I thought that was part of it too tbh. Or at least a good side effect of all the romance.I thought the reason for those motivations was so that when they left the pods, they would pair up and repopulate the species?
I find it funny how Natsuno react when Yuki say her daugther look like her lmao
Who more is implied to have children? Ogata and Tomi too?
I don't think you two know what shipping actually is. 😅 A shipper's paradise this game is not. Pretty much every couple is obvious from the beginning, barring Ogata and Kisaragi. There's never any tension about who is going to end up with who. (Except a bit of dialogue teasing Fuyusaka being attracted to Takamiya.)
I can't even imagine how this could be half of the original idea. Of course some concepts were a bit underdeveloped compared to others, but it's already huge as it is.Only some characters had events that detail which number sentinel they pilot and why but there were originally plans to do all the characters. When it was decided to reduce the size of the scenario by half, they decided to focus on the mysteries of the world and had to cut things that weren't directly connected to the character's endings.
That is correct.Maybe a dumb question but to be sure, the original 15 clones/candidates/"compatible" boys & girls the game refers to are the 13 we are playing in the curent loop, adding Tsukasa Okino and Tamao Kurabe but we don't get to play them, probably because they don't end up having access to a sentinel right?
Considering other characters like Juro Izumi, Chihiro Morimura or Tetsuya Ida just got new identitites in the current loop (respectively Juro Kurabe, Iori Fuyusaka and Shu Amiguchi) so they count as 1.
But there are effectively 15 real human bodies in the capsules opening on the new Earth/RS13 Alpha right?
To summarize, there are the 15 boys & girls, but only 13 sentinels which is what the title refers to?
Oh yeah, that Youtube channel posting the plot synopsis posted Part 4 a few hours back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydeA5t9wxzk.
The characters are all so great.Finished the game last night, I don't think I have ever laughed as long as I did when Ogata reunited with Wajima in the simulation, lmao
It really explains why a number of important events and details happen offscreen.I was catching up on this and the OT, and this quote from one of the interview is pretty crazy to me:
I can't even imagine how this could be half of the original idea. Of course some concepts were a bit underdeveloped compared to others, but it's already huge as it is.
Most probably that plot point had more importance in scenes that were cut. Oddly enough, the OST case for the game has actual art for him.Pushed through to finish the game last night. Overall just a masterpiece of storytelling. I would love to learn more about how they just managed to design this story. It's an incredible achievement.
My only complaint is that the ending is a little too happy for me. Ida getting a happy ending? Ida is a fucking creep.
It was really weird that they introduced Papa Ogata in a log, make him out to be the main bad guy manipulating the Professor... and then we never hear about him again? What happened to his AI?
Enjoy poring over the Mystery Files and looking through the Event Viewer with newfound understanding.And I'm done! I need to sit down and scroll through the analysis section. Thankfully knowing no actual time travel is involved makes a chronology a lot easier to understand lmao, even if there's still a shittonne of loops needed.
Wasn't expecting to cry at the ending but when the pop song hit the tears started welling lmao. Didn't help I failed the final mission four times on intense and was about to blow a fuse out of rage lol
Enjoy poring over the Mystery Files and looking through the Event Viewer with newfound understanding.
And don't forget to watch the extra scene that unlocked. It's the last event under All Events in the Event Viewer.
Question: Archive 006 is when Ida (2188) makes a log to Gouto (2188) and notes that Izumi (2188) modified the settings for the 'final phase' to modify Chihiro's memory. Anyone know what this is about? I can't connect it with anything specific off the top of my head (least of all why Izumi (2188) has any connection with Morimura (2188))
Izumi and Morimura 2188 are lovers too and lives at Sector 1 even tho Morimura denied itQuestion: Archive 006 is when Ida (2188) makes a log to Gouto (2188) and notes that Izumi (2188) modified the settings for the 'final phase' to modify Chihiro's memory. Anyone know what this is about? I can't connect it with anything specific off the top of my head (least of all why Izumi (2188) has any connection with Morimura (2188))
Izumi and Morimura 2188 are lovers too and lives at Sector 1 even tho Morimura denied it
I can't remember if all morimura got that memory mod what is it for exactly.. hopefully someone remembers it better than we didRight, but what is the memory modification in 'final phase' that he did? And final phase... of the probe/colonisation project? Isn't the 18-year 'simulated growth' project the final phase? So do all Virtual incarnations of Morimura have the memory mod that Izumi2188 put in?
I'm making the excel spreadsheet version of chronology btw lol mainly for my own edification
Right, but what is the memory modification in 'final phase' that he did? And final phase... of the probe/colonisation project? Isn't the 18-year 'simulated growth' project the final phase? So do all Virtual incarnations of Morimura have the memory mod that Izumi2188 put in?
I'm making the excel spreadsheet version of chronology btw lol mainly for my own edification
Izumi2188 set it up so that the Morimura clone would get her memories overwritten once she reached 18 year of age, coinciding with the planned end of the simulation.
Since the simulation has always been reset while the protagonists were at around 16 years old, this never came to be.
That's why it is in the interest of the small Chihiro that the protagonists lose against the kaiju. She has in the meantime fixed the code, so the next loop would've executed without issues (i.e., no Kaijus will appear), allowing the Morimura clone to reach 18 years of age and the memory overwriting to occur as originally planned. However, the actions of the protags in the final battle lead to a triggering of an emergency abort procedure, allowing them to exit the simulation at 16 years old and thus bypassing the memory overwrite.
The other Morimuras are all AI and are not affected by this.
I alas don't have my copy installed on my PS5, and am now months away from my playthrough, but the Nurse Morimura is still 2L ago Morimura - having been backed up to Sector 0, she spawns into the current loop completely unaware of 1L ago, because she had not rebacked up her data. Ida, who was sent to Sector 0 (not 1), respawns into this loop and meets her because having not been backed up, she spawns where she did last time, but oblivious to everything after her and Izumi performed their first backup. This is why it's fairly easy for Ida to manipulate her with false accusations about Izumi "bombing" the other kids that he turns into AI/androids.Finished the game. There's only one discrepancy I can't seem to clear up. There seems to be one Morimura too many.
The in-game wiki says the Morimura of one loop ago got shot by the Izumi of two loops ago in that one scene where he shot all the kids. After, when they lose the final battle in Sector 4 one loop ago, two-loops-ago Morimura sends Ida to Sector 1 as the final loop is starting where he rescues a teenaged Morimura who presumably becomes the current adult Morimura. Where did she come from? And in fact, how did Fuyusaka end up in Sector 4 to begin with?
I'd assumed one-loop-ago Morimura survived the previous loop to become current adult Morimura in the final loop but the game has her presumably dying at the hands of 426. And how did that other teenaged Morimura -- who actually does become the current adult Morimura, end up on that bridge in 2089? The same way two-loops-ago Morimura did?
My initial conclusion was the same as yours. The signal thing makes the ship seem to reside in the physical world. But then how did AI Tomi emergency shift into it in the first place?
And I understand the reasoning behind constructing 5 cities of different eras, especially if it's for preserving the human tapestry. But I don't get why the simulation rendered stuff like the spooky cybernetic tunnel that Amiguchi finds.
Yes!! Precisely!! But reconstructed Morimura kills this version of Juro. See: Bridgetop Standoff event. I explain below how this fits into the timeline.
Ah, I spent the longest time untangling this exact question. The important piece of the puzzle is keeping track of the save states in Sector 0. 2LMorimura does not grow up with 426 one loop ago. They are reconstructed as the ages they were when they were saved into Sector 0. (see: The Two Survive event). At some point after they grow up in one loop ago, 426 overwrites his save state with his adult 426 memories. Then sometime after that, 2LMorimura kills 426 and then sacrifices herself to save 1LIda, who then meets a reconstruction of 2LMorimura in our current loop. Let's call her 2LMorimuraR.
Here is the only "inconsistency". The event shows 1LIda getting shifted from his Sentinel. The next chronological event, he and his sentinel appear on Sumire Bridge in our current loop, but we know this is not how Sector 0 reconstruction works. You could claim there is a missing scene in between where 1LIda is reconstructed in current loop, finds his sentinel and shifts to the correct sector, maybe.
Anyway. 1LIda meets 2LMorimuraR in our current loop, but she's 2LMorimuraR without having experienced anything that happened one loop ago since that was not saved into Sector 0. He tells her what happened one loop ago, including the lie that 426 killed everyone (instead of only a subset of everyone). So now in our current loop, there exists Iori being her own natural-born identity, 2LMorimura, 1Lida, and Shu Amiguchi being his natural-born identity.
2LMorimoraR confronts 426R (because he overwrote his save state with his adult memory in a different event) in our current loop. She kills him because of what 1LIda said and has regretted it since. However, 1LIda was able to extract 426R's memory from Sector 0 and transplant it into an android. Thus kicks off 426R's journey through various androids and people. So at the end of the game, when they finally meet, it is 426R who had grown up (teen -> adult) with 2LMorimura in one loop ago. And it is 2LMorimuraR who only remembers growing up (child -> teen) with 426 in two loops ago. So while the love on one side is more matured, they both do indeed love each other. It's kinda sweet.
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As for Chibimura. 2LMorimuraR wants to have Sentinel compatibility. She both tries to inject her memory into current loop Iori, as well as clones herself to inject her memories that way. So this sense, the physical entity of Chibimura is wholly unique to current loop. However, upon finishing the clone, 2LMorimuraR tries to transplant her save state from Sector 0, but instead transplants 2188Morimura instead (assume 2188 had the OG Morimura folder in the computer directory lol), which I think was mentioned that UC does not generate AI for admins like 2188Morimura's save state.
Whew what a ride.
I guess this makes sense.Ok here's the timeline I see
Loop 1 starts scene 9
-Juro and Chihiro get sent to Sector 0 backed up.
--So Sector 0 currently has saves of Loop 1 Juro and Chihiro
Loop 2 starts scene 11
-This is the loop Juro "kills" a bunch and becomes 426, Juro backed up his data during this loop before killing people he states in Scene 19
-Chihiro doesn't make it to save herself but Saves Loop 2 Ida
--Sector 0 currently has saves of Loop 1 Chihiro, Loop 2 updated Juro, and Loop 2 Ida
Loop 3(current loop) starts scene 17
-Chihiro is at that bridge and based on her dialogue it def is Loop 1 Chihiro from the save data, check that scene again. Loop 2 Ida shows up. Loop 2 updated Juro is somewhere and this is 32 year old Juro
-Loop 2 updated Juro is killed in Scene 19, also at most 40 years old at this point, that's not that old and could still look pretty similar
-Ida pulls up the backup Loop 2 Juro from Sector 0 in scene 22 and that starts the chain that android Juro Izumi goes through
Does this make sense?
I might need to go back and check, but it sounded like she was actually about to turn him down in that early scene before the first time they uploaded to Sector 0.Damn you guys are right, I forgot about the bridge scene and that 426 was basically killed twice, that explains and strongly supports the idea that current loop Morimura had her original loop memories of Izumi and would still love him.
Man this game is something else.
Yeah this is it. There's the scene where Ida's called out on lying about it to Morimura, too, explaining that they both knew he would do it given the chance. Kisaragi, Tamao, Miura, and Hijiyama (cut content sadly) were all phase shifted in their tank thing but were dead by the time they shifted, which is why only their consciousnesses were able to be saved to Sector 0.During 1 Loop Ago (1LA) when Izumi (2LA) kills a number of the children - does he actually kill them (I forget whose dreams Shu is having, I assume Ida's) or is he trying to shift them when an explosion occurs and Ida just blames him for it? Or is that an entirely seperate incident?
By the time of the first battle in the current loop (2064), a number of candidates from 1LA are present having been saved as sentinel cores including Kisaragi, Tamao, and Miura (and Hijiyama?), but I believe they are absent during the scene where Izumi (2LA) kills the kids. So I lean towards a separate incident that Ida blamed on him.
You must be missing one of the bonus objective mystery files from one of the battles.My analysis is stuck at 99%, I've got S ranks on everything and unlocked all mystery files, my mystery points are converted now. Anyone else have this issue?
I've got a star and S rank on everything. 4th Area Sumire Ward isn't completed but that doesn't matter right?You must be missing one of the bonus objective mystery files from one of the battles.
Question on Chihiro Morimura's (2188) goal: was it to stop Aeigis or to enact it? I sort of lost track. Even after going through the game again, especially Gouto's chapter, I'm still kind of lost. I thought she shot Morimura to prevent Aegis from going ahead.