You could throw as much money, legal or illegal, at him and it wouldn't change a thing because that's not what he cares about. Sometimes these people just suck.
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“I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation (BBB)...This is a no on this legislation.” — Sen. Joe Manchin
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Oh, Joe Manchin cares about money and power alright.
Problem is he's getting all of that by taking the exact position he's taking right now.
I feel like people think this is the 1960s and Biden is LBJ. That was a completely different time.
Well, Republicans would have been in control of the Senate, so absolutely nothing would have gotten passed this year. They would have stonewalled every judicial appointment, and there's still time for a possible supreme Court seat before the midterms.
Sorry, I should have been more careful with my wording, I'm so tired of hearing the same justifications over and over that I didn't acknowledge your actual position. I agree, they should push forward and do it and I think the blowback is worth it given how things are trending.
He'll vote for Biden's judicial appointments. That's about it
If a vote were forced, Manchin and Senema would just vote "no".
I don't get it, is this supposed to be some sick burn or something?
Biden has no leverage, the party has no leverage. Manchin is popular in his state.
Bringing it to a vote and watching it fail accomplishes what, exactly? Where is the political brilliance I'm supposed to see with her insightful "point"?
And, you know, control of the Senate which allows Democrats to even bring bills to the floor.
If McConnell is in control every bill the Dems want (including infrastructure) gets tabled. Repubs continue to shove court appointees down our throats.
I know you realize this, why do people who know better keep bringing this up?
And here we go again lol. He's already saying negotiations will keep going. This fucking guy.
Manchin on BBB: "We should be upfront and pick our priorities. That's the difference. So it hasn't shrunk in the desire, the intent is always there. And what we need to do is get our financial house in order... be able to pay for what we do and do what we pay for."
Manchin on BBB: "We should be upfront and pick our priorities. That's the difference. So it hasn't shrunk in the desire, the intent is always there. And what we need to do is get our financial house in order... be able to pay for what we do and do what we pay for."
Forgiving student debt is favored by the majority of Americans going by polling data I've seen.
Attempting to extend the eviction moratorium was a good move despite the Supreme Court decision.
I'll give you that the public feelings on unemployment benefits are a problem with our populace.
So basically, from the summary of responses to my original post Manchin SOMETIMES vote with Dems on certain legislative matters and aids in the appointing of federal judges.
But is that enough to outweigh, even if marginal, his consistent staunch opposition to the Democratic agenda?
But is that enough to outweigh, even if marginal, his consistent staunch opposition to the Democratic agenda?
Maybe these dumbass democrats start doing their jobs and not breaking promises to actually make people WANT to vote instead of "eh the other guy is worse!!!"
I think it's just that this is a false choice.
Nobody likes what Manchin does. Understanding Manchin's motivations are not an endorsement of them.
This just shows how broken our political system is. The majority of an entire presidents agenda can be stalled for an entire term because one "Democrat" who's in a highly conservative state won't play ball with his party because it would hurt his pocket or chances to get re-elected.
"People on the left" = "people with legitimate policy concerns that I can't argue with so instead Of holding people who are in power today accountable I'll mistake the effect for the cause because I am good at analysis"
It's about time you mfers get bullied into shutting the fuck up.
Well I guess you can ask yourself, how much worse would people feel about Dems if, in addition to not passing BBB, they also couldn't pass the covid stimulus bill (including $1400 checks, CTC payments, and extended UI benefits) or confirm any judges or confirm a number of Biden's cabinet appointments?
Manchin is a terrible person who is singularly standing in the way out of climate agenda and voting rights agenda and childcare agenda. But he's also singularly responsible for why this Senate has been able to do literally anything at all. That's why he's so easy to hate!
Have we tried appealing to his conscience as he literally looks down on us from his yacht?
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go back to defending china
This was always going to be the case.
The Dems legislative agenda came down to one person. Sadly, he chose to throw a live grenade into it.
That's just the way it is sadly.
I agree that I don't think BBB will be terribly determinative of the midterms either way. But that's still reason enough for why we need to pass it! Even if voters don't reward Dems for passing any kind of climate bill, this is going to be our last chance to do so for years.
don't worry guys kamala totally told off that professional reporter charlamagne the god that biden is in fact the president, so no worries, he's totally the one calling all the shots
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"go back to defending China instead of critiquing the country you live in" - you, a brain genius. Hold my nuts cracka
We don't have any control over who gets elected outside of our own states. We also know a concerted effort to destroy voting rights and election integrity is currently taking place and nothing is being done to stop it. So all this talk about doing better in future elections is a complete joke
Yeah, politicians deciding who goes to prison seems like a good idea!
Why is she campaigning for the GOP?
Time for Biden to abuse Executive Orders and bypass the Senate. Break some rules here and there if possible for good causes.
The next 2 years are gonna be grid lock heaven. Welcome to Obama years part 2.
The next 2 years are gonna be grid lock heaven. Welcome to Obama years part 2.
in their defense, biden made the claim that he's the dude to get everyone to cooperate
it was always not true, because conservatives are bullshit amoral bastards that don't believe in listening to reason, but that's the situation we are living in
And run on what, restarting student loan payments and "We're not Trump!"?
Other than some judges and executive dept changes this has been a failed administration
No, they were not.
Because we'd have nothing. In what universe is that the preferable scenario?
In a universe where they gave up every single little bit of leverage they had so Manchin can kill this bill. At the very least, right now, if they hadn't decoupled it, they'd have some sort of bargaining chip. Now they have even more nothing.
Leadership has been weak and in effective as of late. So good to bring it up.
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