1440/60 would be preferable to 4K/30 also, and would work better on TVs.
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1080p vs 4k
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I don't think they would limit it to just 1080p. It would scale quite nicely with next gen though. Also really strange for them to make it weaker than xbone x in GPU. They did say +4 TFLOPs, do 4 is minimum. I think it will be 6TFLOPS, with the same CPU as the higher model, and at least 12GB Ram, possibly GDDR6 also. It would scale quite nicely with next gen..
That would also be nice. Any step further from 1080p/30 fps is a good in my books.
While there is a greater possibility of us getting performance and graphics modes in the future, I really wouldn't expect it being the norm. It would be nice to have those kinds of options for every game on consoles, but if you truly want that "60+fps ALL* the time" option it's only going to be found on PC. That is unless Microsoft doesn't just go "Xboxes can be full W10 PCs with typical PC graphics options now!" which is also a possibility.
*outside of the rare poor PC port
Realistically, yeah, I don't expect every dev to put in the extra work for it, but technically I would hope with next gen CPUs being less of a bottleneck, the ability to have a 60fps option at a decent resolution should be there. I just really hope that sort of preset becomes a lot more common with the extra horsepower.
I'll take the spec that aims for 4K and kind of hope that devs have sense to provide users options that utilize the power for different reasons that are available to the user's command. Not robust graphics options like PC, but simpler presets.
We see that now but the "performance" modes tend to leave a lot to be desired -- usually fail to uphold a steady high framerate. If we're pushing even more compute-power overhead with next gen, then I hope that maybe those 1080p/60fps presets actually achieve a steady 60fps.
I'd rather choose between simple choices (vs PC where the settings and performance costs can be quite complicated), and I think having more compute power will leave the most flexibility to choose.
We see that now but the "performance" modes tend to leave a lot to be desired -- usually fail to uphold a steady high framerate. If we're pushing even more compute-power overhead with next gen, then I hope that maybe those 1080p/60fps presets actually achieve a steady 60fps.
I'd rather choose between simple choices (vs PC where the settings and performance costs can be quite complicated), and I think having more compute power will leave the most flexibility to choose.
It's too bad 1440p has only really been a pc monitor standard, because the move from 1080p to 1440p would have had my blessing.
I don't have room for a giant tv set, and 4k is just overkill imho.
I don't have room for a giant tv set, and 4k is just overkill imho.
Current rumour is that it would be 4TF. If you need 6TF for 4K (Xbox One X) then logically the low end machine would have to be targeting 1080p or perhaps 1440p.
Good point, I forgot the entry was rumored to be 4TF and the upgraded CPU.
Either way though, I'd be going for the higher end option myself.
Yep, bought a gaming PC roughly two years ago for that very reason. :-D
And being a (mostly) Nintendo gamer nowadays I'd say there is a *very* good percentage of the stuff I play that runs at silky smooth 60fps. Not bad at all.
Honestly, I'm really curious as to how this next generation is going to unfold. I don't think we have the hardware, at a competitive price and console form factor, to achieve a solid 4K output with the graphical leap we usually expect from a new generation.
I love my 4K TV, and native content looks great. But, computationally, are we really at the stage where we can do these displays justice on a console?
I'd rather 4K checkerboard from 1440p or something with a substantial increase in graphical fidelity.
I love my 4K TV, and native content looks great. But, computationally, are we really at the stage where we can do these displays justice on a console?
I'd rather 4K checkerboard from 1440p or something with a substantial increase in graphical fidelity.
I don't know if you took RDR2 but was made with an 8core zen so a lot more on screen characters + objects, double that ram and a extra 2tflops for graphics and stuff the leap would still be pretty good.
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Yea the real leap here is the cpu, and you get that leap even with the cheap version.
i just want 60 fps, fuck 4k but i probably play the xbox games on my Pc through the play Anywhere feature so i think i don't buy the next gen Xbox at all
Who cares about resolution when frame rate is so bad right now? Fix that first.
Whatever console I get next get had better do native 4K in most games. Sitting pretty close to a 4K TV the difference is very significant.
I don't even see FullHD TVs anymore in stores it's all 4K at dirt cheap prices
and its a massive difference between 4K and 1080p
but more than 4K I feel HDR is the one that needs massive adoption but unless you pay more than 1000$ you don't get a TV with decent HDR
and its a massive difference between 4K and 1080p
but more than 4K I feel HDR is the one that needs massive adoption but unless you pay more than 1000$ you don't get a TV with decent HDR
"We have a product for people who want a 1080p console - it's called Xbox One"
Seriously, it'd be foolish of Microsoft to announce a next gen(!) console that ouputs at 1080p.
Devs are free to favor frame rate over resolution and render games at a lower res, but the console should be perfectly capable to ouptut 4k60.
As someone who owns a 4K tv (got it rather cheap), I don't care that much about it. It's of course nice to have more sharpness, but in most cases if I could trade it for a more full, vibrant scene, better post FX, or a rock solid or higher frame rate, I would choose any of those in a heartbeat over higher resolution. It's the definition of diminishing returns IMO. (Unless your talking talking about VR or something)
It honestly depends on the person, i always thought it wasnt a big deal then i finally saved up and got myself a Samsung 8000 and completely changed my mind on 4K. But there isnt anything wrong with 1080p it still looks great. But 4K looks fucking great i find myself choosing better resolution in games on my PS4 Pro then FPS which is crazy but it looks that much better.
We will get there but it'll take time. Look st how long it took to make regular HD standard! And still more than half of all disc sales in America are for DVDs so a healthy amount of people are still rocking 480i images on their brand spanking HDTVs they bought at Walmart and they don't give a damn about the difference!
Hell, I'm a hardcore gamer and I sometimes struggle a bit to see the difference between a game running on 1080p a PS4 vs the same game running on a higher resolution on a Pro.
Do you think many laymen give a crap about the difference between 1080p and 4K? Regular HD had the added advantage of a wider aspect ratio change in addition to resolution. The change to 4K is not as dramatic.
When it comes to watching something online, 1440p monitor is a great balance between those two. Besides, most of the online videos are usually 1080p quality (even though I do admit that 4K is becoming more and more common), and watching 1080p videos and movies on a 4K screen feels just a little off to me, even if I'm using reasonable upscaling.
When it comes to gaming, 1440p is a 100% perfect spot for me.
When it comes to gaming, 1440p is a 100% perfect spot for me.
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I'll be genuinely interested by a cheap 1080p machine. I only own a 1080p 32" monitor installed in the guest room which I use for my switch. I don't intend to buy a bigger screen as I hate TV and won't ruin my cosy home with a big screen (especially as I have a projector to watch movies in good conditions anyway).
So, that rumored 1080p box by Microsoft is right up my alley.
So, that rumored 1080p box by Microsoft is right up my alley.
I don't think we'll be getting a "4K beast". Not even 2080 Ti's will run new games in 4K without sacrifices.
If you want different performance modes get a PC. This is unlikely to become a regular thing on console
lots of games have performance/resolution modes already , that should continue. Especially if you have one machine that is running the lower resolution variant
I'm going all in and going for a C9. I want that high frame rate with a big screen. I know it won't be full 4k at that frame rate, only 1440p, but it should be big enough to not be noticeable.
1080p Peasant Mode all the way.
I don't care about the minuscule upgrade from "4k". I have no need to support the shareholders of the console manufacturers any further.
I don't care about the minuscule upgrade from "4k". I have no need to support the shareholders of the console manufacturers any further.
I agree but it depends on the game in question. But for sake of discussion let's say we are talking about graphics heavy AAA games ala God of War etc. More likely thing is that those will run with a combination of solutions like dynamic resolution, image sharpening at lower than native res, checkerboarding etc. At above 1440p all of these produce results that are not far off from 4K and you would not even notice in movement.
It's not going to be 1080p vs 4K, it's going to be "4K-ish" vs "4K-ish with higher detail settings", with 1080p (or maybe even 1440p) options for PS4 Pro or for those who favor higher framerate.
Not sure why this is such a hot point of contention when PC gamers have had access to 4k for years. It's just not worth the frames for most people. Console players won't be as bothered by choppy unresponsive gameplay and will be fine playing at 30 with drops as usual. Maybe some will see the light with the games supporting 1080p/120hz.
