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bishopp135

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Every cultural event has associated with it thinkpiece articles, this one uses Friends to discuss wrong expectation of adult friendship.

www.vox.com

"Friends" and the illusion of perfect adult friendships

The TV show sold us an idealized vision of these relationships. For young adults, the real thing is far harder to find.

Television and movies have long given us unrealistic expectations for romantic relationships. There are rarely any perfectly timed meet-cutes or mad dashes to the airport, and the chances of an ironic misunderstanding that lead you to the love of your life are slim to none. But less attention has been devoted to how television and movies shape our perception of friendships, too, in ways that don't always reflect reality.

Modern adult friendships aren't just challenging to create and maintain — some evidence suggests they are also in decline. Twenty-two percent of millennials in a 2019 YouGov poll said they had "no friends," compared to 16 percent of Gen Xers and 9 percent of baby boomers. The reasons can be pinned on a variety of factors: Americans today lead increasingly busy lives, and as members of our friend groups grow into their careers and relationships, incomes and schedules start to vary. People move away for new jobs or to be closer to family. Distance and time become barriers in a way they weren't when everyone was young, single, and devoted to their found families.

But you'd never know that from watching television. From Friends to Living Single to Grey's Anatomy to New Girl, TV reinforces the fantasy that true friendships are and should be deeply close but require no real effort to maintain. It's a stark difference from the way we know friendships operate in our own lives — as meaningful but sometimes fleeting relationships that can eventually dissolve because we have no language, script, or social expectation for how to seriously integrate friendships into our adult lives.

As an audience, we want closure when stories end. We spend years with characters and invest in their lives. It makes sense that our journey ends as they exit the phase of life in which we met them. But over time, this accumulation of choices has trained us to associate friendships with the spaces where they initially thrive. And we don't have great models for how friendships should endure when they exist outside the realm of convenient proximity, despite the fact that in the real world, people's locations and jobs are constantly changing: The average American adult moves 11.7 times and changes jobs around 12 times in their lifetimes. Millennials in particular are lonelier than they've ever been and have less time than ever to cultivate the kinds of deep, meaningful friendships we see depicted on television.

Do you think you've been given the wrong impression by media of what an adult friendship should look like?
 

CloseTalker

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, sitcoms give an incorrect impression of literally every situation they portray. That's why they're sitcoms
 

MechaMarmaset

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Nov 20, 2017
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I'm really glad I don't have sitcom friends. Sitcom friends are awful friends. Imagine some twat creating an irritating situation for you on a weekly basis where they show how selfish they are and then you have to make up for it every time.
 

Doc Kelso

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I mean, sitcoms give an incorrect impression of literally every situation they portray. That's why they're sitcoms
They inevitably shape the way that a young audience perceives an adult life. It should never be understated that our perspective is often reflective of the media--fiction and non-fiction--that we consume. Especially since a lot of these sitcoms were at their height of popularity during many people's adolescence.

I know a ton of people that expect their friendships to be in the same vein of these sitcom relationships; Which is to say, they're stuck at a juvenile understanding of it. I have a decent number of people that I would consider friends when compared to my co-workers and it's mostly because those people and I share an understanding that adult friendship means cherishing the time you do have together while not bemoaning the time you have to spend apart.

Gone are the days of staying up until 3am on a rooftop, drinking beer, shooting the shit and being consumed by anxiety because we don't hear from each other for a few days. Though I am an advocate of finding new ways to actually hang out with friends if distance is a factor. Relationships don't have to end just because someone moves away. A few folks and I meet up in VRChat to drink every so often and it's inevitably a great time.

A lot of the attitudes portrayed in mid-90s sitcoms are coming home to roost now that the impressionable-aged audience has grown older.
 
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jb1234

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Oct 25, 2017
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I watched Friends during a period in my life where I barely had any and I remember feeling envy at how those relationships were portrayed.
 

Rory

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Oct 25, 2017
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I knew pretty early on that my life is not as predicted in media.

I knew I wouldnt receive any magical girl powers, cant fly or turn invisible, meet mutated turtles that are experts in self defense and i didnt expect my mom to die and my father asking for help from his brothers.

That being said neither friends nor himym seemed like something you want to achieve to me?
 

Darryl M R

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Oct 25, 2017
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College friendships/relationships felt like Friends and other sitcoms. Now that I've been out in the working world, I would 100% ghost you if you acted like a sitcom character.

No I do not want to take shots with you on this random Tuesday evening. I have a work presentation in the morning.
 

Bing147

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Jun 13, 2018
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I mean, I get this. I have no real friends. I mean, I have people who I would still consider "friends" but its literally been years since I've seen some of them or talked to them. Like, one guy who was in my wedding (about 7 years ago) who I lived with for like 3 years about 15 years ago. We haven't "talked" in probably 3 or 4 years now. Probably around the last time I saw him. We sent each other Facebook messages a couple of times since. Twice last year in fact we had short chats on Messenger. But then he quit Facebook and nothing since. Don't actually have a phone number for him, though I could reach him if I really needed to. (I'm still in a Fantasy Football league with his brother who is also vaguely a friend but we were never as close) I do feel that if I saw them we'd snap right back to things though.

My main exceptions are my brother and my cousin, they are two people who I do have a "friend" relationship with and not just a family one and who I do maintain somewhat regular communication with, but even that's not easy. I mean, I saw them both last month when I was in my hometown, but even before the pandemic we don't see each other more than a few times a year (I live about 3.5 hours away by car) and its not uncommon to go a month or two without talking. I go home to visit family/friends a few times a year in normal times and I usually see the two of them when I do. How often do they come see me? Not often. I've lived here probably 10 years. My brother has come twice I think. Last time was about 4.5 years ago, just before I moved into my house. He saw it just after I closed before I had moved in. Hasn't been back since (and I have a guest room! well, I did, before work from home when it became my wife's office). My cousin has probably visited 10 times, about once a year on average. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes less. Most commonly when there's a comic-con in Chicago since I'm in the suburbs and we'll often both go.

It's hard to maintain relationships as adults. Finding the time, distance, other responsibilities. Doesn't mean you don't care about people.
 

Billfisto

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Oct 30, 2017
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Sitcoms make having friends seem like even more of a hassle than they are in real life.

There are never any "Chandler stays at home and enjoys playing that new game that he'd been anticipating" or "Barney goes rollerblading and it's pleasantly uneventful" episodes.
 

Doc Kelso

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I knew pretty early on that my life is not as predicted in media.

I knew I wouldnt receive any magical girl powers, cant fly or turn invisible, meet mutated turtles that are experts in self defense and i didnt expect my mom to die and my father asking for help from his brothers.

That being said neither friends nor himym seemed like something you want to achieve to me?
I think this is an unfair comparison considering the characters in the media you've mentioned don't look like you. It's easier to disassociate from a smack talkin' turtle at the age of 13 than it is to disassociate from the successful artist that made it big in the Big City™ who looked like he could be someone's older brother from down the road.

Hell, my sister is in her mid-20's and she's only just finished detangling herself from the fact that the situations on TV are not reflective of one's life in any capacity. That stuff roots deeply into your subconscious when you're binging it at the age of 10 and influences what you think is possible in life.
 

mbpm

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't watch enough tv for this to apply to me and I've almost never had more than one (if any) friends at a time or within distance to physically meet.

I instead use the much more realistic idea of friends from anime /s
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The article mentions New Girl, but one of the things I liked about that show compared to Friends is that one of the friends does move away and they fall out of touch, and while it's not perfect, the later seasons definitely capture the feeling of people's lives changing as they grow from their late twenties to mid-thirties.
 
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I get this. In my late teens I really wanted to be living the bar scenes from how I met your mother with my friend group.
 

Brewm0nt

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Dec 22, 2017
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I mean, I get this. I have no real friends. I mean, I have people who I would still consider "friends" but its literally been years since I've seen some of them or talked to them. Like, one guy who was in my wedding (about 7 years ago) who I lived with for like 3 years about 15 years ago. We haven't "talked" in probably 3 or 4 years now. Probably around the last time I saw him. We sent each other Facebook messages a couple of times since. Twice last year in fact we had short chats on Messenger. But then he quit Facebook and nothing since. Don't actually have a phone number for him, though I could reach him if I really needed to. (I'm still in a Fantasy Football league with his brother who is also vaguely a friend but we were never as close) I do feel that if I saw them we'd snap right back to things though.

My main exceptions are my brother and my cousin, they are two people who I do have a "friend" relationship with and not just a family one and who I do maintain somewhat regular communication with, but even that's not easy. I mean, I saw them both last month when I was in my hometown, but even before the pandemic we don't see each other more than a few times a year (I live about 3.5 hours away by car) and its not uncommon to go a month or two without talking. I go home to visit family/friends a few times a year in normal times and I usually see the two of them when I do. How often do they come see me? Not often. I've lived here probably 10 years. My brother has come twice I think. Last time was about 4.5 years ago, just before I moved into my house. He saw it just after I closed before I had moved in. Hasn't been back since (and I have a guest room! well, I did, before work from home when it became my wife's office). My cousin has probably visited 10 times, about once a year on average. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes less. Most commonly when there's a comic-con in Chicago since I'm in the suburbs and we'll often both go.

It's hard to maintain relationships as adults. Finding the time, distance, other responsibilities. Doesn't mean you don't care about people.

This makes me feel like I'm odd.
I'm just about 34, and through all the relationships, and job changes, my friends have largely kept a nice balance between life and friends.

I have a friend from the 3rd grade who lives across the country (I'm in FL, he's in OR) and we text about gaming and whatever all the time. A few others that married each other live north of him in Seattle, and we're gonna go to a concert in September together.

Friends in my hometown in Orlando all have lives, some with wives, and we make plans at least once a month. Hell tomorrow, a few of us are having a guys day at the beach lol.

When I lived in the Midwest for 4 years, we always had these planned "guys days" where we did road trips, went to breweries, and the like when I came home to visit.

Now that I've moved back and we're all older we still find ways to come together. Is it easy? No, and it takes a lot of planning, but I think putting in the effort is what makes the difference.

One is married, one just bought a house with his gf, one has a kid, and we all have corporate jobs.

IDK, maybe I'm biased because I do a lot of the planning, but it's worth it to me. We've all known each other since junior high, playing in different bands together.
 

GamerJM

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Nov 8, 2017
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I've actually had more ease in maintaining friendships in post-college adulthood than during college, but I recognize that I'm not the norm and a lot of that had to do with my priorities during college vs. my priorities after college.
 

eyeball_kid

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I'm curious how friendships and the type of friendships stack up compared to other cultures where work is not a dominant part of one's life. I feel like friendships are lost and diminish in quality for Americans because we are beat into the ground by work responsibilities. Whereas countries like France and Italy tend to hold sacred "living life" and resist the American work obsession.
 

Septimus Prime

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Grey's Anatomy is a weird example, as they are friends because they are co-workers and see each other every day. Characters who leave the show are still mentioned fondly sometimes but aren't close with everyone like they used to be, and it feels pretty realistic to me.
 
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Maybe unrelated but I've disconnected from a number of old friends in our modern climate. Once they came out as trumpers or transphobic or anti-vaxxers, I just don't have enough time in my life to spend time or energy on people I frankly don't respect.

Sometimes I wonder if cutting them out was selfish of me and that I could have ignored our "political differences", but most of the time I'm just happy to not think about them anymore.

I feel like I have less friends than ever sometimes but the ones I do have I hold dear.
 

Coyote Starrk

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Oct 30, 2017
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Nobody should be basing any part of reality off of anything they see on TV or the internet.

Unless it's pornographic scenes those are obviously realistic.
 

Pilgrimzero

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Oct 27, 2017
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My 2 best friends: 1 I haven't talked to in a couple years. He just stopped being accessible. The other moved away and we chat a bit online but that's it.

Adulting gets in the way of a lot of shit
 

mbpm

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I'm curious how friendships and the type of friendships stack up compared to other cultures where work is not a dominant part of one's life. I feel like friendships are lost and diminish in quality for Americans because we are beat into the ground by work responsibilities. Whereas countries like France and Italy tend to hold sacred "living life" and resist the American work obsession.
That could be a point. Maybe modern Western life is just dysfunctional for relationships, and things weren't in fact, always like this.
 

julia crawford

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Nobody should be basing any part of reality off of anything they see on TV or the internet.

You should probably abandon this. It's just not how humans work. Humans can easily distinguish between fantastical representations if it's something they are familiar with, but when fiction approaches topics that the audience is not really knowledgeable about, the audience will inevitably gather that fiction and partially accept it as a possible truth about something they are unknowledgeable about. It's just how it is. Doesn't mean you're especially dumb or anything, just normal like the average human.

For example, movies about war, movies about life in other countries, Dan Brown novels, photos of places people haven't visited, etc etc.
 

bwahhhhh

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I get the article trying to reduce expectations for irl friends. But each generation is probably less dependent on friends than the previous one. Not that long ago, (100-200 years) you'd depend on your local villagers/neighbors to help you literally survive.

The FRIENDS were in their 20s and 2/3 of them knew each other from HS or college, in a pre-internet (for most people) era... like, it may be unrealistic today, I have no idea because I'm old now, but I don't think it was that crazy in the 90s. It's not a modern show.

Also, I'm pretty sure their relationship was the basis for the title, "FRIENDS". It was meant to be a tight knit group and not typical. Any more than Married with Children was meant to portray neighbors/family or Seinfeld was meant to portray daily life and friends. Most of us wish we had roommates as close as those in Three's Company, or even a landlord like Mr. Furley. Buildings are owned by just some faceless company, now.

That's not to say it's an unreasonable observation. Just that singling out Friends is. (And yes I know it's because Friends is a hot topic now)
 

Calabi

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I think this is an unfair comparison considering the characters in the media you've mentioned don't look like you. It's easier to disassociate from a smack talkin' turtle at the age of 13 than it is to disassociate from the successful artist that made it big in the Big City™ who looked like he could be someone's older brother from down the road.

Hell, my sister is in her mid-20's and she's only just finished detangling herself from the fact that the situations on TV are not reflective of one's life in any capacity. That stuff roots deeply into your subconscious when you're binging it at the age of 10 and influences what you think is possible in life.

It really is true these fantasies and fictions in media like romance movies and sitcoms they really do shape peoples lives and expectations. It can't help but effect you, its like people saying advertising doesn't effect them while going to buy that car they were't aware they saw in that advert. Its like a mirror that reflects and distorts the reality that it reflects. This is another problem to add to all the others we need to figure out if we're going to continue existing for much longer.
 

Seaweed

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maybe we should learn how to be accountable and not blame everything on products that we consume?

at some point, watching a sitcom should stay as entertainment. to make Friends a primary learning resource for viewing relationships and blame it on the show is shifting blame from yourself to the show.

it's about time people take a good look at themselves. if they have the energy to dissect any singular thing that is at the forefront of the cultural zeitgeist for a number of years, then they have that same energy to examine themselves. if a sitcom shapes and informs your real-life relationships then that's on you, not the show. you can't hold the show responsible for the decisions and outlook in your own life.

what this generation has become is the habit of removing accountability of one's self.
 

Dragon1893

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maintaining friendships as an adult is hard but far from impossible.
When you really connect with someone and there's a mutual commitment to cultivate that friendship you always manage to find the time, even when you're in your 40's like me.
I focus my time on the small group of friends I really connect with and can count on.
Having people that are absolutely always there for you is priceless.
One of them is literally like a sister to me, imagining my life without her doesn't even compute and I'm grateful for her every single day.
As you grow older you realize that the moments spent with those you care about the most are truly the only thing that matters. If you can't find the time for that then what's even the point?
 

Skyzar

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I get the feeling that the show Friends almost encouraged people to be more supportive to their friends tbh.
 

turbobrick

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I never got when people say adult friendships are hard to maintain, as I've never really felt that way. Though most of my close friends from high school didn't move out of state, which is probably why.
 

Lari

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I mean, my group of friends are way better than the "friends" from the show. So I really can't relate to the article at all.
 

Messofanego

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You should probably abandon this. It's just not how humans work. Humans can easily distinguish between fantastical representations if it's something they are familiar with, but when fiction approaches topics that the audience is not really knowledgeable about, the audience will inevitably gather that fiction and partially accept it as a possible truth about something they are unknowledgeable about. It's just how it is. Doesn't mean you're especially dumb or anything, just normal like the average human.

For example, movies about war, movies about life in other countries, Dan Brown novels, photos of places people haven't visited, etc etc.
This is a great point. When someone is ignorant to the topic or themes in media, they will likely take the media at face value and won't challenge what's being portrayed. Hence, how stereotypes are spread far and wide when they're perpetuated by media, and challenging voices are needed to change that inaccurate belief.
 

Zorg1000

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Even worse than the way sitcoms show adult friendships, is the way they show being a parent to young children.

A character being pregnant/having a baby is a major story line in so many sitcoms but a few episodes after the baby is born you would almost forget they existed.
 

Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
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I mean, sitcoms give an incorrect impression of literally every situation they portray. That's why they're sitcoms
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Tavernade

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I definitely had an unrealistic idea about how friendships worked growing up, probably based on TV (where else would I get the idea?). I was very surprised when my friends made new friends when away in college and didn't have much interest in the increasingly difficulty it took to stay in contact with me.

I will note that, in terms of adult friendships, in this age of Zoom and texting and online gaming and email and everything else, it feels like it should be REALLY hard to lose a strong friendship if both parties want it to continue. Even way back when I was in college my old friendships died because while I was willing to alter my schedule and make time for old friends, they often weren't willing to do the same for me. If someone moves away and both parties want that friendship to continue, there's plenty of ways to do so, it just sucks when it's one-sided.
 

jb1234

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Oct 25, 2017
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Even worse than the way sitcoms show adult friendships, is the way they show being a parent to young children.

A character being pregnant/having a baby is a major story line in so many sitcoms but a few episodes after the baby is born you would almost forget they existed.

Ironically, Friends is a show that actually did handle a baby (Rachel's) well.
 

sibarraz

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Oct 27, 2017
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In perspective is pretty wild to have 5 adult friends as permanent fixtures of your life for so long

Even some of the people I would call best friends I barely see them like 5 times a year