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“The rules are the rules,” Biden says in Michigan when asked about Sha’ Carri Richardson’s one-month suspension for marijuana use.
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The media is desperate for the days of Trump or at a minimum are desperate for Biden to shove his foot into his mouth a lot and so far its really not happening. So the next best thing is snippet partial transcripts and in this day and age of not reading past the snippet generate outrage
BTW, tons of countries (that are a part of the IOC) have very strict laws on weed and see it as a very serious crime to partake.
Just because the US and some European countries think it's okay, doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees.
Just because the US and some European countries think it's okay, doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees.
I didn't say there wasn't any criticism just that there is a trend towards a sentiment that he should not be critiqued as he's defended constantly here for s
he's the president. If you think his opinion on the matter will not change people's thoughts on the matter idk what to tell you. I didn't say he'd be the cause of direct change through official channels but he should definitely be saying much more than he did.
it's not an opinion though. It's an archaic notion that has no basis in reality or science. The laws regarding mj around the world are literally just to punish lower class citizens.
There are fewer countries that legalized weed than those that don't and even in the US it's not really legal since not every state has legalized it
WADA think it has merit.
It's changing as time go and getting softer, but that is the current set of rules that all athletes adhere to.
We should listen to the world anti-doping agency or some random people?
Reason and logic. Essentially its a rule that punishes people for no good reason, unless you're willing to convince me otherwise?
the general population? That's the reason there's even talk about this rule in the first place. Are you trying to be dumb?
Then why we have the WADA if we can just do an internet pool? Is the general population expert in antidoping? plus you will find that the general population opinion change with the nation you go.
They are some reason, a quick google search and you will find them. Whatever you think they are good or not, the majority of athletes do adhere to them.
Wait til you find out how broken the rest of society is. Something formally existing doesn't make it right and fair, nor something the majority agree with. Never has.
....of course a lot of them adhere to the rules....they'd be booted if they didn't? Im not even sure what you're arguing here.
lol do you think every official body on this planet is always correct with regards to science and decision making? Do you know if they even do any research with regards to marijuana and it's affects on the human body. No, here WADA is only perpetuating a cycle of classism and racism thru recreational drug use because the use of marijuana would have little to negative affects on her performance. It's abuse, it's arbitrary, it's not a rule. If it were alcohol wouldn't be allowed after the games. You think thc is allowed afterwards?
Do you know if they do research? (of course, they don't, but they are likely reading research on it since it's their field)
Something expert gets it wrong and is very likely they will change their opinion on this in the next few years since clearly, the stance is shifting, but something that we should have learned in the populism era si that most of the time they are correct.
"why should I use my incredible international stature to advocate for change even though that's literally part of the job he was elected to do."
-Why would Biden Advocate the rules of Weed to change worldwide when he hasn't even said anything about legalization in America, his own country ?
He would have been blasted as a hypocrite if he would have, which is the reason that he didn't and he didn't say anything controversial or bad as he agreed with her response to all of this.
Show me the research proving Richardson's having THC detected was an unfair sporting advantage for an upcoming event.
Everything about the official statement contradicts science, the effects of recreational marijuana and the human condition itself. Its utter gibberish and entirely outdated.
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so you're just saying he's center right got it. Yeah that's my problem with him. When it comes to liberal issues he push that shit under the rug and chooses the path of least resistance. Tired of this status quo, piece of the pie at a time for minorities bullshit. Our leaders are inept and barely speak for the people who are literally dying to vote for them. The black community doesn't want to hear rules are rules joe. Another black athlete is getting punished for no reason. Speak up you're a flipping public/political figure.
She's an olympic level athlete, surely she knew the rules of the banned substances regardless of their legality in the state she was consuming them in since the Olympics is an international event. She owned up to her mistake with poise. Biden has no control over what the IOC does and his opinion on the matter isn't going to change what they do. Why are people making a big deal out of this? Hell, I wouldn't have even known he had made a statement at all about it if it wasn't for this thread.
Why should Cannabis be Considered Doping in Sports? (nih.gov)
But I'm pretty sure you will not agree with any of those unless there is "THC increase speed by xxx%"
What they think of doping is just more extensive than what you think it is.
I feel she is taking it much more professionally than any of you are doing.
Even if you think it constitutes doping, the thing is they're not having a joint before competing. Things you do in your personal life that have no effect on competition shouldn't be measured this way.
Also, of course she's taking it professionally. Im sure every legal advice encourages this for obvious reasons.
This shouldn't be 3 pages long.
Did she break a rule? yes
Is the rule bullshit? also yes.
That's not how it works. If someone takes a substance within range of competition, no matter the reason, you can't just claim there was no effect. If you start allowing emotion into these rulings, you won't like the outcome.
Emotion is the reason illogical rulings exist. Literally a biproduct of the endlessly destructive war on drugs. If it has an effect long after use then you need to prove that with hard evidence. Do you think they even cared for that kind of research when finalizing the rules?
For starters, I perfectly believe her when she said the reason.
But according to the document of how an athlete could use THC
1) Use it few weeks before the competition to help his training
2) Drop it
3) Compete
In this case, they could have an advantage over those who did not use THC.
Btw IOC and the international organization have no problem with her competing as the ban expire before the Olympics start.
It's just how the US qualification system work.
This is not the war on drugs.
Now we're at the point where we're imagining athletes intentionally "doping" weed. We're officially in useless conspiracy levels of conjecture about an organization which is currently banning women with higher Testosterone levels and you want to talk about fairness.
Yes, that's the point in contention.
It kinda is a direct result, but ok.
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True. I do think he will 'evolve' on the issue, but there is no denying he has been consistently on the wrong side of this issue.Are we all just gonna forget Biden's role as one of many active architects of the drug war and drug hysteric culture that enacted these rules and policies?
He should have been much more clear and said it was a rule that should change and that he would be working towards that change.
if they have the substance you assume the worst.
It's actually the less biased option.
Then why this thread is about thc and not about the us qualification system?
I'm saying he's using a dodge because his genuine opinion is "her suspension for weed is just and good" and he knows that's unpopular, and thus he's dodging giving an answer. Meanwhile, you've got the centrist sycophant crowd trying to excuse the dodge because, you know, of course he wouldn't agree with the suspension, but Rules And Polite Process forbid the actual reasonable response and it's therefore unfair to not regard dodging the question as Actually He's Supporting Change.
He doesn't suggest at all that the suspension is not just, the entire use of "that's a different topic" is intended to distance him from having provided any answer to that question one way or another. The way to address that issue is to address that issue, instead of basically just saying "please don't consider that my Rules Are Rules comment is any sort of comment whatsoever on the wider topic" and hoping that people take the inference that the distancing that dodge provides is an indicator of his position on the topic (despite his continuing approval for the criminalization of marijuana).
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WADA does not think it has merit and has admitted as much on record.
The 30 day to 90 day ban is some punitive bs because they can get away with it but logically if its not performance enhancing why suspend an individual for it.
He says nothing of substance. "Rule are rules" is a pointless, empty thing to say. Yeah, we all fucking know rules are indeed rules. But some rules should not be rules and should be changed. People here are saying Biden is advocating for change, but he is absolutely not. He's literally sidestepping that conversation.
The full quote ain't saying anything that makes it better.
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Performative outraged, extremely online, US centric leftists on this site is fucking worst
"The full quote isn't much better"
Be fucking glad you have a national leader who says that full quote, privileged dipshit
"The full quote isn't much better"
Be fucking glad you have a national leader who says that full quote, privileged dipshit
You can quote me, I am grown enough to take insults lol
And I'm just saying my piece. The full quote isn't much better because his center-right stance on things puts him in rough spots where he can't even say something in defense of Sha'Carri without also possibly contradicting his stance on marijuana (or the reporter asking further questions on a possible new stance). This is what he gotta deal with for having bad policies and opinions on things.
And please don't tell me what I need to be glad about.
Also be fucking glad WADA only puts one month ban on "substance of abuse". If it happens in my country she would've been banished from the public
You have no clue how to persuade ordinary people in developing countries including mine that weed should be legal.
Your privilege is showing. Get some perspective.
You have no clue how to persuade ordinary people in developing countries including mine that weed should be legal.
Your privilege is showing. Get some perspective.
You're expecting too much from a quick answer at a holiday publicity tour. He answered the question which was focused on Richardson herself and implied that the rule needs to be reconsidered. You're never going to get much more than that from such a question
No, I'm reading correctly that Biden doesn't want to say more, retreating into "rules are rules" so that he can justify the decision before distancing himself without making any comment on the relative wisdom of the rules. I'm inferring from his policy positions that it's because the substantive thing he has to say is repellent to people who he needs to vote for him.
Biden's a practiced politician, getting a response of a dodge and a no comment is basically the thing you should expect from someone like that.
(For a laugh: consider the sort of person who thinks the Olympics should think about changing the rules about marijuana use while also continuing to think that any person caught possessing weed needs to be prosecuted criminally. The only way to really square that is with a dose of fascist in-group/out-group logic.)
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While I agree that the rich in every country generally tend to get away with much more, I have a feeling you're thinking of this from an American perspective, where minorities (historically and specifically black Americans) were punished with weed as an excuse.
That is simply not the case in many other countries where weed is illegal. For example, China has incredibly strict drug laws partially due to their history with opium. The view on drugs there (funnily enough, not alcohol or nicotine) have nothing to do with "punishing lower class citizens," but rather are a by-product of historical grievances.
You are free to have whatever opinion you want, of course. While I'd agree that scientifically, there's no reason why alcohol is considered less dangerous than weed, that doesn't suddenly erase the past.
I mean he basically states a fact then gives his views on said fact.
This isn't the gotcha Twitter desperately wishes it to be.
This isn't the gotcha Twitter desperately wishes it to be.
If you want to be mad at Biden, by all means, but maybe focus on things actually in his purview? He could magically legalize all drugs tomorrow and nothing would change here. Our domestic drug policies are at best tangentially related to international sports doping rules.
We shouldn't want to have our president wading into every issue of the day. It's a sideshow that distracts both from holding the president accountable for his job performance and from actually addressing or understanding the given situation.
We shouldn't want to have our president wading into every issue of the day. It's a sideshow that distracts both from holding the president accountable for his job performance and from actually addressing or understanding the given situation.