Yakuza: Like a Dragon (high framerate mode) - 1440p/60FPS Series X == 900p/60FPS Series S via Dragon Engine

AppleBlade · Oct 12, 2020

This is from the Series X subreddit but I thought it was interesting and wanted to share. So Yakuza Like A Dragon when running at 30fps renders in 4k on XSX and 1440p on XSS which is exactly what Microsoft told us.

However, what I though was more interesting was when running at 60fps on XSX it renders at 1440p but at that same frame rate it renders at 900p on the XSS. I've seen a few people wonder out loud what the Series S would do when a game was so graphically demanding that it needed to render at 1440p on the Series X, well it looks like we have our first glimpse at the outcome, A 900p resolution. Personally given the affordable nature of the machine I think this is fine but Reddit is not too happy about that. Hopefully the trend of having settings continues because I'm sure some would prefer 1440p30 over 900p60 (depending on the game).

Theswweet · Oct 12, 2020

I feel like it's important information to note that games like Yakuza Kiwami 2 ran at 1080p/30 FPS on PS4 Pro... 900p/60 isn't too strange considering the Series S's specs, honestly. It's all about context.

delete · Oct 12, 2020

well they did market the Series S as a 1440p and/or 120fps machine, 900p 60fps is obviously far from meeting the expectations that they set.

Kami · Oct 12, 2020

1440p 60 on the Series X is a bit disappointing. But I'll mark that down to it being a cross-generational game.

DukeBlueBall · Oct 12, 2020

delete said:
well they did market the Series S as a 1440p and/or 120fps machine, 900p 60fps is obviously far from meeting the expectations that they set.

Anyone who plays PC games know that 1440p and 120fps is not in the realm of possibility for the Xss.

Okami. said:
1440p 60 on the Series X is a bit disappointing. But I'll mark that down to it being a cross-generational game.

The 2080 TI can't 4k60 locked on Yakuza Kawami. It's a demanding game series graphically.

jetsetrez · Oct 12, 2020

Theswweet said:
I feel like it's important information to note that games like Yakuza Kiwami 2 ran at 1080p/30 FPS on PS4 Pro... 900p/60 isn't too strange considering the Series S's specs, honestly. It's all about context.

That context doesn't really make this seem any better. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I feel like these new systems shouldn't have trouble doing something like Yakuza at *least* 1080p/60, and with how hard they're promoting 4k that should really be the expectation of the consumer.

SharpX68K · Oct 12, 2020

Series S was a mistake. We will see lots and lots of games having to be scaled down to 720p on Series S this gen.

Mifune · Oct 12, 2020

Not that I don't trust the fine folks on Reddit but I'll wait for Digital Foundry to weigh in before freaking out. Too much bad tech info from respected sources today alone.

Also remember this is just a preview build.

Seaman · Oct 12, 2020

Yakuza Like a Dragon is far from what most would consider a graphically demanding game, based on the media out there so far. It's not like the game is using a lot of new technologies in its rendering pipeline just from simple observation.

SRTtoZ · Oct 12, 2020

Does this have to do with the ram you think?

Eeyore · Oct 12, 2020

delete said:
well they did market the Series S as a 1440p and/or 120fps machine, 900p 60fps is obviously far from meeting the expectations that they set.

No one that's informed thought it did 1440p at 120 fps without serious caveats.

Teamocil · Oct 12, 2020

I'm sure this thread will be full of level headed discussions

Kabuki Waq · Oct 12, 2020

Has to be Cross Gen effect as the game really does not look that great technically to me.

Mullet2000 · Oct 12, 2020

Theswweet said:
I feel like it's important information to note that games like Yakuza Kiwami 2 ran at 1080p/30 FPS on PS4 Pro... 900p/60 isn't too strange considering the Series S's specs, honestly. It's all about context.

Yeah this. My 2070 Super can just barely hit 1440p/60 in Kiwami 2. Dragon engine is demanding.

DukeBlueBall · Oct 12, 2020

Seaman said:
Yakuza Like a Dragon is far from what most would consider a graphically demanding game, based on the media out there so far. It's not like the game is using a lot of new technologies in its rendering pipeline just from simple observation.

The Yakuza series is pretty demanding at 4k.

Beer Monkey · Oct 12, 2020

Yeah, don't go buying an S thinking every game can hit 60fps at 1080p.

Theswweet · Oct 12, 2020

jetsetrez said:
That context doesn't really make this seem any better. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I feel like these new systems shouldn't have trouble doing something like Yakuza at *least* 1080p/60, and with how hard they're promoting 4k that should really be the expectation of the consumer.

...the Series S is a budget console. PS4 Pro could only handle 1080p/30, it's not too shocking that the Series S wouldn't be able to manage 1080p/60 all things considered. Either way it's more a Yakuza problem than a Series S problem.

YozoraXV · Oct 12, 2020

Sounds about right considering the performance on the XSX. If it was 4K 60fps on XSX it will likely be 1080p 60fps on XSS.

The only people I see who are concerned about it are people who had no interest in Xbox to begin with.

JoJoBae · Oct 12, 2020

SharpX68K said:
Series S was a mistake. We will see lots and lots of games having to be scaled down to 720p on Series S this gen.

Yeah we will but it really isn't as much of a problem as you're trying to make out. It happened on the XB1 this gen as well. Good thing we don't need to wait 4 years to get the premium system this time around. Plus the market for the Series S doesn't really care, just like they don't really care currently on the XB1S.

Uzupedro · Oct 12, 2020

Why is this game so demanding?
Is it something weird with the engine?

ghostcrew · Oct 12, 2020

To make the splits that OP is talking about clear, Yakuza 7 seems to run at the following settings:

Series X: 4K/30, 1440p/60
Series S: 1440p/30, 900p/60
PS4 Pro: 1080p/30
PS4: 900p/30

Assuming the Xbox One consoles will be the same as the PS4 versions (ie 1080p and 900p, neither with 60fps modes) based on Kiwami 2.

FGLS1992 · Oct 12, 2020

Makes totally sense and everyone staying otherwise is overreacting for obvious reasons. RGG Studio is not very known for squeezing the most out of a console.

Meg Cherry · Oct 12, 2020

delete said:
well they did market the Series S as a 1440p and/or 120fps machine, 900p 60fps is obviously far from meeting the expectations that they set.

... At what point were they saying this was going to run most games at 1440p/60?

cyrribrae · Oct 12, 2020

People really underestimating how heavy Yakuza runs? o.o You can call it not graphically impressive - it still runs heavy. It's a perennially poorly optimized open world game. The game hits 1440p on Series S. That's not bad, considering people doubted games would rarely if ever get about 1080p. I'd be concerned that they were lying to me if they couldn't hit 1080/30.

If you're disappointed, that's fine. But there's nothing surprising or even really that concerning here.

NippleViking · Oct 12, 2020

Man, only online would I see people disappointed with 1440@30/900@60 for a next-gen open world* game on a $299 console.

Seaman · Oct 12, 2020

DukeBlueBall said:
The 2080 TI can't 4k60 locked on Yakuza Kawami. It's a demanding game series graphically.

The game came out already?

DukeBlueBall said:
The Yakuza series is pretty demanding at 4k.

I understand and Kawami doesn't look bad but I would say the game's not optimized as much as it could be then, because just compare it to Red Dead Redemption 2, any of the Call of Duty games or many others like Horizon, Gears of War 5, etc and tell me which of those games look worse or is not doing much more in terms of graphic technology and pushing the boundaries yet they all run great even on consoles.

DukeBlueBall · Oct 12, 2020

ghostcrew said:
To make the splits that OP is talking about clear, Yakuza 7 seems to run at the following settings:

Series X: 4K/30, 1440p/60
Series S: 1440p/30, 900p/60
PS4 Pro: 1080p/30
PS4: 900p/30

Assuming the Xbox One consoles will be the same as the PS4 versions (ie 1080p and 900p, neither with 60fps modes) based on Kiwami 2.

1x ran at 1080p30 too

strata · Oct 12, 2020

This is not really surprising, and what should be expected going forwards.

The Series S has 1/3 of the power of the Series X, and 900p is around 1/3 of the resolution of 1440p. It's more surprising that the S manages to render at 1440p in a game that runs at 4K on the X.

Ambient · Oct 12, 2020

Fuck I'm getting a Series S but I'm worried about how it will be performing come 2022 when real exclusives start hitting.

jetsetrez · Oct 12, 2020

Theswweet said:
...the Series S is a budget console. PS4 Pro could only handle 1080p/30, it's not too shocking that the Series S wouldn't be able to manage 1080p/60 all things considered. Either way it's more a Yakuza problem than a Series S problem.

The Series S is coming out four years after the PS4 Pro. I'm sorry, but if we're supposed to expect performance on par with a four year old system with something that is coming out now and expected to hold up for several years, that seems like a bad product to me.

cvbas · Oct 12, 2020

I know the Series S is a budget console, but 1080/60 should really be the baseline for something that's supposedly "next-gen". Especially in a cross-gen game.

AppleBlade · Oct 12, 2020

YozoraXV said:
Sounds about right considering the performance on the XSX. If it was 4K 60fps on XSX it will likely be 1080p 60fps on XSS.

The only people I see who are concerned about it are people who had no interest in Xbox to begin with.

If anything you're being conservative because at the same frame rate that the Series X runs Yakuza at 4k, the Series S does it at 1440p. However, I agree with you this is not the issue that I know the "concerned" citizens will make it out to be. I almost regret making this post because I see where things are going. I personally was happy with the news because I was just worried that 1440 XSX would need to run at 720p. I'm cool with 900p if it's a game that I really want that 60fps for. I mean the Series S is cheaper than the high end LAST gen consoles. I almost had enough to buy it by just selling my used PS4 pro. I'm cool with this.

RedBullRB6 · Oct 12, 2020

I don't even understand why that is an issue. The people who are going to buy Series S clearly have other priorities than the highest resolution possible. If they did they would buy Series X. Yeah okay some hardcore gamers will buy it as an ADDITIONAL gamepass machine, but even they know what they are signing up for. The outrage about this is completely made up by people who are not even close to the target audience.

DukeBlueBall · Oct 12, 2020

jetsetrez said:
The Series S is coming out four years after the PS4 Pro. I'm sorry, but if we're supposed to expect performance on par with a four year old system with something that is coming out now and expected to hold up for several years, that seems like a bad product to me.

1440p30 is on par with 1080p30?

It's a 78% increase in pixels.

No to mention that the game make no use of RDNA 2 tech.

delete · Oct 12, 2020

Mushroomer25 said:
... At what point were they saying this was going to run most games at 1440p/60?

I never said that they did, just they said it was a machine capable of 1440p or 120fps. When people hear that I doubt they would infer that a game would have a settings to run at 900p and 60fps.

ghostcrew · Oct 12, 2020

Ambient said:
Fuck I'm getting a Series S but I'm worried about how it will be performing come 2022 when real exclusives start hitting.

Yakuza games are terribly optimised. Don't worry.

Kiwami 2 runs at 1080p/30 on Xbox One X. Games like Gears 5 and DMCV manage 4K/60 on the same console and look about 25 times more advanced.

Shark · Oct 12, 2020

Uzupedro said:
Why is this game so demanding?
Is it something weird with the engine?

I think it's less about being demanding and more about being a cross gen game at the start of a new generation that isn't best positioned to take advantage of the XSX power.

IceBear · Oct 12, 2020

IMO the resolution hit is so not worth it just to attain 60fps, especially when this game is now a turn based rpg.

tulpa · Oct 12, 2020

Theswweet said:
...the Series S is a budget console. PS4 Pro could only handle 1080p/30, it's not too shocking that the Series S wouldn't be able to manage 1080p/60 all things considered. Either way it's more a Yakuza problem than a Series S problem.

Uzupedro said:
Why is this game so demanding?
Is it something weird with the engine?

yeah Dragon Engine is a combo of being not particularly well-optimized (according to Kalaiden, the PC modder whose popular PC mods really helped with K2 on PC, it's a bit of a mess?) and weirdly demanding for its graphical features. no one should expect this to be the norm, Yakuza's Dragon Engine games are just super demanding and already abnormally low-res on current gen platforms

castaction · Oct 12, 2020

NippleViking said:
Man, only online would I see people disappointed with 1440@30/900@60 for a next-gen open world* game on a $299 console.

Lol so true im getting a series s and im happy with 900p 60fps

Xx 720 · Oct 12, 2020

delete said:
well they did market the Series S as a 1440p and/or 120fps machine, 900p 60fps is obviously far from meeting the expectations that they set.

When running Demon's Souls at 60fps it's 1440p, and it's fantastic looking. It's all about context, I'm glad to see console games getting options for resolution and framerate. Personally, as a turn based game, I don't think Yakuza really benefits much from a higher fps, 4K 30 for me.

platocplx · Oct 12, 2020

Beer Monkey said:
Yeah, don't go buying an S thinking every game can hit 60fps at 1080p.

Yeah that System def seems to be made to prioritize frame rate over resolution. Pretty much what you can expect esp when the higher end systems are hitting 1440p.

Trup1aya · Oct 12, 2020

SharpX68K said:
Series S was a mistake. We will see lots and lots of games having to be scaled down to 720p on Series S this gen.

So what? I can't see the problem of a $300 console upscaling from 720p on graphically intensive games.

TheZynster · Oct 12, 2020

Eh, for a turn based game do you really need 60fps? I'm pretty sure you could do some magic and have the UI run at 60fps while the game renders at 30.

Roldan · Oct 12, 2020

let the drama begin

jett · Oct 12, 2020

DukeBlueBall said:
The Yakuza series is pretty demanding at 4k.

Not quite. If I had to guess that video also has the game running with in-game supersampling mindlessly turned all the way up, coupled with 4K.

edit: bruh SSAA is set at 8X. It's running at an insane internal resolution.

Games like Yakuza 0 and Kiwami 1 can run on toasters. The Dragon engine though, used in Yakuza 6, Kiwami 2 and Like a Dragon is pretty demanding, or rather pretty unoptimized.

delete · Oct 12, 2020

Trup1aya said:
So what?

It's a downgrade compared to last gen?

Deleted member 15973 · Oct 12, 2020

If the Pro is 1080p then it should be able to do 1080p60 since the CPU is 2x one x right?

bruhaha · Oct 12, 2020

ghostcrew said:
To make the splits that OP is talking about clear, Yakuza 7 seems to run at the following settings:

Series X: 4K/30, 1440p/60
Series S: 1440p/30, 900p/60
PS4 Pro: 1080p/30
PS4: 900p/30

Assuming the Xbox One consoles will be the same as the PS4 versions (ie 1080p and 900p, neither with 60fps modes) based on Kiwami 2.

Series S is much more than 2x the power of base PS4 and should be able to run a higher resolution at just 2x framerate. 1440p is also less than 2x pixels compared to 900p, so 1440/30 doesn't make sense either. Are the textures/effects much better?

MekaMachine · Oct 12, 2020

DukeBlueBall said:
1440p30 is on par with 1080p30?

It's a 78% increase in pixels.

No to mention that the game make no use of RDNA 2 tech.

That's not how this works, it's BC games that don't use RDNA2 not cross gen games

Yakuza: Like a Dragon (high framerate mode) - 1440p/60FPS Series X == 900p/60FPS Series S via Dragon Engine

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