15 children in New York hospitalized with a mysterious illness possibly tied to COVID-19

[Loudninja]

Sigh more unknown issues popping up

Fifteen children, many of whom had the coronavirus, have recently been hospitalized in New York City with a mysterious syndrome that doctors do not yet fully understand but that has also been reported in several European countries, health officials announced Monday night.

Many of the children, ages 2 to 15, have shown symptoms associated with toxic shock or Kawasaki disease, a rare illness in children that involves inflammation of the blood vessels, including coronary arteries, the city's health department said.

None of the New York City patients with the syndrome have died, according to a bulletin from the health department, which describes the illness as a "multisystem inflammatory syndrome potentially associated with COVID-19."

Reached late Monday night, the state health commissioner, Dr. Howard A. Zucker, said state officials were also investigating the unexplained syndrome.
The syndrome has received growing attention in recent weeks as cases began appearing in European countries hit hard by the coronavirus.

"There are some recent rare descriptions of children in some European countries that have had this inflammatory syndrome, which is similar to the Kawasaki syndrome, but it seems to be very rare," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, a World Health Organization scientist, said at a news briefing last week.
It was not immediately known whether children in other parts of the United States have come down with this illness. New York City has been the center of the pandemic.

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Reports of children sick with the unexplained syndrome in New York City have been circulating for several days, but Monday's bulletin was the first time the city's health authorities warned doctors to be on the lookout for patients who might have it.

The bulletin said that most of the 15 children had a fever and many had a rash, vomiting or diarrhea. Since being hospitalized, five of them have needed a mechanical ventilator to help them breathe, and most of the 15 "required blood pressure support."

"The full spectrum of disease is not yet known," the bulletin said. Of the 15 patients, most either tested positive for the coronavirus or were found, through antibody testing, to likely have been previously infected.

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Kawasaki disease symptoms seen in some kids who had COVID-19

Many of the children, ages 2 to 15, have shown symptoms associated with toxic shock or Kawasaki disease, a rare illness in children that involves inflammation of the blood vessels.

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[Mzril]

Yeah schools aren't opening in September at full capacity. No way in hell.

 

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[Hadok]

Same in Uk and France.

 

[Ferrasvansen]

Hope this is not a sign of what's to come, some viruses can hide in the body and suddenly spring into action in some form.

 

[Deleted member 21709]

Take care everyone.

 

[Greg NYC3]

This sounds very similar to the illness that took the life of that poor five year old in Detroit. Hopefully it doesn't get worse.

 

[Video Kojima]

This nightmare train isn't stopping soon is it.

 

[Particle Physicist]

My friends son developed Kawasaki's. He was never diagnosed with COVID19 but my friend (his mom) had it. I don't think they tested him for it. He is doing well and out of the hospital after treatment but he still needs to be closely monitored and have multiple repeat echocardiogram to make sure he doesn't develop coronary aneurysms. :/

this was in Detroit.

 

[M. Wallace]

The school year is cancelled folks.

 

[entremet]

We just don't know enough about this virus.

But yeah, schools better start coming up with some long terms strategies. We also need federal investment.

 

[boontobias]

Better get used to your kids in the house. Fall 2020 is cancelled

 

[Bakercat]

Could the virus mutate in children?

 

[Tom Nook]

JC. :(

 

[Speevy]

What is happening with this virus that this is just now showing in children?

 

[entremet]

What is happening with this virus that this is just now showing in children?

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No one knows. That's the issue.

 

[AnotherNils]

So much for COVID not being asshole to kids as well.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Same cases reported in UK and France (at least)

 

[Speevy]

So much for COVID not being asshole to kids as well.

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It's an asshole to everyone. It just hadn't figured out how to get to kids yet.

 

[Chopchop]

That must be awful. You think it's over, and then more shit comes along.

 

[BobLablow]

Get ready for the goalposts moving to "NO WORSE THAN CHICKENPOX!"

 

[KingSnake]

Similar cases were reported in Europe. Until this is clarified I think opening schools is premature.

 

[Zhengi]

And there are people who are advocating for kids to go back to school. Let's stay in and be safe until we have a working vaccine and/or cure.

 

[Speevy]

Similar cases were reported in Europe. Until this is clarified I think opening schools is premature.

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Opening schools should never be contingent on it killing children. Someone has to drive the buses, clean the school, and serve food. Teachers can also be at higher risk for co-morbidities, and those who are near retirement age may as well just retire if they start classes back.

Of course, if they delay school any more, we probably should all retire since they're going to lay half of us off anyway.

 

[low-G]

I'm just worried that they'll try to open schools. How much trouble will I get into if I refuse to let my kid attend school?

 

[Ephonk]

This is from a Belgian source, from a few days ago with some more info:

Several cases of Kawasaki disease, which may be linked to the coronavirus (Covid-19), have been notified in Belgium, according to Dr Yves Van Laethem, infectious diseases specialist and one of the spokespersons for the crisis centre.

Kawasaki disease, also known as mucocutaneous lymph node syndrome, affects blood vessels throughout the body, which become inflamed. It mainly affects children under the age of five, and boys more than girls.

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The cause of the disease is not known, but it is thought it may result from an auto-immune response to an infection. Studies in the United Kingdom and Germany suggest there has been a slight increase in the number of cases since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

The crisis centre's other main spokesperson, Professor Steven Van Gucht, said the existence of a link is "absolutely not certain".

"This is a very rare condition," he said. The syndrome affects people of Asian ethnicity most, and incidence is higher in Japan than anywhere. People of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity are also more affected, though not to the same extent. Other than those, the numbers of those affected vary from country to country, and can be as low as eight cases per 100,000 of the population.

The main symptom is fever that does not respond to the usual fever treatments and can last for days. The main signs are redness of the eyes, lips and tongue, producing the trademark 'strawberry tongue'.

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The disease is not infectious, and the child recovers after treatment with aspirin and immunoglobulin. Children may also recover spontaneously, although that can be followed by heart problems.

The alarm was raised earlier this week by the Belgian society of paediatricians, warning of the appearance of some ten cases. They made clear, however, that the appearance of Kawasaki is not a reason to avoid sending children back to school when the time comes.

"The paediatricians insist that this is an extremely rare complication on the one hand, and on the other than it is not at all clear that the illness is linked to the coronavirus, since patients have tested negative," Dr Van Laethem said.

In any case, the doctors stress that if a child has a persistent fever, sometimes accompanied by vomiting and diarrhoea, parents should contact their family doctor.

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From The Guardian/UK

More cases of rare syndrome in children reported globally

Nearly 100 cases of the unusual illness linked to Covid-19 have emerged in at least six countries

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There are around 100 cases reported worldwide.

 

[Aaronrules380]

What is happening with this virus that this is just now showing in children?

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I'm guessing this isn't a direct result of the virus itself, and more the virus causing something that makes kids more susceptible to something else given that while all of them had COVID at some point, not all of them currently tested positive for having it

 

[Foot]

God, it NEVER ENDS.

 

[darkwing]

don't worry guys it's just a very very small percentage

yeah right

 

[808s & Villainy]

What is happening with this virus that this is just now showing in children?

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Nothing. The virus isn't showing up in kids and these aren't symptoms of the virus. These are syndromes that might be caused from kids previously having the virus or being exposed to someone who had i

 

[Bear]

It is insane to me how little we know about the virus still. First the blue toes and now this.

 

[Bad_Boy]

This is how that naughty dog game starts isnt it

 

[maxxpower]

Most of these weird reactions are just people's immune systems fucking them up due to dealing with a novel virus. But sure, let's open everything up and get everyone sick.

 

[Deleted member 36054]

15 out of 2 million kids.

 

[Vex]

The Earth is trying to kill us, eh?

 

[Jmdajr]

Hopefully just an anomaly.....

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[Sho_Nuff82]

This is adjacent and perhaps related to the previous reports of young people (20-40) suddenly dying of strokes in NYC.

Stroke surge
Reports of strokes in the young and middle-aged — not just at Mount Sinai, but also in many other hospitals in communities hit hard by the novel coronavirus — are the latest twist in our evolving understanding of the disease it causes. The numbers of those affected are small but nonetheless remarkable because they challenge how doctors understand the virus. Even as it has infected nearly 2.8 million people worldwide and killed about 195,000 as of Friday, its biological mechanisms continue to elude top scientific minds. Once thought to be a pathogen that primarily attacks the lungs, it has turned out to be a much more formidable foe — impacting nearly every major organ system in the body.

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Zucker, the state health commissioner, was asked last week about reports of toxic shock in younger patients. He responded that officials were aware that the virus attacks different organs, including the lining of blood vessels, something some doctors believe may be contributing to blood clots in some coronavirus patients.
"What we have been seeing is that there are some children who may have an inflammation of those blood vessels, and are developing a toxic-shock-like syndrome," he said, adding that he had spoken to number of hospital directors about a small number of cases.

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The lungs are the primary way the virus has proven to be fatal, but inflammatory response varies widely across the population, as does susceptibility to heart, liver, and kidney fibrosis.

Given that we still haven't accounted for a huge chunk of the "death spike" that occurred simultaneously with the outbreak in the US, it's naive for us to open everything back up assuming we know all there is to know about exposure.

 

[Chopin the Third]

Jesus, it's always another new something that pops up. I hope all these kids recover.

 

[Sign My Guestbook!]

We still have so much to learn about this damn thing.

 

[Deleted member 21709]

Please stay home everyone.

 

[infinitebento]

okay so 2 years of this at least

 

[linkboy]

The Earth is trying to kill us, eh?

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More like slap us upside the back of the head for being fucking stupid.

If there's one lesson humanity has a hard time learning, it's that we're not separate from nature.

Every living thing on this planet is connected. From the single blade of grass to the blue whale.

Humanity keeps thinking that we're above everything because of our intellectual abilities, when in actuality, we're just another animal with higher cognitive skills.

Humanity has survived worse,and this won't be the last global pandemic. The question is what lessons will we learn from it.

The way things are looking, that doesn't look to good.

Back to the topic though, I really hope these kids are ok.

It's going to be really interesting (from a scientific perspective) once we start to fully understand this virus and the how the body reacts to it.

 

[Top NHST Product]

This is one of the reasons why the urge by some to throw kids back into school so that we could in turn throw their parents and caregivers back into work is poorly thought out. The virus is too new for us to have an in depth understanding of it and it's effects on the body after recovery.

If it turns out this can be attributable to the virus, while we still might not see a massive uptick in deaths in children, there could still be a increased risk for unneeded health problems down the line. Especially those children put on ventilators.

 

[Chirotera]

15 out of 2 million kids.

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That we know of.

 

[demondance]

15 out of 2 million kids.

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What's your point? Seriously, think it through, what are you saying? This just ends here? These 15 are it?

Might as well apply this line of thinking to the spread of the virus itself. "15 cases. in the entire united states. who cares" At one point that was true, not that long ago.

 

[Cilidra]

We still don't know long term complications of this virus.

In cats, a Corona virus (not same one) can cause a inflammation disease 4 to 8 months after the cat recovered from the initial ( mild) infection (FIP). That inflammatory disease only occurs in 5 to 15% of the cases. In cats that secondary disease is pretty much 100% fatal.

Hopefully this won't occurs with this virus but we still don't know what can happen.

 

[Deleted member 36054]

What's your point? Seriously, think it through, what are you saying? This just ends here? These 15 are it?

Might as well apply this line of thinking to the spread of the virus itself. "15 cases. in the entire united states. who cares" At one point that was true, not that long ago.

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My point is you can't jump to conclusions either way. People are in this thread freaking out. Fear mongerers and deniers are both annoying in a time like this.

 

[JohnsonUT]

15 out of 2 million kids.

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"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

 

[Crimsonskies]

We still don't know long term complications of this virus.

In cats, a Corona virus (not same one) can cause a inflammation disease 4 to 8 months after the cat recovered from the initial ( mild) infection (FIP). That inflammatory disease only occurs in 5 to 15% of the cases. In cats that secondary disease is pretty much 100% fatal.

Hopefully this won't occurs with this virus but we still don't know what can happen.

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Werent there reports of recovered corona patients were their immune system ability to function had been lowered after fighting off the virus ?

And also my question is what happens if current Covid19 virus mutates into a strain that is even more dangerous.

 

[Wackamole]

If this is worldwide and covid related than this is a gamechanger.