13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim Spoiler Thread || Mechs, Adventures, and... Yakisoba-pan?

[Chaos2Frozen]

My friend brought up something that I've completely forgotten.

When Megumi first came to the Kurabe's house, she hugged Juro and said "It's been 40 years..."

What the hell does that mean 0_o ? Is it just because it's 40 years from 2025 to 1985? If so that was a weird way to put it.

 

[Hasney]

Why the fuck does no Japanese place here do yakisoba pan. I need it.

 

[Teenage Fansub]

Why the fuck does no Japanese place here do yakisoba pan. I need it.

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Just get an order of Yakisoba and dump it in a roll.

 

[AgeOfZelda]

This was an amazing story with great gameplay to boot! I highly recommend going over everything in chronological order, even if you understand everything: it's just really fun to see everything play out that way and see all the connections that much clearer.

Also, for those who want to understand the plot better, I recently found this video that went into the back story in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89fAxW5e_A
It summarises all the important details from 2188 up to the start of the main timeline. The production values aren't exactly sky high and it glosses over some details I assume will be brought up when they're more relevant in later parts, but I think it's nice all the same.

 

[ScOULaris]

This was an amazing story with great gameplay to boot! I highly recommend going over everything in chronological order, even if you understand everything: it's just really fun to see everything play out that way and see all the connections that much clearer.

Also, for those who want to understand the plot better, I recently found this video that went into the back story in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89fAxW5e_A
It summarises all the important details from 2188 up to the start of the main timeline. The production values aren't exactly sky high and it glosses over some details I assume will be brought up when they're more relevant in later parts, but I think it's nice all the same.

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That video is pretty great. Looking forward to the others in the series.

 

[ScOULaris]

This Tweet got a chuckle out of me.

 

[fundogmo]

So the new battle ward that opens up post-game. Does it have a set number of stages, or is it endless?

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

So the new battle ward that opens up post-game. Does it have a set number of stages, or is it endless?

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9999

 

[Teenage Fansub]

9999

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How many hours of 13 Sentinels has this person played?!

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

How many hours 13 Sentinels has this person played?!

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I know right? I did a double take as well.

No way they'll make DLC for this game after putting in 9999 waves post game lol

 

[EarlGreyHot]

'And then they all fucked'

The End.

But jokes aside, amazing ending. But I doubt 13 people is enough to build a society with. They talk about bringing simulated people into the real world but they would need DNA for that. Maybe there is more human DNA stored in the facility? Then it would be no problem.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

'And then they all fucked'

The End.

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I'll be honest, that was my exact thoughts as well.

And I'm perfectly happy with it.

But jokes aside, amazing ending. But I doubt 13 people is enough to build a society with. They talk about bringing simulated people into the real world but they would need DNA for that. Maybe there is more human DNA stored in the facility? Then it would be no problem.

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They were talking about manipulating genetic information to do that.

Shinonome-2188 was a genetic engineer researching into that.

 

[Gunny T Highway]

Stolen from Reddit. Basically the last few hours of the game:

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

When I saw Renya requiring 80% from the rest of the cast, I thought to myself this motherfucker must have the secrets to the Universe.

 

[ScOULaris]

Everyone check this out. Someone who can read Japanese gleaned a ton of info from a recent Famitsu interview with Kamitani and shared it in English on Reddit. Some really interesting stuff in here.

Reddit - Dive into anything

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[Chaos2Frozen]

- In the 2064 battle, Okino piloted Sentinel 12, Izumi - 13, Shinonome - 14, Sekigahara - 15, Kisaragi AI - 16, Miura AI - 17, Tamao AI - 18, Hijiyama AI - 19. The first generation sentinels 1 through 11 were controlled remotely by Gouto.

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- The 4 AI created from the previous loop are Kisaragi, Miura, Kurabe Tamao and Hijiyama. They are all loaded onto 3rd gen sentinels.

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1. Was it ever mentioned what happened to Sentinel no. 18? Was it just destroyed?

2. If no. 10 and 11 were originally autopilot, what happened along the way that allowed Ogata and Sekigahara to acquire and pilot them? I'm guessing something to do with Okino?

3. So the 4th Gen Sentinels were created by Okino in secret from Ida/Morimura/Shikishima faction? And he did it.... Somewhere? (edit: wait, that doesn't make sense because Gouto ended up with a Gen4 as well)

 

[Pachinko]

I loved this game so much , big shout out to EZA's review by Ben Moore for pushing me over the edge on grabbing it. 13 sentinels is the perfect example of hundreds of individual elements being solid on their own but mixing together just amazingly well. Just an insane effort to make this all work. Now I just have to replay ... 3 stages I think ? To get the final 2%. It's impressive and a bit sad the platinum trophy is 30% ish , 1/3 buyers did everything in this game but .... it makes me think it didn't sell super well :( anyway , I'm happy it exists.

 

[Deleted member 12555]

Everyone check this out. Someone who can read Japanese gleaned a ton of info from a recent Famitsu interview with Kamitani and shared it in English on Reddit. Some really interesting stuff in here.

Reddit - Dive into anything

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Q. In the sentinel cockpits, the characters are depicted wearing glasses and their hair is styled. Is the interior of the cockpit also a part of the VR environment? Does Universal control keep things consistent?

A. It's the future so the AR technology is highly advanced. Or some reason like that.

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but not advanced enough to depict clothing amirite

- Kamitani wanted to have all characters depicted having exited their pods at the end (like Juro and Yakushiji) but eventually gave up after being told that naked butts all lined up in row would have been pretty lame.

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Why am I not surprised

Interesting tidbits in there, thanks!

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

but not advanced enough to depict clothing amirite

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I honestly think the real reason is something like from play testing they realize characters would be harder to recognize without their facial identity.

Otherwise think about it- The characters wouldn't retain their hair styles either, and at that point it might give away too much.

 

[VZ_Blade]

Pretty cool video of someone soloing the last stage on intense using Shinonome.

 

[Deleted member 12555]

I honestly think the real reason is something like from play testing they realize characters would be harder to recognize without their facial identity.

Otherwise think about it- The characters wouldn't retain their hair styles either, and at that point it might give away too much.

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I was more poking fun at the whole butt nekid thing, I know that you need visual indicators to retain character identity for the duration of the game and most of all, yes, protect the story revelation that comes later on, I'm fine with that.

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Everyone check this out. Someone who can read Japanese gleaned a ton of info from a recent Famitsu interview with Kamitani and shared it in English on Reddit. Some really interesting stuff in here.

Reddit - Dive into anything

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I hope this gets a director's cut for the PS5 and they are able to restore some of the cut content. Though going off another interview, George Kamitani worked himself to the bone getting the game finished. It was probably taxing to the rest of the (small) studio. Since he brought up GrimGrimoire, I'd love to see that get an enhanced port.

 

[Ixian]

Just finished up and thoroughly enjoyed the game - however I'm left with one question about the epilogue. Was there any ever explicit mention of Shinonome & Sekigahara getting cured of the negative effects of DD-426? I know we don't see Sekigahara in the epilogue (they mention that he chose to not get back into the pod) but we see Shinonome in a scene with Gouto and she seems fully recovered? Frustrating that it might have been overlooked.

 

[Deleted member 11008]

Just finished up and thoroughly enjoyed the game - however I'm left with one question about the epilogue. Was there any ever explicit mention of Shinonome & Sekigahara getting cured of the negative effects of DD-426? I know we don't see Sekigahara in the epilogue (they mention that he chose to not get back into the pod) but we see Shinonome in a scene with Gouto and she seems fully recovered? Frustrating that it might have been overlooked.

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She lost the memories. I think it's implied Ei was going to lost his memories too.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Just finished up and thoroughly enjoyed the game - however I'm left with one question about the epilogue. Was there any ever explicit mention of Shinonome & Sekigahara getting cured of the negative effects of DD-426? I know we don't see Sekigahara in the epilogue (they mention that he chose to not get back into the pod) but we see Shinonome in a scene with Gouto and she seems fully recovered? Frustrating that it might have been overlooked.

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There is no cure for DD-426, both Sekigahara and Shinonome had succumb to the full effects of the code and lost their memories.

The difference is that Sekigahara had some of it stored as a back-up with the help of Okino, but unlike Okino he's not using an AI to simulate his personality.

Shinonome lost all of her memories save for what she needed to pilot the Sentinel. She seems better now because she's no longer has crippling head pains and was able to move on with her life.

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Honestly, everything involving DD-426 is confusing and half-baked.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

You know, I would love to draw up a massive Excel sheet to show the timeline of the 13 protagonists story arc throughout the main game. None of the previous loop flashback stuff, just what they're actually going through from prologue to Final Battle.

Something to show at exactly when each arc took place. Because for the longest time I thought they were all happening around the same time but a ton of characters had their adventures WAY before Juro and Megumi even started theirs.

 

[Aaronrules380]

You know, I would love to draw up a massive Excel sheet to show the timeline of the 13 protagonists story arc throughout the main game. None of the previous loop flashback stuff, just what they're actually going through from prologue to Final Battle.

Something to show at exactly when each arc took place. Because for the longest time I thought they were all happening around the same time but a ton of characters had their adventures WAY before Juro and Megumi even started theirs.

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Pretty sure the events list in analysis is in chronological order in the games timeline

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Pretty sure the events list in analysis is in chronological order in the games timeline

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It is, but visually it doesn't identify on the timeline where each character's arc is happening relative to the others. You'll have to manually scroll down the list.

I'm thinking of a big colour coded gantt chart type thing lol, where with one look you can see "Oh, Natsuno's adventure starts way earlier!"

 

[Raspada]

So what's the deal with the Infinite Possibilities event scene? It's the last scene in the event viewer, so I assume it's the last scene in the timeline, but it doesn't make sense in context, and it ends abruptly.

 

[Gunny T Highway]

So what's the deal with the Infinite Possibilities event scene? It's the last scene in the event viewer, so I assume it's the last scene in the timeline, but it doesn't make sense in context, and it ends abruptly.

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Because there are so many probes that launched in 2188 there can be many ways this whole story can play out on different planets.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

So what's the deal with the Infinite Possibilities event scene? It's the last scene in the event viewer, so I assume it's the last scene in the timeline, but it doesn't make sense in context, and it ends abruptly.

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Project Ark involves sending out thousands of probes to colonize thousands of Earth-like planets in the Galaxy.

The last scene is showing another colony experiencing through the same thing.

 

[ScOULaris]

Please God let this get translated and released stateside.

https://www.siliconera.com/13-sentinels-aegis-rim-artbook-and-script-collection-pack-will-release-in-japan-this-fall/?s=09

 

[Rainy]

So just beat the game, it was fucking amazing.

So essentially all the eras were a part of a virtual simulation right? There were hundreds of loops that were happening while the planet they were on were terraforming, and the loops kept getting reset because the deimos kept attacking. This happened because 2188 Shinonome put in a code because she was fed up with humanity right? Also what was the significance of the code that Ida told Shinonome to put into that one sentinel in one of her flashbacks? Wasn't that DD-426? What was the point of that...

Also can someone explain that Ida scene at the end?

In the epilogue they all jump back into pods after what appears to be 5 years because they just want to see all the AI they grew up with right?

 

[Shy]

In the epilogue they all jump back into pods after what appears to be 5 years because they just want to see all the AI they grew up with right?

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Correct.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

So just beat the game, it was fucking amazing.

So essentially all the eras were a part of a virtual simulation right? There were hundreds of loops that were happening while the planet they were on were terraforming, and the loops kept getting reset because the deimos kept attacking. This happened because 2188 Shinonome put in a code because she was fed up with humanity right?

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This is correct. Even when they were down to 10 survivors of all humanity, those people eventually still killed off each other.

Pretty depressing to think about. So Shinonome-2188 had enough of that shit. Doesn't help that it seem Ida-2188 is also a scumbag.

Also what was the significance of the code that Ida told Shinonome to put into that one sentinel in one of her flashbacks? Wasn't that DD-426? What was the point of that...

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Ida had given up on this loop and wanted to start over again with Tomi/Miyuki, this time with her in a human body. He sabotaged the Sentinels to speed up the destruction of this world to get to the next loop.

Of course, he had no idea that this was the last chance they were ever going to get.

Also can someone explain that Ida scene at the end?

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In an interview with George Kamitani, he said that after everything was over, " Kamitani says that after being scolded by Inaba, Ida finally repents, and that the restoration of the sectors is part of his penance. "

In the epilogue they all jump back into pods after what appears to be 5 years because they just want to see all the AI they grew up with right?

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Yes, the interesting thing I think about this story is that the characters don't really differentiate between AI and humans. So to the characters, they are as real as any humans.

 

[Rainy]

Thanks for the responses Shy and Chaos2Frozen.

So in the ending the villain was....Shinonome technically? And Ida I guess. This makes me feel bad for Shinonome though....damn man. Was her feeling fed up with humanity a result of learning that 2188 Ida was in love with 2188 Kisaragi?

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

So in the ending the villain was....Shinonome technically? And Ida I guess. This makes me feel bad for Shinonome though....damn man. Was her feeling fed up with humanity a result of learning that 2188 Ida was in love with 2188 Kisaragi?

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We don't know for sure what happened between Shinonome-2188 and Ida-2188, and I don't think Kisaragi-2188 had anything to do with it, but in the Q&A Kamitani had this to say

The fifth question asked for details on Ida's betrayal of Shinonome in 2188. Kamitani says that Ida is portrayed with three personalities in the game: As the adult Ida who will do anything to accomplish his goals, as the younger Amiguchi who seems like a flirt but is actually nice, and as the 2188 version of Ida who combines the worst aspects of the other two personalities, competent but a playboy, who can be cruel.

Kamitani says that at the end, with the survivors killing each other, Shinonome might have despaired and asked Ida to commit suicide alongside her, and that Ida would not have agreed to it. His last words to her were probably horrible ones, and Kamitani said that it is hard to imagine how she would have felt after that, left alone as the last surviving human.

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[Rainy]

Oh wow, goddamit Ida. Can't imagine how Shinonome felt...her story was def one of the most depressing for me.

 

[ScOULaris]

In an interview with George Kamitani, he said that after everything was over, " Kamitani says that after being scolded by Inaba, Ida finally repents, and that the restoration of the sectors is part of his penance. "

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The only part that confuses me about that scene is trying to understand when it is happening. Did the simulation just keep running without the 15 pod kids once they broke free of the loops and emerged onto their new planet? And then Ida (who was now just a leftover AI in the sim) brought all of the sectors back online again...? But like, was that essentially another reset/loop then? Or did he bring them all back online as destroyed cities?

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

The only part that confuses me about that scene is trying to understand when it is happening. Did the simulation just keep running without the 15 pod kids once they broke free of the loops and emerged onto their new planet? And then Ida (who was now just a leftover AI in the sim) brought all of the sectors back online again...? But like, was that essentially another reset/loop then? Or did he bring them all back online as destroyed cities?

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The sectors were brought back online to just before the Kaiju invasion.

So the way I see it, the virtual world was completely offline in the 5 years.

My guess is the kids were able to bring up at least Sector 0 which houses the memories and personality of Ida, who in turn helps bring up the rest of the Sectors.

 

[ScOULaris]

The sectors were brought back online to just before the Kaiju invasion.

So the way I see it, the virtual world was completely offline in the 5 years.

My guess is the kids were able to bring up at least Sector 0 which houses the memories and personality of Ida, who in turn helps bring up the rest of the Sectors.

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Ah, okay. So that scene with Ida bringing the sectors back online was happening around five years later before they hopped back into the sim to revisit all of their old AI friends and family.

I wonder, though. Won't the kaiju invasion just happen again? It's still coded into the sim to happen either way, right? Or maybe not since it relied on their interlociters to send the commands to generate the Deimos in the first place.

Also, the facility that housed their pods and ran the simulation was on its last legs in terms of stability, so from where were they running it and re-accessing the sim five years later?

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Ah, okay. So that scene with Ida bringing the sectors back online was happening around five years later before they hopped back into the sim to revisit all of their old AI friends and family.

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That's my understanding of it as well.

I wonder, though. Won't the kaiju invasion just happen again? It's still coded into the sim to happen either way, right?

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I imagine they probably would have made sure to fix the code before booting it back it. Should be easier now that they're doing it from the outside.

Also, the facility that housed their pods and ran the simulation was on its last legs in terms of stability, so from where were they running it and re-accessing the sim five years later?

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All of this is probably why it took 5 years.

 

[AgeOfZelda]

You know, I would love to draw up a massive Excel sheet to show the timeline of the 13 protagonists story arc throughout the main game. None of the previous loop flashback stuff, just what they're actually going through from prologue to Final Battle.

Something to show at exactly when each arc took place. Because for the longest time I thought they were all happening around the same time but a ton of characters had their adventures WAY before Juro and Megumi even started theirs.

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It's no Excel sheet, but this person just uploaded the second part of the story breakdown if anyone's interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wkfmkAhI5g
I agree that it's interesting how even when people's stories take place compared to the others' is left to people to figure out. I really respect that. It adds another layer to the whole thing.

 

[Rainy]

I noticed in the latter half of my play through that on the right side of the analysis screen it has 5 lines representing the 5 sectors. I think. It was a nifty thing they added in. Overall I keep thinking about this game and it's story and I don't think it will leave my mind anytime soon.

 

[Teenage Fansub]

Just finished. I'm wondering how the "Mission accomplished" (all normal destruction missions) trophy is much rarer than the "Journey's end" (final cutscene) one. Don't you have to do all the battles to get there?

Also kinda wish we didn't get the school epilogue because everyone marrying each other was real corny.
And humanity only being repopulated by Japanese people is some dodgy stuff. None of them were even mixed race were they?

 

[ShyMel]

Just finished. I'm wondering how the "Mission accomplished" (all normal destruction missions) trophy is much rarer than the "Journey's end" (final cutscene) one. Don't you have to do all the battles to get there?

Also kinda wish we didn't get the school epilogue because everyone marrying each other was real corny.
And humanity only being repopulated by Japanese people is some dodgy stuff. None of them were even mixed race were they?

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If I am reading the trophy description correctly, Mission Accomplished requires you complete all objectives, which would include the bonus objectives.

 

[blonded]

wish there was more variety in character motivations than just love/romance

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

wish there was more variety in character motivations than just love/romance

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Outside of Fuyusaka and Yakushiji's routes, I don't think it's that bad for the girls. I take greater issue with how heteronormative the ending is with everyone coupled, more or less.

 

[Rainy]

Forgot to say this earlier but I think love and romance are good motivations for like 16/17 year olds. Pretty realistic in that aspect. I think it's weird though because we see all the characters as adults so we view their motivation as juvenile because of that.