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He Posed as a Doctor at 18. Now He’s Going to Prison.
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13-year-old teen accepted to University of Alabama School of Medicine
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If they have the degree then I don't care about their age.
I trust the system enough to not place a jackshit moron in charge of my life.
I trust the system enough to not place a jackshit moron in charge of my life.
Why?
I can understand some grey areas of age-gating aspects of jobs/media/experience or whatever but in terms of a medical career shouldn't it just be a case of education and first-hand experience being the barrier of entry?
If someone is 23 and had the exact same educational, and same career-experience path as someone who is say 33 why would you refuse treatment or the opinion of the younger person?
No one is saying this 13-year-old should be allowed short-cuts and will be bound to same regulatory practice times and such before qualification as any other Doctor. Getting into Med School at 13 doesn't mean they'll be a fully autonomous physician at 15; that obviously would be insane.
There's generally a correlation between maturity, educational preparation and such between steps but humans aren't a singular homogeneous species so there are bound to be exceptions. Let the outliers proceed.
I would imagine experience in practicing medicine is pretty valuable on top of the degree.
If you asked me to choose between two trained surgeons and one had done the procedure successfully 100 times and the other 5, it would be an easy choice.
Eh as a physician this is a bad idea. Medicine is much more than book-smarts. The emotional maturity needed to handle things like end of life care isn't something that one gains just by being in school- it's something that comes from living life and maturing independently. I was one of the youngest people in my med school class- I definitely had a lot of work to do relative to those in my class that had prior careers before a school.
This is a feel good story but I think it's a horrible idea. I have seen lack of maturity from many who went through accelerated BA/MD programs where their training was shortened by 1-2 years. This wouldn't fly up here in the Northeast.,
This is a feel good story but I think it's a horrible idea. I have seen lack of maturity from many who went through accelerated BA/MD programs where their training was shortened by 1-2 years. This wouldn't fly up here in the Northeast.,
the 4 extra hours my friend's 9 month old sleeps is less time he is putting in on solos on Fortnite or climbing the ladder in LoL. He can hold a bottle, he can hold a Razer mouse
What?
Mozart was a child prodigy.
Terence Tao is one of the most celebrated mathematicians nowadays, and he started attending college at age 9.
There are many many more examples...
I teach at a uni and I have had several students that started earlier (15 to 17). They are usually out of place and not able to fully cope emotionally. Also, they are not prepared to deal with their more "mature" peers.
Oh well obviously if given the choice between someone new or someone experienced you were going to choose someone experienced, but every surgeon and doctor on the planet had a first surgery and a first patient.
So the question is would you be comfortable being the first of either and given the rigorous training required I would be.
Absolutely not, I don't care how smart she is, 17 year olds are immature.
I feel like this is robbing her of her childhood. I'd never let my kid do this
what if she changes her mind about medical school? I changed my mind about careers a ton of times throughout my teenage years. she won't be able to make friends or really get any of the non-academic experiences you get out of high school and university
not to mention this is just too much pressure for a 13 year old
what if she changes her mind about medical school? I changed my mind about careers a ton of times throughout my teenage years. she won't be able to make friends or really get any of the non-academic experiences you get out of high school and university
not to mention this is just too much pressure for a 13 year old
She's still doing undergrad at ASU.
She hopes to start medical school in 2024, so she could be 15-16 when she starts if she even decides to go.
I'm sure she will get more offers and choices in the next two years.
The headline is a little clickbaity, she just accepted a future offer - she's not attending med school in the fall.
This. I've had a lot of contact with students doing combined MD and undergrad programs. They're often 22-23 when the graduate. Theyre commonly known as being way immature compared to their peers, even with just a few year difference.
It would be extremely rare to have someone her age handle speaking and connecting with patients well, delivering bad news etc.
This is a great story, and good for her. I feel like there are SO many kids out there who would benefit from skipping a grade or two and getting to more challenging things earlier. I wish the US educational system was built for that - and that this wasn't the exception rather than the rule. Some kids know what they want at a young age - we shouldn't deprive them of that. Some kids are well equipped to do it. We need more stories like this. The youth are always what drives the best change.
no, explain to me exactly how this is a "gift"?
a gift seems to imply they were somehow chosen to receive a neurological present somehow, And we know that's not correct.
id love to know how you falsely think that works, unless of course you mean being lucky enough to be brought up in an environment that favours academic achievement - that must I can buy.
in the field of medicine experience counts. It's not all about learning stuff, it's hard work and it takes sacrifice and emotional maturity. children should not be subjected to this. By all means academically learn, but they should wait to practice. It's too much at this age.
It's great from a child genius POV, a great show of talent, but I have no idea if it's actually a good thing for the person itself.
As someone who's an attending physician, I agree with all this.
It's a rough and long journey, from med school to residency and to fellowship (if applicable), and it's filled with a LOT of personal sacrifices that you likely need to make in order to get through it. I would've hated to rush into that whole process and miss out on a ton of things in my childhood, if I was in this person's situation.
This is an excellent point that a lot of people may overlook
That emotional maturity is a huge component in our field, and to me, it's just as important as the knowledge component
Firstly..
Congratulations! Seriously med school is hard as fuck to get into so congratulations, that's not sarcasm.
Secondly as someone who is in his 40s now, I do prefer a doctor in their 30s-50s
It feels any older than that and they get stuck in their ways and they don't learn about new procedures, medications, Etc.
You really can't force it, the stars have to align. Many children could, but those same many will not because the stars really have to align. It's something only a few can do.
I'd say it's less a gift than having the right people around you to nurture the child's natural talents and guiding them along the way. No man is an island and no child prodigy got there on their own.