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‘Rise of Skywalker’ Editor Opens Up on Rushed Production, Agrees Film Is Fan Service
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I think people are just comparing the situation they're in not the talents
I still think that other than the director change, they are different situations. The time crunch situation for 9 could have been avoided if the writers didn't spend the first half of the movie undoing plot points from previous movies. They should have focused on closing the sequel trilogy instead of bringing back Palpatine and "closing the 9-film saga".
That Star Trek is awful for the simple fact it is everything Star Trek isn't.
It was a proto Star Wars reboot.
I'm not a huge fan of Kathleen and often find her really out of touch and almost dispassionate with Star Wars going by her interviews. However I'm puzzled why anyone would expect her to be sacked? Most movies she has produced have largely performed well haven't they at the box office?
Not sure whose idea Solo was ...
What's really fucking sad is that he started a production diary series when Hobbit 1 was being made and then it completely disappeared once the 2nd film started production. I think that was the point where they were started to struggle staying on schedule and it was made even worse by the third film when PJ was literally having to write scenes on the fly because production time was so truncated. He looked really happy when shooting the first film at least.
Depend on what you like about Star Trek. For me, I love the original series because at its heart it was about three very different friends. That's why I loved the first Abrams movie, cause it recaptured that. Beyond is the best of those three movies though.
Shit only went upside down when the demand for the third movie happened. That's what put them on an impossible schedule between the reshoots and the post production on the first and second movie going right down to the wire.
Wasn't Solo a deal that got Kasden to help with TFA.
Who knows about KK, she brought bank every time pretty much and Disney only cares about that. Maybe she will bow out on her own terms. Think she is getting put into the BAFTA hall of fame or whatever it is this year if that means anything.
Anybody can make money with
STAR WARS. She and the people working for her did a terrible job with this brand until now. How can you pi"" off so many people at once.
Somebody new needs to take over. Kennedy had her chance for far to long.
It is also the best reboot movie for me. Loved how they nailed Spock and Bones relationship.
Well that's kinda the point, the time crunch situation is what caused the writers to ham fist the plot together and be editing it together at the last minute to release. Disney tossed out all the work that was done and brought on JJ with very little preproduction time at all, having to get going right away. This could have been avoided if the trilogy had a clear plan going but it didn't and Disney bouncing around with directors and scripts didn't help anything but create a giant mess
What's the standard here? Failing to turn Star Wars into a Marvel sized cash cow?
Cause she's overseen multiple successful Star Wars movies. Multiple that had good audience responses. Multiple had good reviews. The only real mistake I can see is the director changes on Solo and on TROS (although most would disagree with me that it may have been better sticker with Treverow, espescially given how much ERA hates the guy).
The last Star Wars thing I watched that she was a producer (albeit an exec) on was the Mandalorian season finale, which was fantastic. If it's true that TROS was rushed to meet a release date, that's almost certainly a big part of the problem and that sounds more like a Disney thing than a Lucasfilm thing.
All these poor working people caught up in this badly managed product, now trying to explain their role so they hopefully have a job in the future.
I think what Lucasfilm really needs is a creative that controls the direction of the franchise. Whether its filoni, favreau or whomever. KK is a producer, she's not writing or directing these things.
She's fully capable of putting out movies, but there also needs to be some consistent creative direction of the franchise as a whole.
She's fully capable of putting out movies, but there also needs to be some consistent creative direction of the franchise as a whole.
I agree with this. Launch a SW film at Christmas and it will make a ton of cash whoever is in charge but have good leadership and the stories might actually make sense. The brand has taken a massive hit under her leadership and is kind of a meme at this point. At the end of the day the buck stops with her not the underlings.
Sort of. Solo was one of the movies Lucas had been toying around with (VII, a Boba Fett movie, and a Han Solo movie). To convince Kasdan to come on board, they gave him the Han Solo movie. It was always in the plan either way though.
The Boba Fett movie got canceled after the Trank debacle.
You can blame KK and Lucasfilm for it all, the buck stops at Disney who own them. They pushed for TFA early, so much so that nobody but JJ would touch it on that time frame and they even managed a delay, think how much worse it would have been and hell, Ford accident too forced their hand as well so it might have been even more rushed. It all stems from Disney rushing for money. Sure, there has been narrative, planning mistakes but how the dots connect with everything else, it's hard to tell other than they had no plan. What we do know is Disney rushed Star Wars once they got it and it set off a series of events. Dumping the EU then coming up with that shit in record time, well done.
Given the situation, I'd imagine they were similarly stressed out.
Peter Jackson looks a wreck for most of the Hobbit making of... such a shame...
I agree with this.
I didn't really have a problem with the breakneck pace, and the two levels of editing-- in scene, and scene-to-scene-- seemed fine. What was off was the story choices.
It's not the editor's fault, it's the director's fault (or if that reddit post is to be believed, the studio's fault), but the 'pacing and editing' are absolutely the biggest problems with the movie.... unless you've actually seen the script/until the script has been made public. Because I think it's reasonable to assume that the script was more fleshed out and had longer scenes between characters (especially if there were cuts that existed over 3 hours long), which would have allowed the movie to breathe much more -- it was just cut to the bone.
I say this because I can't believe the script was actually as thin as what we got on screen.
Who is saying that?
There's a difference between "let's put some fanservice in this scene here" to "let's list out the fanservice we want and then plot something between them all to connect them" which is what TRoS feels like
We should have known this was being rushed months ago when the posters were using photos of the toys with filters on them
I liked it, but I wouldn't have minded 12/2020. There's been so many sw films, the music with the opening crawl didn't really hype me this time.
That's like the one moment of using the frame to tell the story in the whole film.
This film truly was the Justice League of the Star Wars series, right down to the frantic editing to try and save the film.
And it was stupid as hell. My eyes rolled so hard at that moment.
True. I thought a lot of the action was well shot and edited as well. The whole of the Endor System sequence was pretty great except for random Evil Rey. Loved the fighting with waves crashing around. One of the few novel visuals in the whole movie.
You're right, there are handsome shots and scenes as well, but I honestly can't remember any of them because of the pacing.
You can service the fans by servicing the characters and you can go along with "history" without recreating the same film. Man that's a bad take.
Saying people didn't like Rian Johnson for inventing hyperspace jumps and force skype and other things for complicating and messing with the established universe is not the same thing as hating "change."
People like the EU, people like the side stories for the most part hell people are enjoying Mando and Fallen Order. It's really weird for everyone to echo this when all we've seen out of the new Trilogy is carbon copies of the original, and aside from a few tweaks, that included TLJ.
Fanservice is one thing, but just buckling down with your tail between your legs because TLJ was considered bad by many (including myself) that doesn't mean we go "Let's just remake shit again."
It's like no one ever reads "actual" feedback about media, and just goes with the loud minority and assumes they're bad. Audiences may not know what they want but that doesn't mean you can't get meaning out of it and adapt/change/edit/improve.
Agreed. He can direct for sure.
Like most creators they just need....editing. And without studio heads being the ones doing it mandating the changes usually.
But as the other person said I do agree that it kind of ruined Trek for lots of people. Like this new Star Wars Trilogy nothing "Feels" the same and it all kinda feels like the same shit.
That fight went on too long, it almost became comical due to its length.
I was posting in that other thread and as soon as I hit send it got closed lol. But basically you'd have to have the naivety of a toddler to believe Disney would cut off their billion dollar franchise nose to spite their one dollar competition face lol.
I wonder if we will see some really good fan edits that come out of this trilogy. There are a lot of great moments in this trilogy, maybe moving some stuff around could really fix some of the issues with the overall story arc and pacing.
Probably not when it was needed by. Movie like Star Wars also is heavily depending on merch sales, licensing agreements, marketing agreements, etc. The need to push the release date needed to happen a long time ago before the ball got rolling on all the cross selling.