quarantine rule. Broke it? Tough luck.
It's like what would you expecting when walking into a land mines with a big fucking sign "Danger, keep out"?
And what exactly is prison time going to do? Prison should be the last thing we do to get people to take covid seriously. Even a month would have been too much, But 4?
Just because she might be wealthy, doesn't mean a heavy fine and community service is a "light sentence". That's like saying we should get rid of fines and go straight to jail for anything just because the majority of our country can afford the fines.
I have 0 sympathy for white Americans breaking rules in other countries and trying to use their privileged tears to escape
Personally I think covid laws should be extremely tough. Anti makers should be jailed
Vaccination should be (free) and mandatory or you get a hefty fine
Personally I think covid laws should be extremely tough. Anti makers should be jailed
Vaccination should be (free) and mandatory or you get a hefty fine
This wasn't some they did out of passion or last second, they DELIBERATELY PREMEDIATED THIS.
US college student jailed in Cayman Islands for violating strict COVID-19 rules
Skylar Mack, 18, of Georgia, and Vanjae Ramgeet, 24, of the Cayman Islands, have been in prison since Tuesday.
www.usatoday.com
She is rich, you think a fine would have taught her anything? What if she had covid and caused an outbreak which led to deaths?
Guys:
She didn't steal food to feed her starving children.
She actively went to a foreign country and flaunted their quarantine laws for purely selfish reasons.
There's a STARK difference between the two. A poor person will hardly ever go to another country to watch their boyfriend jetski. Jeeze.
She didn't steal food to feed her starving children.
She actively went to a foreign country and flaunted their quarantine laws for purely selfish reasons.
There's a STARK difference between the two. A poor person will hardly ever go to another country to watch their boyfriend jetski. Jeeze.
I thought that but if she's a little rich kid who just can just throw money at it then it's not much of a punishment or deterrent to other little rich kids coming in. I think 4 months prison time is a bit much, maybe shorter or fuck me make her do community service for 4 months.
In my mind people coming to the USA and fucking around with the immigration laws would get no sympathy from most of the public but when it's flipped for some reason we supposed to give a shit.
arrested for exercising her birth rights of privileges. Poor girl she is suffering.
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What a weird racial distinction.
But yeah, COVID is serious. If you break the rules accept the consequences. I am sure the consequences have been explained to her.
You don't even have to "fuck around with the immigration laws" to get thrown in a concentration camp. All you have to do is legally seek asylum from a dangerous situation that we probably actively meddled in and caused in the first place.
I see it the same as getting caught driving impaired. Whether she crashed or not, she selfishly put people in danger.
people do understand the difference between a mistake and deliberately taking the bracelet off to go to a jetski tournament right?
Put me in the 4 months seems overly harsh camp. She's a teenager. Acting self-centered is what teens do. I'd say 30 days would still teach her a lesson she wouldn't soon forget
10/10
Would jail again.
These communities work hard to be COVID Free and to have that put at risk due to selfishness - any punishment is well deserved.
Would jail again.
These communities work hard to be COVID Free and to have that put at risk due to selfishness - any punishment is well deserved.
The punishment is still designed to deter people from spreading the virus. She's not spreading it if she's negative.
Does prison teach anyone anything? What if she caused a covid outbreak in prison?
Yeah, she took the risk and got got caught so she deserves the consequences. I agree with some other posters that a heavy fine feels like a more apt punishment than jail time, but it is what it is.This wasn't some they did out of passion or last second, they DELIBERATELY PREMEDIATED THIS.
US college student jailed in Cayman Islands for violating strict COVID-19 rules
Skylar Mack, 18, of Georgia, and Vanjae Ramgeet, 24, of the Cayman Islands, have been in prison since Tuesday.www.usatoday.com
A fine would do nothing to deter her or others from doing this again in the future. This was an absolutely flagrant disregard for the law and for others. Island countries are not as well equipped to deal with stuff like this -- there aren't as many doctors, it isn't as easy to get around, the systems just aren't in place to deal with an influx of death and disease. You absolutely have to throw the book at someone doing this. Sorry, she should be punished severely and if they've decided 4 months of jail time is appropriate then I agree with them.
I don't see why this is even an argument. This is a law of a sovereign nation. She knew the law, and then she broke it. What if someone came to your country, broke one of your laws (pre-meditated) that you're required to abide by, and then complained about the punishment and said it wasn't just? The fact that it's 4 months in prison doesn't matter. She's in another country, she knew the law, she knew the punishment if she was caught, and did it anyway. Sure, she can try and ask for mercy from the courts, but it's on them to grant it. This is the same as someone getting a speeding ticket and then complaining that the fine is too large and it needs to be reduced. I feel no sympathy, she's an asshole.
That's the ideal scenario on how it should work. The system isn't currently set up for rehabilitation, it needs to be reformed. Its only practical use right now is punishment. So if you jail anyone for any reason, you're doing it knowing that's the system you're working with. I'm ok with potentially jailing people who put the public at harm, while also working towards reforming the prison system to be more fair, humane, and produce better outcomes.
I'm also not opposed to proportional fines, and I'm not dead set on "these people have to be in jail", I just want meaningful consequences for blatantly and arrogantly disregarding the safety of others during a pandemic.
Island hospitals would be overrun in an instant if they have any outbreak these kind of punishments have to happen on islands.
There is a reason why there is a 14 day quarantine. You can be negative Monday and positive on Thursday how the hell you think this works.
Yeah I mean, I'm not losing sleep over this but the "Don't break the law" responses to this are straight up Trumpian. With that said, the ONLY reason this is a story is because she's a white girl
Nothing weird about the racial aspect at all
The only reason this is a NYT story at all is because she's white
18 is more than old enough to know right from wrong. My 6 year old knows she needs a mask to go in public 👀
That's my point. If she's a risk, she should not be in prison.
Either the punishment doesn't fit the crime because she doesn't have the virus or she's going to spread it to other prisoners. That's why I'm against jailing both the man and woman.
Absolute facts. My county posted a new daily total a few days ago that was nearly double the total amount that Cayman Islands has experienced since the outbreak startrd
So... consequences when then? She's not a victim of structural racism, economic white supremacy, or left behind by an anemic social safety net. She's a rich white girl.
She traveled from a country— and a state— experiencing an out of control outbreak to one that had largely been spared because she doesn't care. She then broke quarantine to go watch a jet ski competition (🤯) because she doesn't care and likely hasn't experienced consequences for her actions before [see: rich white girl] so... consequences when exactly?
If incarceration for four months— that won't affect her ability to continue being a rich privileged white person in the US— is deemed too harsh, then what? A fine? How much then? A million for every month she would have served? 5 million? Can the fine be appealed by her family's lawyers? Where should the money fined go to in order to best serve the material interests of the Caymanians who, as we've already established, this girl gave zero fucks about?
That girl and the this guy would make such a perfect couple. Must be something about jetskis that makes them think laws don't apply to them.
www.theguardian.com
Man who rode jetski from Scotland to Isle of Man to see girlfriend jailed for Covid breach
The man, who had never driven a jetski before, believed the journey would take 40 minutes, but it took four-and-a-half hours
www.theguardian.com
Remember the French woman visiting her mother in British Columbia, who was thrown in a hole for weeks by the Americans for accidentally jogging across the border?
I doubt they would have locked her up for 2 weeks if she wasn't brown.
Im in this boat as well. I don't have any sympathy for this woman in a vacuum, but the implications that could have if more widely adopted (and how easy it can be to get people to accept/champion that) is what is concerning to me.
That's not a point. And she can be forcibly isolated. Island spread is MORE dangerous than mainlands. They need to be punished for this crap especially when she pre-meditated this.
It's not even about the law here, as much as the threats to islands are way more devastating with spread than mainlands.
I'm so fuckin tired of white people (especially white women) trying to get the easy way out. Like fuck off enjoy your 4 months. Next time don't break the law in another country you privileged piece of shit.
As a former teenager, I can tell you that I wasn't so self-centered that I thought I could premeditatively break the law of another country and expect the media to try and bail me out. Like, it never even occurred to me that that was an option. Minorities don't grow up with this level of insulation and delusion about what can happen to them if they step out of line. I say popping the bubble on these rich, white assholes and letting them know the rest of the world doesn't play that shit is a good learning experience. Puts hair on your chest.
I don't remember that, because I never heard of it until now. She wasn't as important as SKYLAR.
Deliberate disregard for local laws during a global pandemic....excuse me while I weep for her and my lost trumpian soul.
They gave her a tracking bracelet, she was fully aware of the risks lol. It's a harsh punishment but I don't see why she should receive special treatment.
I can't speak for Cayman Islands jail.
But I know ours has a separate section of jail to allow for continued isolation During jail.
Id assume they have the same
So any fear that'd cause a prison outbreak is most likely unwarranted
And jail time is still justified.
But I know ours has a separate section of jail to allow for continued isolation During jail.
Id assume they have the same
So any fear that'd cause a prison outbreak is most likely unwarranted
And jail time is still justified.