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“No indication yet whether they will shove SJW politics down our throat in Vampire The Masquerade 2” says Oyungezer, Turkish game magazine
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How can they miss the days of hurting people without caring? There are still tons of games that let you do that.
Turkey is a fascinating place. I always wanted to visit, and check out Gallipoli, stuff about Mustafa Kemal, etc. But I think it's a fairly scary time for the country. They've swung from being a fairly secular and modern state to something much more reactionary and filled with suspicion, anger, and tension. It's causing a big brain/talent drain as well, as upcoming students who might have previously studied engineering/stem/finance/etc are leaving at high rates, and many people who can afford to leave are doing so.
They have their own weird variant of a Trump-like character in Erdogan, which is ironic considering their clash over the imprisoned Christian a little ways back.
It's delicate, because the potential exists for Turkey to literally fall into a either a despotic fundamentalist dictatorship, or a failed state run by various extermist sects, and they're a critical piece of NATO with a bunch of nuclear weapons up to 15000kt yield.
They have their own weird variant of a Trump-like character in Erdogan, which is ironic considering their clash over the imprisoned Christian a little ways back.
It's delicate, because the potential exists for Turkey to literally fall into a either a despotic fundamentalist dictatorship, or a failed state run by various extermist sects, and they're a critical piece of NATO with a bunch of nuclear weapons up to 15000kt yield.
Motherfucker it's a VAMPIRE game! Have they seen any vampire media in the last 200 years? Since when has Vampire's not been about things outside what are considered sexual norms? Like, do I need to pull out Carmilla for this idiots?
And lol pretending the fifth edition of Vampire is somehow tame. It's just as if not more violent than the other editions.
Also, Jesus Christ that "hurting people without caring" quote. If there was ever an accidental "don't say it out loud" moment. These monsters have never been about "journalism" or "gamers". It has always been about the ability to hurt others without consequence. Well too fucking bad, the world will not coddle to you anymore.
And lol pretending the fifth edition of Vampire is somehow tame. It's just as if not more violent than the other editions.
Also, Jesus Christ that "hurting people without caring" quote. If there was ever an accidental "don't say it out loud" moment. These monsters have never been about "journalism" or "gamers". It has always been about the ability to hurt others without consequence. Well too fucking bad, the world will not coddle to you anymore.
The problem is political agenda, that being the suggestions don't align with or specifically enforce their own often far right and/or conservative leanings. They'll masquerade (pun intend) the issue as being politics from the other side, implied as destructive, undesirable, revisionist history, censorship, etc etc, being forced onto an otherwise free, open, liberty rich artwork. But the truth of the matter is that "SJW politics/agenda" really means the inclusion, acceptance, or conversation of any of the following or combination of:
- Transgender, homosexual rights and people
- Socialism, communism, and political ideology not adherent to conservative or fascist policies
- Positive conversations on immigration
- Positive impressionism of people of colour
- Distancing from nationalistic ideology (particularly ethnonationalism)
- Criticism of far right nationalism (eg: presenting antagonists as embodying qualities like nazism, fascism, anti-immigration, etc)
- Equal presentation and/or roles assigned to women
- Diminished sexualisation of women when lacking contextual justification
Never mind that it's borderline impossible for any author, artist, creator of any kind to create anything without some kind of political commentary seeping through. Never mind that all creative works, all art, is reflective of themes and politics of the time (of which the aforementioned are of the modern world). Never mind if the role playing video game in question still allows for much of the players creative freedom to play as an identity they align with (eg: white male), even with more broader option beyond that. Never mind if the themes and setting are still richly infused with sexuality, or overflowing with violence. Never mind if you're still given the option to play as an authoritarian-like character. Never mind any of this.
Because it really is as simple as "I can choose my pronouns". Simply having this at all is indicative of "SJW forced politics". Because in reality the issue for them is this; they see transgender people as subhuman, and they should not be, in any way at all, considered or catered to in this creative work. They should be explicitly denied accessibility and options, even if these options come at no cost to their own. Instead, if they wish to enjoy the work, they should be forced to cater to rulesets and premise that pander to their specific political agenda. Immigration should not be presented in a positive light, it should not be represented as a "good thing", because immigration is destroying the white race and the culture of Western society. It is explicitly responsible for majority of crime, and should be represented as such. To not do so is forcing a political agenda that is not their own, ergo, "forced SJW politics".
It's a pretty basic and boring conversation in the grand scheme of things. I think I've said it before, but I probably lean pretty heavily against censorship in many cases more than a lot of people here, and am pretty open to heavy, controversial, shocking content being represented and explored in art (which is a conversation of the purpose of art and emotional resonance to be had elsewhere). But even so the arguments you'll see in almost all claims or concerns of "SJW agenda ruining video games" are tired, transparent politically charged horseshit with blatantly obvious implications and intent.
I remember when political correctness meant something instead of just "politics I disagree with", because the Chechnya stuff sounds like the very opposite of political correctness.
I guess it's simultaneously satisfying and disheartening to see this exact same weak rhetoric outside of US politics. Not only have we nationalized the culture wars, we've globalized it!
When force feeding is a thing, you're reading too much into it. It comes off as a "all the anti-gay people are secretly gay!" fallacy.
I guess it's simultaneously satisfying and disheartening to see this exact same weak rhetoric outside of US politics. Not only have we nationalized the culture wars, we've globalized it!
When force feeding is a thing, you're reading too much into it. It comes off as a "all the anti-gay people are secretly gay!" fallacy.
Disturbs players? Really? Just fucking pick the pronoun you want and play the game, jesus christ. You're not being attacked by character creation options.
Because we're in an information war, they're afraid that these themes in games will sway people away from their cause. In an attempt to appear objective, they say it's against politics in games, but it's clear from which messages they choose to focus on and which they ignore that it's not truly what they're doing.
Turkey is a conservative Islamist dictatorship. I feel like that tells you everything you need to know about this gaming magazine.
You are from Turkey, I gather?
I am seeing a fair increase in young people and families from there as I travel US and abroad. I think it's important for people to understand that Turkey does not equal Edrogan. Just as USA doesn't equal Trump. It seems similar in some ways how a very nationalistic cadre have captured the government despite being a smaller group whose trade is xenophobic and very conservative.
Well i hope the developers don't give a shit about "hurting" those alt right fuckers etc.
There are so many dumbasses here in Turkey that fall for the super edgy /pol/, anti-feminist crowd. Bonus points if they exclusively listen to metal. What's mind blowing for me is we are not even white yet so many side with white supremacists on this even if they continuously get called subhuman / roaches etc. I'd imagine most of this attitude among young people is rooted in Islamophobia, refugee crisis and overall nationalistic values. I had my fair share of issues regarding religious oppression in this country but thankfully never fell for the baits of this whole skeptic crowd. I used to buy Oyungezer when I was younger and It's a shame that they'll probably allow the author to write again. Never buying again for sure. Edit: I did some digging in the comments, one of the edgelords has a blog dedicated to black metal, why am I not surprised. There were a couple sane comments at least so all hope isn't lost although mostly the dumb comments are upvoted.
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Yep, this quote is hilarious. It would be quite funny if it wasn't so sad…
It's kind of amazing how so many of the people complaining about the potential politics in Bloodines 2 seemed to either not have played the first game at all, or completely skipped most of the dialogue.
I think what gets me is people losing their minds over being able to choose a pronoun. And they use that as an example of not being able to make the character you want anymore or doing anything in the game. IT'S LITERALLY MORE OPTIONS. I guess they don't feel represented because you can't play a brain-dead moron.
I think what gets me is people losing their minds over being able to choose a pronoun. And they use that as an example of not being able to make the character you want anymore or doing anything in the game. IT'S LITERALLY MORE OPTIONS. I guess they don't feel represented because you can't play a brain-dead moron.
It's funny that these folks are still pushing their "devs are being censored" narrative while criticizing a developer for creating what they want instead of caring about hurting alt-right shitstains like them.
Amazing hypocrisy at display there.
every single game that have a political message that isn't "man is stronk" is sjw garbage for reactionaries, so it isn't difficult.
Trust me, toxic masculinity and anti-lgbt sentiments have been a common problem in Turkey even before Erdōgan.
I mean, it's a Turkish publication so this kind of stance isn't terribly surprising. (That's not to say that there are no open-minded, progressive people in Turkey (of course, there are), just that the Turkish mainstream is a good deal more conservative than what we're used to in the West.)
Very, very probably not
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Because it was never about "protecting devs from censorship". It has always been about the desire to attack others without consequence. The right to demean, belittle, and even enact violence against minorities without facing the repercussions for it.
You'd have to be an idiot to have been hyped in the first place, if that were the case. Bloodlines 1 was extremely obvious in what it advocated. Vampire: The Masquerade has been the same way since its inception. These shitbirds were/are just too fucking stupid to see it.
This. It's a term they recently started to use I believe. So people should be on the look out for its usage.
And what exactly is the "SJW politics" that are shoved down our throat?
Then again, these are the same people who always like to bring up 1984 despite it being a leftwing novel.
This isn't about shoving 'SJW politics down your throat' . This is gross men who are extremely uncomfortable that developers want to give the simple option to let someone identify how they want to identify in a video game and them acknowledging they have a female fanbase and saying that the game will have more options for all sexual preferences.
Having the game ask you what pronouns you prefer does not mean that if you choose a straight male vampire the game will shut off. God for a group of gamers who insist people are too sensitive, you sure are bothered by the simplest of things lmao.
Having the game ask you what pronouns you prefer does not mean that if you choose a straight male vampire the game will shut off. God for a group of gamers who insist people are too sensitive, you sure are bothered by the simplest of things lmao.
Vampire (and the two World of Darkness settings) takes place in the modern era, with the exception being that the Vampires, Werewolves, and Mages (and other supernatural entities) are real. Therefore our history is the setting history.
Gaming culture continues to remain toxic trash. News at 11.
That said, I do commend the devs who are not afraid to give a raw middle finger to these degenerate cunts.
That said, I do commend the devs who are not afraid to give a raw middle finger to these degenerate cunts.
You should check out Epic Battle Fantasy 5 on steam, if you haven't. A really fun turn-based JRPG where fascists are literal enemies.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Critical thinking and fine arts programs have basically been non existent in public school systems for the better part of decade, so it comes as no surprise that so many people can't even understand the most basic subtext in the media they consume. The examples you picked would have been picked up by anyone who took even the most basic high school literature class.
